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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Tobtorp said:
Ok so that's a really good theory here and we probably can even go a step further and presume when this happened. Disappearing a throng (which presumably has some runesmiths with them) is not a small thing, but when a grey lord sacrifices his physical self to become one with the forest then that would probably power the disappearing act...

Actually another question came up @Boney Presumably the grey lords disappeared the throng... And we already know that they don't throw anything away even if it's almost useless... How would one broach the topic of the return of the throng in whatever state it is in to be interred?
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Ideally, one wouldn't. Right now, the Phoenix Crown in a Karaz-a-Karak vault means the matter is settled. It'll stop being settled if you go out of your way to reopen that wound.

But if you really want to chainsaw open that can of worms, you'd just put it in a turn vote and leave the wording for Mathilde to figure out.
 
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Boney said:
Ideally, one wouldn't. Right now, the Phoenix Crown in a Karaz-a-Karak means the matter is settled. It'll stop being settled if you go out of your way to reopen that wound.

But if you really want to chainsaw open that can of worms, you'd just put it in a turn vote and leave the wording for Mathilde to figure out.
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Ahh, one of those things. Good to know. I just saw it as an easy way for the eonir to gain some favor with the dwarfs, as they aren't part of ulthuan anymore and as such have "officially" nothing to do with the Phoenix crown and it's former wearers.
As in "we aren't going to apologize for the old stuff, but we did think you would like the remains back to be interred with honor."
 
Tobtorp said:
Ahh, one of those things. Good to know. I just saw it as an easy way for the eonir to gain some favor with the dwarfs, as they aren't part of ulthuan anymore and as such have "officially" nothing to do with the Phoenix crown and it's former wearers.
As in "we aren't going to apologize for the old stuff, but we did think you would like the remains back to be interred with honor."
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If nobody from the elemental plane of inadvisable magical experiments has inadvisably magically experimented with any of the corpses or artefacts, that could potentially be the case.
 
Boney said:
If nobody from the elemental plane of inadvisable magical experiments has inadvisably magically experimented with any of the corpses or artefacts, that could potentially be the case.
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Are we sure it's the elemental plane of inadvisable magical experiments? Are we sure it's not a mystical plane? Or maybe a cardinal one?
 
Boney said:
The Dhar seems to unravel in the flames of what must be Qhaysh, torn into components too unstable to last for more than an instant before melting back into Dhar, but that instant is long enough to feed the flames that unravel even more Dhar. Though your Magesight can only catch a glimpse of the magics at work behind the blinding radiance of their effect on the world
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So we've now seen evidence that Dhar's vulnerability to self-propagating destruction isn't JUST a trick that only Dhar users can take advantage of. Maybe it's fundamentally something that only Quaysh and Dhar, pinnacle and nadir, are capable of. But maybe the other wind's can still approach the Second Secret of Dhar from a direction that doesn't involve direct Dhar manipulation.

Probably not though or else the Colleges would already be doing it, since they've definitely had access to the books that explain the Second Secret
 
Doing the second secret of dhar with a wind basically just ends up giving you a powerstone though, right?
 
Glau said:
Doing the second secret of dhar with a wind basically just ends up giving you a powerstone though, right?
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I don't think so?
Iirc the first secret is "here's how to weave Dhar so that all the instabilities push against each other and cancel out" while the second secret is "here's how to make the resulting construct go boom if you don't like whoever is using the first secret".

I don't see where one could make a powerstone here. The first secret only applies to Dhar because it exploits specific properties it has that the winds don't, and the second secret applies to spells using the first secret.
 
allmightytoaster said:
I don't think so?
Iirc the first secret is "here's how to weave Dhar so that all the instabilities push against each other and cancel out" while the second secret is "here's how to make the resulting construct go boom if you don't like whoever is using the first secret".

I don't see where one could make a powerstone here. The first secret only applies to Dhar because it exploits specific properties it has that the winds don't, and the second secret applies to spells using the first secret.
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oh no you activated my pedantry
picklepikkl said:
This is a common thread misconception, but:
Boney said:
Second Secret works on all Dhar constructs, not just First Secret ones.
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Here's a way to think of it: the First Secret exploits a particular property of Dhar to make it significantly more stable. The Second Secret exploits the same property in a different way to make it significantly more unstable. They are linked because if you know one of the Secrets deriving the other is trivial, not because the Second only works against the First.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'm talking about the other quest, but it was a continuation of the conversation about Grey Lords being from the "elemental plane of inadvisable magical experiments".

Honestly, it's going to be really hard to keep them separate in my head. If I come up with a really good joke about something that intersects both quests, which thread do I post it in?
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Both? Both seems good.
 
allmightytoaster said:
I don't think so?
Iirc the first secret is "here's how to weave Dhar so that all the instabilities push against each other and cancel out" while the second secret is "here's how to make the resulting construct go boom if you don't like whoever is using the first secret".
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You are right, I should have said First Secret. Making a power stone was described as weaving a thread of wind in on itself until it stayed solid and stopped moving, first secret was described as weaving dhar in on itself until the tension of wanting to explode held it all together in one place, like making a rope.
 
Hmmm, some thought experiments now that the airship seems to have settled into a victory. What kind of crew do we think it needs. At least some wizard, probably a sky inclined celestial who's going to love us just for the job opportunity. Then maybe a jade of the more weather focused side? ... A bright as gunnery captain?
Probably some real, sailors because ship will still be ship just weird?
 
Tobtorp said:
Hmmm, some thought experiments now that the airship seems to have settled into a victory. What kind of crew do we think it needs. At least some wizard, probably a sky inclined celestial who's going to love us just for the job opportunity. Then maybe a jade of the more weather focused side? ... A bright as gunnery captain?
Probably some real, sailors because ship will still be ship just weird?
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We did meet a elementally inclined Azyr wizard on the Dum expedition. I wonder if he would he interested in captaining a sky ship?
 
Depending on if the ship doesnt need a specific wind user, Adela might end up piloting the Ship for us as well
 
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