Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.

Then there's the moral arguments which are a complete non-starter given the fact we work with people eaters on a normal basis and yet again have known about the trafficking and influence peddling of the White Court for a deeply concerning length Of time at this point with no action on that front.

Then there's the idea that there's any supernaturally facing Force worth mentioning at the moment that isn't us or the white Council which is not true.
We have at the very least made an effort to defuse some portion of those people eaters as a threat to the general public. Still... Lara was foresighted and lucky to get that non-aggression pact out of us.

The question is how viable it is to defuse Marcone's organization the way she defused the Jade Dogs.
 
I don't think we are hurting for money, so cutting Marcone in can't be too bad maybe (other than spookimg mortal authorities)
In terms of money it would have us running a net positive. Functionally we would be the guy in Columbia with the cocaine plantations and manufacturing facilities while Marcone would be the smuggler and dealer side of the operation. We'd both make out like robber barons.

Money isn't the issue. We'd have lots of it. Its just that money in circulation is blood in the water and, even if the drugs are harmless, dirty shit will still likely go down as the sharks start to gorge. Diamonds never hurt anybody but, fucking hell, the blood diamond industry sure as anything has.

We just don't want something like that.
Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.
Its worrisome when you have fuckers like the White Court where eating people isn't even on the first page of the sins they have committed ranked by severity.
 
The question is how viable it is to defuse Marcone's organization the way she defused the Jade Dogs.
Exactly. There's also I don't think though I would have to go back anyone advocating for helping him become the freeholding Lord of Chicago. We want to drag him above board and make sure we keep his connections and muscle not let him become Lord of a state.

Essentially turn him to our Wills which considering if he views his Mafia as both a personal power phenomenon in a way of making Capital then we can very easily do by letting him manage his Mafia and giving him money.
Its worrisome when you have fuckers like the White Court where eating people isn't even on the first page of the sins they have committed ranked by severity.
Deeply very very deeply
 
Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.

Then there's the moral arguments which are a complete non-starter given the fact we work with people eaters on a normal basis and yet again have known about the trafficking and influence peddling of the White Court for a deeply concerning length Of time at this point with no action on that front.

Then there's the idea that there's any supernaturally facing Force worth mentioning at the moment that isn't us or the white Council which is not true.
Both of these are not true.

Taking out the White Courts is on the to do list, below the much more active and powerful Red Court. Red Court both does more harm to humans, has access to nukes, while also being at war with an allied faction.

We will deal with the White Court eventually, and have already done some stuff to weaken them. But it simple fact the White Court is a much smaller, and weaker faction then the Red Court, and rates less attention. We could go around killing high up in the White Court, we don't only because killing high up Red Courts is more useful.

Marcone is a mortal, a criminal and a fool. The time it takes Molly to crush him is worth the day it would take, if only because he is nearby, and we don't have to bother hunting him down.
 
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internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular
Okay I gotta say this, cause I was reading some of his post. You remember when we were doing negotiations with the Library earlier and the tax issue came up? Part of the issue described by BT is that different branches of gov have different priorities and not all of them know what's really going on. He was at least partially saying that doing things this way may create more issues since we could get on the appropriate branch's radar.

Also now that I'm thinking about this I have to ask, were you participating with the Quest part of the story back when we made the decision to do a treaty with the WC for now or did you join after?
 
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[X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
-[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
-[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him

[X] Write in
-[X] Because I need to deal with you somehow and we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Too be clear destroying your whole organization is the easy way.

[X] Write in
- [X] His and his employees' lives
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Dec 20, 2024 at 11:24 PM, finished with 52 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
    -[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
    -[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him
    [X] Plan Helping Each Other V2
    -[X] Explain Sanctuary, and what it represents, offer an excursion
    -[X] Cut him in on trade from Sanctuary
    --[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval after some trail testing on your part. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
    -[X] Offer non-monetary benefits, to himself and his organization as payment for keeping the population safe
    --[X] Fate manipulation for profit and allies (Splendors: Illuminated Connection, Lucky Money or Fortuitous Reprieve), assuming his organization can provide materials for the crafting required
    -[X] IDU empowerment to avoid being the mortal involved in the supernatural with no magical power of his own. Of course, he would not be safe, no one is once they step into the proverbial lion's den, but he would be safer and less likely to become an incidental victim or snack for something that goes bump in the night.
    --[X] Superhuman capabilities (IDU) to the few that can be trusted, so they can be safer when keeping others safe
    [X] Write in
    - [X] His and his employees' lives
    [X] Plan Just Pay The Man
    -[X] Gold platinum and other precious metals
    --[X] Ask him what his exchange rate on precious metals is and ask him how much he's making in actuality including both gross and actual profit from drugs.
    --[X] offer a flat rate of 1.25 times those real gains with room for negotiations depending on efficiency and efficacy of his men and his services.
    [X] Write in
    -[x] Because I need to deal with you somehow and we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Too be clear destroying your whole organization is the easy way.
    [x] Offer him IDU... don't talk about the costs.
    [X]Null
 
