Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

"So let me get this straight. The plan is to go down to a ghoul infested area and literally not figuratively ring the dinner bell?"

You consider Lydia's question for a moment then shug "basically"

"Cool just wanted to be clear."
 
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It is but the problem if your tools can only be so large, they are tools not a factory. For the same reason you will need actual food to cook and water to boil you will also produce the appropriate among of waste heat/smoke/steam and if you are planning to feed ghouls... yeah that is not a little waste products.
IDK, should be well within filtration capabilities of TTC, given the relatively simplicities of basic principles and wonders of miniaturization shown so far.

That said, Yog or Uju can discuss technical details for its own sake, if they want to - I am really not up to effortposting about how to hide things we don't actually want to hide. :V
 
Spoiler: Transcendent Lord of Flies ● Wheresoever there is neither hope nor respite, there the Infernal marks herself at home.
The flavor text for TLoF seems unusually fitting for this situation.

System: The Infernal needs never make a Survival roll to remain safe, comfortable, and fed in hostile, barren environments such as deserts, tundra, or areas of urban blight. The difficulty to feed and protect others in such environments is reduced by three (minimum of 3). By
spending 1 Essence, she becomes completely immune to environmental damage for the rest of the scene.

It doesn't even say protection against environmental threats just protect. So if the Ghouls attack Lydia or Mouse we get a total of minus 4 difficulty on our rolls to protect them. Molly really is at home in undertown. Almost as at home as she is in a prison cell.
 
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One of the major issues of cooking in undertown would be less the water, which can be filtered and boiled out of what is already down there and more getting rid of the waste heat, steam and smoke. TTC can do a lot but not make physical byproducts of that kind of wide scale cooking go away, so you are going to have some parts of the underground spewing smoke and/or steam which might well draw attention.
Fumehood + compressor to push it into scuba tanks to be released later. Or even into a cooling system to turn steam and smoke into water and dust
 
The flavor text for TLoF seems unusually fitting for this situation.

System: The Infernal needs never make a Survival roll to remain safe, comfortable, and fed in hostile, barren environments such as deserts, tundra, or areas of urban blight. The difficulty to feed and protect others in such environments is reduced by three (minimum of 3). By
spending 1 Essence, she becomes completely immune to environmental damage for the rest of the scene.

It doesn't even say protection against environmental threats just protect. So if the Ghouls attack Lydia or Mouse we get a total of minus 4 difficulty on our rolls to protect them. Molly really is at home in undertown. Almost as at home as she is in a prison cell.
So if we tried to feed and protect others while imprisoned in a barren and hostile place we would get a net -6 difficulty to all actions?

Holy fuck.
 
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So if we tried to feed and protect others while imprisoned in a barren and hostile place we would get a net -6 difficulty to all actions?

Holy fuck.
Too bad we aren't faced with the opportunity for a magic sub ride now; with that and BSM we could be rocking a -7 difficulty modifier in any fight where we used Lydia as bait since the places evil Bob would go probably wouldn't be very nice.

… Which might put some strain on our social skills, but that's what excellencies are for. :V

Lydia: "At first I thought this red armor looked nice, but I'm starting to think you're laughing at me somehow"

Molly: "Remind me to tell Daniel to show you Star Trek when we get home"
 
The only difference between the two leaders seems to be triggering TLF. If TLF can be triggered outside of undertown so long as we are cooking for the purpose of feeding people in undertown then there should be no different between the two at all.
The difference between triggering TLF and not triggering it is quite big, tbh. -3 Difficulty is a loooooot.
You do cooking at home, you get to soak in bleach for Essence regen before coming here.
You do it down here, you start down at least -2 Essence from Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency.
Thats a material difference to consider.

One of the major issues of cooking in undertown would be less the water, which can be filtered and boiled out of what is already down there and more getting rid of the waste heat, steam and smoke. TTC can do a lot but not make physical byproducts of that kind of wide scale cooking go away, so you are going to have some parts of the underground spewing smoke and/or steam which might well draw attention. That said this is not entirely a bad thing as Molly does want to draw in all her potential minions.

