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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Degorium said:
Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.

Then there's the moral arguments which are a complete non-starter given the fact we work with people eaters on a normal basis and yet again have known about the trafficking and influence peddling of the White Court for a deeply concerning length Of time at this point with no action on that front.

Then there's the idea that there's any supernaturally facing Force worth mentioning at the moment that isn't us or the white Council which is not true.
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We have at the very least made an effort to defuse some portion of those people eaters as a threat to the general public. Still... Lara was foresighted and lucky to get that non-aggression pact out of us.

The question is how viable it is to defuse Marcone's organization the way she defused the Jade Dogs.
 
Alioth said:
I don't think we are hurting for money, so cutting Marcone in can't be too bad maybe (other than spookimg mortal authorities)
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In terms of money it would have us running a net positive. Functionally we would be the guy in Columbia with the cocaine plantations and manufacturing facilities while Marcone would be the smuggler and dealer side of the operation. We'd both make out like robber barons.

Money isn't the issue. We'd have lots of it. Its just that money in circulation is blood in the water and, even if the drugs are harmless, dirty shit will still likely go down as the sharks start to gorge. Diamonds never hurt anybody but, fucking hell, the blood diamond industry sure as anything has.

We just don't want something like that.
Degorium said:
Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.
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Its worrisome when you have fuckers like the White Court where eating people isn't even on the first page of the sins they have committed ranked by severity.
 
OctarineShrike said:
The question is how viable it is to defuse Marcone's organization the way she defused the Jade Dogs.
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Exactly. There's also I don't think though I would have to go back anyone advocating for helping him become the freeholding Lord of Chicago. We want to drag him above board and make sure we keep his connections and muscle not let him become Lord of a state.

Essentially turn him to our Wills which considering if he views his Mafia as both a personal power phenomenon in a way of making Capital then we can very easily do by letting him manage his Mafia and giving him money.
Modus_Tollens said:
Its worrisome when you have fuckers like the White Court where eating people isn't even on the first page of the sins they have committed ranked by severity.
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Deeply very very deeply
 
Degorium said:
Except no one's predicating any of this on gangster with a heart of gold it's just the Practical reality of the fact that bronzetongue's position is internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular.

Then there's the moral arguments which are a complete non-starter given the fact we work with people eaters on a normal basis and yet again have known about the trafficking and influence peddling of the White Court for a deeply concerning length Of time at this point with no action on that front.

Then there's the idea that there's any supernaturally facing Force worth mentioning at the moment that isn't us or the white Council which is not true.
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Both of these are not true.

Taking out the White Courts is on the to do list, below the much more active and powerful Red Court. Red Court both does more harm to humans, has access to nukes, while also being at war with an allied faction.

We will deal with the White Court eventually, and have already done some stuff to weaken them. But it simple fact the White Court is a much smaller, and weaker faction then the Red Court, and rates less attention. We could go around killing high up in the White Court, we don't only because killing high up Red Courts is more useful.

Marcone is a mortal, a criminal and a fool. The time it takes Molly to crush him is worth the day it would take, if only because he is nearby, and we don't have to bother hunting him down.
 
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Degorium said:
internally deeply inconsistent and predicated on anyone caring more about us dealing with human Mobsters rather than the people eaters that we deal with on the regular
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Okay I gotta say this, cause I was reading some of his post. You remember when we were doing negotiations with the Library earlier and the tax issue came up? Part of the issue described by BT is that different branches of gov have different priorities and not all of them know what's really going on. He was at least partially saying that doing things this way may create more issues since we could get on the appropriate branch's radar.

Also now that I'm thinking about this I have to ask, were you participating with the Quest part of the story back when we made the decision to do a treaty with the WC for now or did you join after?
 
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[X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
-[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
-[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him

[X] Write in
-[X] Because I need to deal with you somehow and we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Too be clear destroying your whole organization is the easy way.

[X] Write in
- [X] His and his employees' lives
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Dec 20, 2024 at 11:24 PM, finished with 52 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Cut him in on technology trade from Sanctuary
    -[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
    -[X] Explain the Sanctuary to him
    [X] Plan Helping Each Other V2
    -[X] Explain Sanctuary, and what it represents, offer an excursion
    -[X] Cut him in on trade from Sanctuary
    --[X] Medicines and treatments that don't have FDA approval after some trail testing on your part. It's drug trade, but the drugs will actually save lives
    -[X] Offer non-monetary benefits, to himself and his organization as payment for keeping the population safe
    --[X] Fate manipulation for profit and allies (Splendors: Illuminated Connection, Lucky Money or Fortuitous Reprieve), assuming his organization can provide materials for the crafting required
    -[X] IDU empowerment to avoid being the mortal involved in the supernatural with no magical power of his own. Of course, he would not be safe, no one is once they step into the proverbial lion's den, but he would be safer and less likely to become an incidental victim or snack for something that goes bump in the night.
    --[X] Superhuman capabilities (IDU) to the few that can be trusted, so they can be safer when keeping others safe
    [X] Write in
    - [X] His and his employees' lives
    [X] Plan Just Pay The Man
    -[X] Gold platinum and other precious metals
    --[X] Ask him what his exchange rate on precious metals is and ask him how much he's making in actuality including both gross and actual profit from drugs.
    --[X] offer a flat rate of 1.25 times those real gains with room for negotiations depending on efficiency and efficacy of his men and his services.
    [X] Write in
    -[x] Because I need to deal with you somehow and we can do this the easy way or the hard way. Too be clear destroying your whole organization is the easy way.
    [x] Offer him IDU... don't talk about the costs.
    [X]Null
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