Also now that I'm thinking about this I have to ask, were you participating with the Quest part of the story back when we made the decision to do a treaty with the WC for now or did you join after?
[X]Plan Neighborly cookout
Business Arrangements
While I was lurking/ didn't have an account before that I was still kind of checking in irregularly but this is when I started following the story closely or update to update. So I was here when we did make the supposedly Temporary alliance with Lara.

Though I was no where near comfortable enough on a forum or just in general with the platform to post anything long form so I was mostly just voting for those early months.
Between you and the White Court, or your little sewer pack if you prefer, not to attack the interests of the White King specifically nor he yours. You get recognition I have a formal reason to command the elders not to meddle with you as long as you do not coerce any of the Court to your side, which you seem unlikely to do.
Which has no definitive duration and is acknowledged widely via their elders.
Looking first at Lydia then back at the expectant vampire regent you say with what you hope is disarming nonchalance: "Seems reasonable. Sure."
I don't know if people just forgot about the influence peddling which I was also here for it was a while before that Alliance but it's very real.
The White Court has always known the desires of the powerful and it has always known them, but long before the first far venturing fur trader had glimpsed the flash of the sun in the waters of Lake Michigan, before the first galleon made it across the Atlantic even they had learned not to put themselves too far forward. Powerful men often turn against lovers be they so carefully cultivated to suit them, resentful, suspicious. And so the incubus, the succubus had taken a step back for the most part, becoming purveyors of vice at one remove, a web of brothels and escort services, health spas and massage parlors, designed not to appear to the public at large but to the elite, particularly the political elite, though some of those files also include the military, high finance and, most distastefully, religious reasons. Most of the people being used this way are in some way beholden to their 'benefactors', whether they are in the country illegally or had some other reason to leave their old lives behind. Hooks behind hooks....

There is not a shred of doubt in your mind that the dirt in those files and now in your head is enough to start a dozen sex scandals and it would be more if you had some of the pictures and documents rather than just knowing they exist.

Among all the flurry of secrets the name of one of the folder hints at what Agent Greene was planning to do with it. 'October Surprise'. Maybe if you had not just been bombarded with the names of influential politicians you would have missed the context, but not now. She was planning to set it all off just before the elections this November.

I could almost admire... no, you do admire Agent Greene's guts. If only she weren't the sort of person who had been content to work with the Raiths before she came to believe they had killed her husband.
 
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If the issue is that we are dealing with people eaters, then the solution isn't to deal with nore people eaters. We should instead be spending actions to reform the white court subtly and overtly as needed. Spend a week designing a emotional energy gatherer device for the vampires. Then slowly shift them out of that shit.
 
While I was lurking/ didn't have an account before that I was still kind of checking in irregularly but this is when I started following the story closely or update to update. So I was here when we did make the supposedly Temporary alliance with Lara.

Though I was knowing you're comfortable enough on a forum or just in general with the platform to like post anything long form so I was mostly just voting for those early months.
Well yeah. Why wouldn't it be temporary. Nobody here likes the White Court.😂

I don't know if people just forgot about the influence peddling which I was also here for it was a while before that Alliance but it's very real.
What do you mean by "influence peddling"?

Edit: also I've not the slightest clue why you took the time to pull those quotes.
 
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The use of position or political influence on someone's behalf in exchange for money or Favors.
becoming purveyors of vice at one remove, a web of brothels and escort services, health spas and massage parlors, designed not to appear to the public at large but to the elite, particularly the political elite, though some of those files also include the military, high finance and, most distastefully, religious reasons. Most of the people being used this way are in some way beholden to their 'benefactors'
They through hook or by crook indenture military High Finance or political figures to their Wills.