Really it depends on how subtle you want to be vs how challenging. I do not think I am surprising anyone to say you will probably face combat from the more territorial beings down there, not least because one of the best ways to avoid social combat (in which DPE gives Molly a hell of an advantage) is to pay the willpower to ignore it and then try your luck in combat.
Im surprised there's that much water available in the train station with no plumbing.
But fair enough.

Yeah, Im expecting someone very strong willed or deranged or drugged or whammied to Join Battle.
The world is full of fools who will test us.
Which is an argument for not spending Essence on food preparation down here, just in case we have to get in a fight.

Better to do it at home, take a bleach bath and come here rested.
It is but the problem if your tools can only be so large, they are tools not a factory. For the same reason you will need actual food to cook and water to boil you will also produce the appropriate among of waste heat/smoke/steam and if you are planning to feed ghouls... yeah that is not a little waste products.
Yeah, even with Mouse and Lydia there, I'd prefer not to be distracted with food prep down here.
Not on our first trip.

After we have at least established initial relations, I'd be willing to cook down here if we have water and waste disposal.
But doing so now with no bona fides, no arrangements and no time for our reputation to get around is just calling for unnecessary violence from desperate people who dont know any better.

And while I'm not averse to shanking fools, I dont think its healthy for Molly to just beatdown on the desperate and the mentally ill. Especially given as her personal weapons deal Agg. Its like walking into a poor, high crime neighborhood incognito while wearing expensive furs and dripping with gold and jewels.

You're just trolling for an excuse to Stand Your Ground at that point.
IDK, should be well within filtration capabilities of TTC, given the relatively simplicities of basic principles and wonders of miniaturization shown so far. That said, Yog or Uju can discuss technical details for its own sake, if they want to - I am really not up to effortposting about how to hide things we don't actually want to hide. :V
-I guess it might be a conceptual thing. Cooking is generally meant to put out the aromas of preparing food.
Industrial processes, as much as possible, are not.