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also I've not the slightest clue why you took the time to pull those quotes.
Those are mostly for me to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass.

It'd be really embarrassing if I said I was here and then it turns out I wasn't when I can just easily avoid it by having evidence to the contrary and knowing for sure

Same goes for everything I say about the white court and our relationship with them and the morality of our relationship with them.
 
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They through hook or by crook indenture military High Finance or political figures to their Wills.
Oh that. Yeah that's White Court 101. Everyone here should be cognizant of that already. The books made that very clear when Lara called up a Navy helicopter.

Same goes for everything I say about the white court and our relationship with them and the morality of our relationship with them.
Well morality wasn't the reasoning for it. It was a practically issue.
 
Well morality wasn't the reasoning for it. It was a practically issue.
Yeah but the practicality of the issue is tied up in the general consideration. BronzeTongue is making an argument that is predicated on people being more concerned or rather having more of a problem with us dealing with Marcone then the White Court.

While they are also arguing the practicality of a federal agency a non-enforcement agency at that having a voice in Chicago the center of the most powerful source federal government corruption. There is no practical overlap never mind the fact that the Library of Congress has nothing. All of them work for the federal government which is riddled with the hooks of the White Court.

It's deeply internally inconsistent arguing that people that we would be protecting or helping by working with Marcone would be put off by that relationship even though we are in a known relationship with the white Court as a whole while also shepherding/commanding a new type of vampire, white vampires and ghouls.

Then they further conflate the point by saying the government would somehow be aware of our relationship as if we or Marcone are going to advertise it in any particular way as if they are somehow omniscient when everything we've seen so far it seems to suggest they are somehow even more myopic than the person on the street.

They keep trying to paint it as a delicate situation when the reality is we're standing in a flaming field how we choose to go about putting out individual Flames is entirely up to us whether we stomp some out via our own feet or rig up some kind of apparatus to turn Earth over on other Flames it doesn't matter as long as the Flames get put out.
 
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Yeah but the practicality of the issue is tied up in the general consideration. BronzeTongue is making an argument that is predicated on people being more concerned or rather having more of a problem with us dealing with Marcone then the White Court
Your getting part of what he was saying confused and repeating yourself.

First there is this.

Okay I gotta say this, cause I was reading some of his post. You remember when we were doing negotiations with the Library earlier and the tax issue came up? Part of the issue described by BT is that different branches of gov have different priorities and not all of them know what's really going on. He was at least partially saying that doing things this way may create more issues since we could get on the appropriate branch's radar.

Yes some people like the FBI that are after Marcone, may be more concerned about the mobster than the monsters. If you don't know that the monsters exist and it's your job to take care of people like Marcone then yeah.

All of them work for the federal government which is riddled with the hooks of the White Court.
How much influence they actually have is unknown. The gov is not a vague blob. It's split up into branches. Some of them aware of Whampires and some of them not. The people at the very top are obviously aware of Whampires or Daedalus/The Library wouldn't exist as they do.

Then they further conflate the point by saying the government would somehow be aware of our relationship as if we or Marcone are going to advertise it in any particular way as if they are somehow omniscient when everything we've seen so far it seems to suggest they are somehow even more myopic than the person on the street.
They don't have to be omniscient. The FBI is already trying to arrest Marcone. If say one of his people get interrogated and spill they could end up hearing of his new supplier, Molly.
 
[X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
-[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
-[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him
 
Also changing my vote. I decided that I don't want to give Marcone's people IDU.

If he goes Denarian let's just kill him.

[X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
-[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
-[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him
 
Yes some people like the FBI that are after Marcone, may be more concerned about the mobster than the monsters. If you don't know that the monsters exist and it's your job to take care of people like Marcone then yeah.
They don't have to be omniscient. The FBI is already trying to arrest Marcone. If say one of his people get interrogated and spill they could end up hearing of his new supplier, Molly.
His new supplier of what under that Paradigm how hasn't he been caught already. That's why the argument doesn't make any sense if his lieutenants are ratting that easily both sources and suppliers he would have been caught already.

I feel like this cannot be understated he has been the crime Lord of Chicago for at minimum 10 years now in this quest in Canon it's even longer than that by this point he's going on 20 years.

This doesn't feel like a threat because it's not a threat. The fact that it's known both in character and out that the FBI is trying to get him and they haven't got him yet means it's a complete Al Capone situation and they're only going to be able to get him at all on a minor charge which as long as he is careful they won't get him for especially as he now has outright Supernatural assistance forgive me if I don't believe the FBI stands even a ghost of a chance.

As it stands they are more likely to end up destroying their own investigation via Daedalus than they do of actually catching him.
How much influence they actually have is unknown. The gov is not a vague blob. It's split up into branches. Some of them aware of Whampires and some of them not. The people at the very top are obviously aware of Whampires or Daedalus/The Library wouldn't exist as they do.
The knowledge of whether or not they are supernaturals/ vampires doesn't actually matter for this instance they just have to know they have a benefactor that has info that they don't want out but outside of that. The government is not a vague blob but it does have hierarchies and easily followable chains of command and having people in high places can easily kill or very least indefinitely delay most judicial and executive actions
You remember when we were doing negotiations with the Library earlier and the tax issue came up? Part of the issue described by BT is that different branches of gov have different priorities and not all of them know what's really going on. He was at least partially saying that doing things this way may create more issues since we could get on the appropriate branch's radar.
This is what I was focusing on the different branches of government have completely different ideas of what is important and what is not are temporary contact with Marcone even if it does result in backing him in any particular way has no ability to get back to the branches of government unless we are going to publicize it or Marcone is.

That's why I said omniscient. We possess no earth side infrastructure to provide him anything we possess no recorded resources to provide him anything we possess nothing mundanely to provide him anything worth mentioning other than cash which considering he's a mob boss and we're a small business owner it might just be seen as we are paying protection.

Under even the heaviest level of scrutiny there's no real way to definitively tie us to Marcone even if we literally directly back him because most of our ability to do so comes from Supernatural sources.

By all reasonable metrics the government or the enforcement agencies or whoever is investigating us would need to be omniscient to be able to actually create any level of connection between us and Marcone unless we are going to publicize our connection or otherwise meet with him on the regular which I do not believe to be the plan.
 
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Interdimensional smuggling and the raising of alien fauna on US soil is also illegal

This made me smirk. Because if there are laws that actually mention interdimensional smuggling and ACTUAL alien fauna/flora, then I salute the US lawmakers for being more thorough then I ever guessed.

Now, would they add that to close those loopholes? Quicker then you can blink! Unless you can show that the US is getting their part of the cake via IRS.
 
His new supplier of what under that Paradigm how hasn't he been caught already. That's why the argument doesn't make any sense if his lieutenants are ratting that easily both sources and suppliers he would have been caught already.
Your being kinda weird about this. It's not impossible that one of his men could be interrogated into spilling a name. That isn't enough proof to have anyone thrown in jail either but it's a lead that gets us involved in things we don't want to be.

The knowledge of whether or not they are supernaturals/ vampires doesn't actually matter for this instance they just have to know they have a benefactor that has info that they don't want out but outside of that. The government is not a vague blob but it does have hierarchies and easily followable chains of command and having people in high places can easily kill or very least indefinitely delay most judicial and executive actions
Unless you have a list somewhere detailing who commands the Library of Congress and whether or not the White Court can interfere with that this is just fear mongering until further notice. The entirety of the gov isn't subverted even if we have reason to believe that it's probably pretty bad.

Under even the heaviest level of scrutiny there's no real way to definitively tie us to Marcone even if we literally directly back him because most of our ability to do so comes from Supernatural sources
Um no. That depends solely on what we are giving him and how many people under Marcone are aware that we are the supplier. If we give him magic drugs that can't be found anywhere on earth people are going to notice and start asking questions. Again the FBI are already interested in Chicago.
 
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Are you suggesting that the white court all collectively double crossed us? Because the nature of the announcement was the peace offering we got to placate us for the violation of our agreement.