-Hey I already did as much math as I willing to do on a Monday.
:V
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 12, 2022 at 6:37 PM, finished with 106 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X]Plan Fishing
    -[X]Go grocery shopping with a thousand dollars
    -[X]Do some cooking at home in the outdoor workshop with Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency
    -[X]Bring Lydia and borrow Mouse's services. Borrow Michael's truck. Bring a batterypowered cassette/CD player with speakers
    -[X]Move the products of your work to the Last Station
    -[X]Empty a bottle of water on your head to cool yourself down, and activate BSM
    --[X]STUNT: "You owe me," Lydia grumbles for the umpteenth time as she helps you move the contents of your dad's truckbed. Mouse makes no comment, but you can almost hear his amusement as he listens to the two of you haul the last few containers of food towards the borders of the Last Station, but his eyes remain fixed on the darkness beyond. Finally you're done and she collapses into a camping chair with a theatrical sigh. You open one cooler slightly ajar, letting its smells waft down into the tunnels beyond. Then you turn on the boombox you brought with you, turn up the volume so it echoes down the tunnels, and settle down to wait.
    [X]Plan Neighborly cookout
    -[X]Go grocery shopping with a thousand dollars. Also buy clean water, about a two hundred liters would do.
    -[X]Bring Lydia and borrow Mouse's services. Borrow Michael's truck. Bring a batterypowered cassette/CD player with speakers
    -[X]Move the groceries to the Last Station. Use TTC to make a powered cart
    -[X]Periodically dump water on your head to keep BSM active
    -[X]Cook with Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency, aiming to feed the inhabitants of the area (trigger TLF)
    -[X] Use leadership and empathy excellency to prevent those attracted by the food from running away when noticing you
    --[X]STUNT: "You owe me," Lydia grumbles for the umpteenth time as she helps you move the contents of your dad's truckbed. Mouse makes no comment, but you can almost hear his amusement as he listens to the two of you haul the last few containers of food towards the borders of the Last Station, but his eyes remain fixed on the darkness beyond. "Yeah, I do. Still, you'll get a show out of this at least?" you reply, as green flame unfurls from around you, manifesting something in between laboratory and cooking equipment. The sounds and smells of the grand feast being prepared start to permeate through the underground, spread by industrial-scale fans clearing the air around the cooking area. Soon, you'll be greeting your new temporary neighbors, alerted to their presence by Mouse's keen senses. And when they are nice and mellow you'll be establishing the rules.
    [X] You can't think of any single action that would draw the dwellers here to you without scaring most of them away, so you simply start fixing up the old station for Porter. In time those with some curiosity in them would come of their own free will, making for a more receptive audience.
    [X]Plan Neighborly cookout
    -[X]Go grocery shopping with a thousand dollars
    -[X]Bring Lydia and borrow Mouse's services. Borrow Michael's truck. Bring a batterypowered cassette/CD player with speakers
    -[X]Move the groceries to the Last Station
    -[X]Periodically dump water on your head to keep BSM active
    -[X]Cook with Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency, aiming to feed the inhabitants of the area (trigger TLF)
    -[X] Use leadership and empathy excellency to prevent those attracted by the food from running away when noticing you
    --[X]STUNT: "You owe me," Lydia grumbles for the umpteenth time as she helps you move the contents of your dad's truckbed. Mouse makes no comment, but you can almost hear his amusement as he listens to the two of you haul the last few containers of food towards the borders of the Last Station, but his eyes remain fixed on the darkness beyond. "Yeah, I do. Still, you'll get a show out of this at least?" you reply, as green flame unfurls from around you, manifesting something in between laboratory and cooking equipment. The sounds and smells of the grand feast being prepared start to permeate through the underground, spread by industrial-scale fans clearing the air around the cooking area. Soon, you'll be greeting your new temporary neighbors. And when they are nice and mellow you'll be establishing the rules.
    [X] You can't think of any single action that would draw the dwellers here to you without scaring most of them away, so you simply start fixing up the old station for Porter. In time those with some curiosity in them would come of their own free will, making for a more receptive audience.
    -[x]Bring some extra food and cash. If any onlookers come offer it for help on the project.
    [x] use powers to craft facilities for bathing and washing up or repair existing facilities if there are any.
    [X] You can't think of any single action that would draw the dwellers here to you without scaring most of them away, so you simply start fixing up the old station for Porter. In time those with some curiosity in them would come of their own free will, making for a more receptive audience.
    -[x]Bring some extra food and cash. If any onlookers come offer it for help on the proje
    [X]Plan Neighborly cookout plus asserting dominance.
    -[X]Go grocery shopping with a thousand dollars. Also buy clean water, about a two hundred liters would do.
    -[X]Bring Lydia and borrow Mouse's services. Borrow Michael's truck. Bring a batterypowered cassette/CD player with speakers
    -[X]Move the groceries to the Last Station. Use TTC to make a powered cart
    -[X]Periodically dump water on your head to keep BSM active
    -[X]Cook with Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency, aiming to feed the inhabitants of the area (trigger TLF)
    -[X] Use leadership and empathy excellency to prevent those attracted by the food from running away when noticing you
    -[x] Make no effort to restrain your anima banner. You aren't trying to be subtle.
    --[X]STUNT: "You owe me," Lydia grumbles for the umpteenth time as she helps you move the contents of your dad's truckbed. Mouse makes no comment, but you can almost hear his amusement as he listens to the two of you haul the last few containers of food towards the borders of the Last Station, but his eyes remain fixed on the darkness beyond. "Yeah, I do. Still, you'll get a show out of this at least?" you reply, as green flame unfurls from around you, manifesting something in between laboratory and cooking equipment. The sounds and smells of the grand feast being prepared start to permeate through the underground, spread by industrial-scale fans clearing the air around the cooking area. Soon, you'll be greeting your new temporary neighbors, alerted to their presence by Mouse's keen senses. And when they are nice and mellow you'll be establishing the rules.
 
Do note the 'minimum target number 3' part of this combo. We'd be hitting that easily, but most rolls would have part of the modifier going to waste.
DP allows sub-3 difficulty to overroll into autosux.

If that's not a thing because he reconsidered or something, then we'll prolly need a homebrew rule or charm to allow difficulty adjustment to overflow into bonus dice, because there are realistically possible situations where we could accumulate 12+ points of difficulty reduction. CCC, TLF, Shintai, Maggots area charm, BSM, Fortune, a bunch of other stuff depending on what DP allows... Etcetera.

Everything at once proccing is once in a blue moon scenario ofc, but stacking 3+ is likely to become semi-common as we progress.
 
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You do cooking at home, you get to soak in bleach for Essence regen before coming here.
You do it down here, you start down at least -2 Essence from Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency.
Thats a material difference to consider.
I feel like it shouldn't be hard to find toxic liquid down in undertown. Also if we set up a bleach bath down there we don't have to clean up after ourselves.
 
I feel like it shouldn't be hard to find toxic liquid down in undertown. Also if we set up a bleach bath down there we don't have to clean up after ourselves.
We will not have the time to take a bleach bath in Undertown after spending an hour or more funnelling the aromas of a cooking legendary feast into the tunnels.
There's a good chance we wont even get to finish cooking.

If combat breaks out, as it may well do, we would start down at least 16% of our Essence pool.
Not catastrophic, but still a wholly unnecessary unforced error.

Furthermore, I have no interest in letting the entirety of Undertown know that Molly runs low on combat juice or can recharge by exposure to toxic liquid.
Thats the kind of personal secret you only let close allies know.
 
What are the odds that Harry will let Mouse run off with us without getting involved himself?

He knows she's strong, but I doubt Harry will be super enthusiastic about Molly wandering around undertown.

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What are the odds that Harry will let Mouse run off with us without getting involved himself?

He knows she strong, but I doubt Harry will be super enthusiastic about Molly wandering around undertown.
That would be a bonus, but I hope that Harry isn't busy. Last time he didn't mention that he was in a world of trouble just because he didn't want us to find out about it.
 
What are the odds that Harry will let Mouse run off with us without getting involved himself?
He knows she strong, but I doubt Harry will be super enthusiastic about Molly wandering around undertown.
Enthusiastic? No.
But he knows the worth of promises, especially to spirits; he doesnt actually know that promises dont bind Molly like they do other supermaturals because it hasnt come up.

And he has a day job. Jobs. Molly's on vacation, he's not.

Furthermore, he has seen Molly in shintai, Lydia in combat, and he knows Mouse is tough enough to tank first getting hit by a van, and then getting assaulted by Eldest Fetch/the Scarecrow. I expect him to reasonably expect Molly/Lydia/Mouse to be able to outrun any actual serious trouble, even before Molly hitting the Kill Everything button.
 
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If combat breaks out, as it may well do, we would start down at least 16% of our Essence pool.
Not catastrophic, but still a wholly unnecessary unforced error.
Don't you want to see the crazy stunts that Molly can do protecting her kitchen?

Also each minion we recuit will restore some of our essance.
 
Don't you want to see the crazy stunts that Molly can do protecting her kitchen?

Also each minion we recuit will restore some of our essance.
Most of the people we are likely to run into down here are ghouls, renegade Whampires and Wyldfae.
Most of the Wyldfae would know better than to start something, leaving the ghouls and Whampires.And I think its in poor taste to beat on the desperate or mentally ill. We'll get plenty of opportunity to kick the shit out of more deserving opps.

There is zero guarantee of our recruiting people here, today.
We cannot plan our combat reserves around a maybe.
Or rather, we could, but shouldnt. Not if we have any other alternatives
 
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he doesnt actually know that promises dont bind Molly like they do other supermaturals because it hasnt come up.
Fair enough on the rest, but I don't think this is exactly accurate.