The only way we're specifically connected to the event is by information that leaked through the channels which had that story in them. Unless you've got better direct observation, in which case you're probably more clued in and not less
I am saying that by the time information reaches a random uninvolved supernaturally aware person on the street, it'll be horribly distorted. It has to pass through the chain that goes something like that: White Court members who were present there (high ranking political figures) - White Court who weren't there - White Court auxiliaries that may have mortal friends or who drink at McAnally's and have a loose tongue - mortals who are friends with White Court auxiliaries or also drink at McAnally's - indeterminate amount of mortals. The information a random supernaturally aware mortal on the street won't be accurate.
If they're expansive and successful at usurping governmental control they are to the government.
If we are switching to talking about the government, our association with and help to White Council, as well as creation of Paranet, are greater threats. Because White Council is an international secret society murder cult with centuries of history, and firepower that Marcone cannot dream of. They are, essentially, a terrorist organization with multiple nuclear weapons. In terms of threat to legitimacy of government, they are worse than Marcone by far.
Say you run the task force on Marcone. What is your response to what a mundane investigator sees of this unfolding?
Oh, that's actually an interesting question. It would depend on what part of the taskforce I am.

If I am part of the drug trafficking (assuming medicine peddling wins), I'll notice that the operations a) shifted to some sort of new drug, and b) to a new target audience - sick people, probably terminally sick ones. First reaction will be "damn that Marcone, he sunk to a new low". I'll try to obtain some samples for analysis, to see what sort of sh*t they are peddling. There the things will start getting weird. Because:
a) my lab boys will be telling me that they have no idea what the sh*t I am giving them is, but it sure as hell hasn't been cooked in a meth lab in an abandoned warehouse somewhere, and whoever cooked it is a genius
b) the people I suspect / know to be buyers of the new stuff will start to get better. The weird stuff Marcone is peddling will turn out to be working.

From there, it's a straight path to discovering supernatural.

I am unsure what conclusions will be drawn and I am not objective enough to judge.
See I would agree with all those things except the White Court still exists. Just flat out we've known that the White Court are prolific and extreme sex traffickers and influence pushers for a very long time now. I think we knew before we even met the archive for the first time before we even got involved with the white Council business as a whole.

This is before the whole broken Seeker Fiasco to begin with as well. If there was a time to be concerned with real morality of action it was when we learned that fact about the White Court that was months ago in quest and years ago in real life which at the time a very vocal couple along with one of the vote leaders Uju32 wanted and apparently still wants nothing to do with the real world. We have so far passed the point where morality is actually an actionable point of concern.
Basically this. We have so far:
1) Decided to suppress evidence of long-standing international sex (and slave) trading operation that has massive amounts of blackmail on large parts of the USA government and would have broken it.
2) Decided to part amicably with a spirit of torture and mental corruption whose modus operandi includes creation of murder cults out of random passerbies
3) Agreed to work with shikome on redeaming a Yama King
4) Have chosen to save an aztec god, who likely indulged in multiple human sacrifices over centuries
5) Worked around amicably with a f*cking mongol raider vampire straight from Genghis Khan's horde.

Marcone is far more mundane, but on the scale of evil he doesn't compare.
[X] Plan Just Pay The Man
This was shot down in the text:
You are not sure what the gross revenue of a criminal empire is, but you have little doubt that you could cover it. Unfortunately you are just as sure Marcone would refuse outright. He's asking for support in the name of mutual benefit not offering his vassalage, after all he hardly knows you.
 
1) Decided to suppress evidence of long-standing international sex (and slave) trading operation that has massive amounts of blackmail on large parts of the USA government and would have broken it.
2) Decided to part amicably with a spirit of torture and mental corruption whose modus operandi includes creation of murder cults out of random passerbies
3) Agreed to work with shikome on redeaming a Yama King
4) Have chosen to save an aztec god, who likely indulged in multiple human sacrifices over centuries
5) Worked around amicably with a f*cking mongol raider vampire straight from Genghis Khan's horde.

Marcone is far more mundane, but on the scale of evil he doesn't compare.
Just be aware that not all branches of the gov are aware of the supernatural so these bits wouldn't matter in their case. The mobster would be a higher priority in their eyes because they aren't aware of anything else.
 
Just be aware that not all branches of the gov are aware of the supernatural so these bits wouldn't matter in their case. The mobster would be a higher priority in their eyes because they aren't aware of anything else.
To a completely mundane parts of the government I would expect our association to either go unnoticed, or to be either lumped with his association with Monoc Securities, or of less concern than our association with Monoc Securities - an international mercenary outfit with government security contracts. Remember the armored vehicles we designed for them? I remember:
The workshop thankfully is filled with lathes and presses, steel bars and brass cartridges, spools of many colored cables, bright green circuit boards and more. No one bats an eye when you ask if they can lower the temperature below freezing point. Dumping some anti-freeze on your head does raise a few more eyebrows, but by then you are clearing every mortal mechanic out of the place so the fey can help so what does it matter?

Thankfully between your cybernetic assistants and Monoc's unusually good access to US government network you can find everything you need in regards to hardened communication systems and Nightvision, IR and radar systems, acoustic shot, laser,radar and missile warning detectors. IED jammers, laser dazzlers, roof-mounted smoke grenade launchers and hardkill anti-RPG lasers...

"Would you believe we have good hackers?" Marzhan asks about as convincingly as you at four AM trying to convince your mom you were late because of traffic.

"Is that like a computer wizard?" you ask wide eyed. This level of access is either a massive security breach of the sort they would not be letting outside contractors in on or it is their normal level of access.

The valkyrie concedes the absurdity of that notion with a tip of her elegantly pointed chin.

"Are you planning to sell these designs back to the government?" Belatedly it occurs to you that this stuff could be very valuable even without the alchemical tweaks especially because you were using already existant armored vehicle designs which could be upgraded. Of course there is the fact that you do not have the connections to sell military schematics to Uncle Sam, but you might some day.

"When the designs prove themselves probably," Marzhan admits.
The more you think of all the bombs, all the hand-grenades you have to keep in the air the less sense it makes to be fussed about 'intellectual property' over your improvements to stolen schematics. "Just don't tell your contacts about the alchemy. I don't want to be responsible for the US invading Peru over rock-salt," you say half seriously. You do not watch the news that often, but you know what acronym the Pentagon wanted to avoid when they didn't call the start of the Iraq War back in 2003 Operation Iraqi Liberation.

"Our word is our bond, thus you have both," Alina replies for the two of them.
And Monoc Securities is very visibly providing security to Marcone and does jobs for him.

I expect that in order to uncover and in the process of investigating our association with Marcone, government agents will be exposed to supernatural stuff, and at that point, Marcone will stop being their greatest concern.
 
To a completely mundane parts of the government I would expect our association to either go unnoticed, or to be either lumped with his association with Monoc Securities, or of less concern than our association with Monoc Securities - an international mercenary outfit with government security contracts. Remember the armored vehicles we designed for them? I remember:
Why would it go unnoticed? If we start selling a new drug(s) on the market the people who pay attention to such things are going to notice. If the wrong person gets interrogated or some such and Molly's name gets out we then become a person of interest.

Yes I remember that but it's not relevant at all? We didn't sign our name on those vehicles you know.
 
Um no. That depends solely on what we are giving him and how many people under Marcone are aware that we are the supplier. If we give him magic drugs that can't be found anywhere on earth people are going to notice and start asking questions. Again the FBI are already interested in Chicago
Even if they ask questions where is the connection to us. Literally how is a mundane organization going to connected to us Daedalus for all intents and purposes is a mundane organization that is why I said omniscience is needed because yet again the Library of Congress is not an enforcement agency no matter how much bronze tries to say they are. The second they had actual intelligence towards enforcement they were compelled to tell the FBI and the FBI sent in their completely no oversight ignorant subdivision Daedalus who immediately nearly fucked everything up.

Daedalus and the FBI as a whole dislike sharing information so we are left with how does the FBI tie this foreign because they're not going to immediately assume magic because their magic handling division doesn't believe in magic, drugs to us which they can't because there's no earth side infrastructure to suggest that we could locate, transport or produce any of the goods ourselves and the one thing we do produce is diamonds.
 
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Even if they ask questions where is the connection to us. Literally how is a mundane organization going to connected to us Daedalus for all intents and purposes is a mundane organization that is why I said omniscience is needed because yet again the Library of Congress is not an enforcement agency no matter how much bronze tries to say they are. The second they had actual intelligence towards enforcement they were compelled to tell the FBI and the FBI sent in their completely no oversight ignorant subdivision Daedalus who immediately nearly fucked everything up.

Daedalus and the FBI as a whole dislike sharing information so we are left with how does the FBI tie this foreign because they're not going to immediately assume magic because their magic handling division doesn't believe in magic, drugs to us which they can't because there's no earth side infrastructure to suggest that we could locate, transport or produce any of the goods ourselves and the one thing we do produce is diamonds.
Our name? The proposed scenario is if they interrogate people over the new magic (or however they rationalize it) drugs on the black market and get our name.
 
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