The binding power of one's word in the DF supernatural community is primarily about reputation; only some creatures actually have have some inherent binding to it. Even then it dna be conditional, with wizards for example only being bound if they swear by their power.

Molly is as bound to her word as vampires, Fomor, the average Sasquatch, and many minor factions are.
 
Fair enough on the rest, but I don't think this is exactly accurate.

The binding power of one's word in the DF supernatural community is primarily about reputation; only some creatures actually have have some inherent binding to it. Even then it dna be conditional, with wizards for example only being bound if they swear by their power.

Molly is as bound to her word as vampires, Fomor, the average Sasquatch, and many minor factions are.
Not quite.
Wizards are a special case, yes, particularly with regards to how oaths sworn on their Power can cripple them magically if broken.
However, promises and oaths have metaphysical weight beyond that, for both mortals and supernaturals.

Broken promises and bargains have weight that allows the other party, if supernatural, to affect you, or to trade it to someone else who can. Except for Molly, who's a Celestial Exalt, with all that implies for respect for the rules that bind others.
 
Not quite.
Wizards are a special case, yes, particularly with regards to how oaths sworn on their Power can cripple them magically if broken.
However, promises and oaths have metaphysical weight beyond that, for both mortals and supernaturals.

Broken promises and bargains have weight that allows the other party, if supernatural, to affect you, or to trade it to someone else who can. Except for Molly, who's a Celestial Exalt, with all that implies for respect for the rules that bind others.
Fey can do that, but it's a special property of their's. If you screw over a wizard they'll try to curse you, but unless they pay a fey to do it then they can't use debt magic for it.

This sort of thing is why the red court can get away with being such assholes all the time. Outside of specific cases the primary risk is reputation loss and retaliation from the injured party.
 
Do note the 'minimum target number 3' part of this combo. We'd be hitting that easily, but most rolls would have part of the modifier going to waste.
Note that CCC, for example, doesn't suffer from this limitation. Depending on how it works (in what order), TLF + BSM would push a difficulty to 3, and then CCC would turn it into auto-successes.

One of the major issues of cooking in undertown would be less the water, which can be filtered and boiled out of what is already down there and more getting rid of the waste heat, steam and smoke.
Which is why I specified also buying 2 hundred liters of clean water. Hopefully this should alleviate at least some problems.
Molly in a cold damp prison cell hundreds of miles from any hope of help and with a dead weight baby to take care of is basically unstoppable.
Basically, yes. +2 dice to everything from WHWH, -4 difficulty to her every action, no need to roll to feed herself (this is just a flat effect), and a further -3 difficulty to feed and protect said dead weight baby. Now start adding excellencies and stunts, and she should be rolling 10+ if not 15+ successes consistently.

There is a reason I want to try our hand at making winter clothing (perhaps boots? Lash suggested those as an idea; she wouldn't lead us astray, would she?). I want to see how ridiculous this gets. And it even counts as preparation for Mab (we should be dressed for the occasion, after all).

The real magic, as it was, probably starts once we get into 20+ successes on rolls, ie "more than Mab with no prep has dice" successes. That's when exalted glory should be shining.
You do cooking at home, you get to soak in bleach for Essence regen before coming here.
You do it down here, you start down at least -2 Essence from Tool Constructs and a Craft Excellency.
Thats a material difference to consider.
That's true, but I think that, since we are starting with 12 essence to start with, the chances are we can run the tank near to empty on this.
 
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Speaking of which, I figured out what the ideal crafting setup for us (assuming that we're trying to make something that doesn't count for TLF no matter how you turn your head and squint) would look like. Industrial-sized freezer, big enough to easily hold us and whatever we're making, HMP on the electronic lock to trigger CCC, tub of antifreeze (the toxic kind) big enough to bathe in for both essence regen as needed and triggering BSM.

If we're going to get rich while making use of our Craft Excellency, that seems like something worth setting up for the sake of the ridiculous stacking bonuses.
 
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