Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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zxzx24 said:
works for me still

@Alectai might be worth faking a cache and having the government spooks "discover" it.
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That's on them to fabricate, I think, but I've added a note in just now that says we should do what we can to take our insights in Imperial Tech that we've gained from our studies to make the stuff we give them look convincing even to a close analysis.
 
zack omega24 said:
You guys want to give them plasma weapons instead of Hotshot las-gun?
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It's Long Lases and Plasma Pistols, the former are specialist Imperial Guard Weapons (But not uncommon ones), and the latter are often used for IG officers as well.

Are they common like the Bog Standard Lasgun and Flak Armor? No, but they're only one step above that, it's in no way implausible that a cache of surplus gear would include a few samples of it.
 
Alectai said:
It's Long Lases and Plasma Pistols, the former are specialist Imperial Guard Weapons (But not uncommon ones), and the latter are often used for IG officers as well.

Are they common like the Bog Standard Lasgun and Flak Armor? No, but they're only one step above that, it's in no way implausible that a cache of surplus gear would include a few samples of it.
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I still think that is very risky and not worth doing.
 
If we are going to do weapons, why not make them Mechanicus weapons? This would explain their origin nicely. We can lay some bread crumbs pointing to Thalya if we want to cause extra trouble for her
 
Keep in mind it's the government who requested long-las and plasma pistols. I don't think they would ask for them if the mechanicus would instantly suspect an outside source. In some ways having harder to manufacture specialist weapons might deflect suspicion over basic lasguns. At a certain point we just have to trust in the competence of our allies.
 
Questwolf said:
Keep in mind it's the government who requested long-las and plasma pistols. I don't think they would ask for them if the mechanicus would instantly suspect an outside source. In some ways having harder to manufacture specialist weapons might deflect suspicion over basic lasguns. At a certain point we just have to trust in the competence of our allies.
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where does it say that?
 
zack omega24 said:
where does it say that?
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Last update when doing the Aevon diplo specifically: "Acknowledged, V. We'll be there in a few days. We would also like to lodge another request for advanced weaponry, specifically longlas and man-portable bolters that could conceivably have been left over from an imperial stockpile."

I could have sworn it said plasma pistols at one point but bolters also work. The point is these are weapons the ACI is specifically requesting from us.
 
Questwolf said:
Last update when doing the Aevon diplo specifically: "Acknowledged, V. We'll be there in a few days. We would also like to lodge another request for advanced weaponry, specifically longlas and man-portable bolters that could conceivably have been left over from an imperial stockpile."

I could have sworn it said plasma pistols at one point but bolters also work. The point is these are weapons the ACI is specifically requesting from us.
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I think I said plasma pistols in the vote summary, but it's all three, really. They want weapons that hit above the normal human pay grade to have the capability to take down mechanicus agents/kill teams of skitarii.

Also - wow this plan has 6 research rolls. Not asking for them yet but maybe we'll finally see what a research crit looks like.
 
At least we can't critfail research T_T

Our dice are so bad...

But yeah, the lovely thing about next turn is that we'll be able to start transitioning up to the Void, we can build an electromagnetic catapult per Construction Action, at which point we'll have 1,000 Void or Ground BP. Now, while hiding this will probably be challenging, we'll also be able to hopefully blind their eyes next turn.

I mean, unless the whole "Stealthier than u think" means we can bury most of it in an underground tunnel just by dint of its design spec.
 
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Alectai said:
I mean, unless the whole "Stealthier than u think" means we can bury most of it in an underground tunnel just by dint of its design spec.
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No, void launch has two different ways to be stealthy.

First is the installations themselves, which are either built in the open or not. Giant landing pads or huge magnetic tracks - not stealthy even when inactive.

Second is actually launching stuff to space. Which is very rarely stealthy - you've only been able to hide your singular shuttle launches by doing it under heavy cloudcover. That's where the magnetic launch is the best, though getting stealth shuttles would be nearly as good.

So if you want a fully stealthed space launch system, build an underground magnetic catapult for 3000 or an underground spaceport and do some stealth research, then design and build stealth shuttles.
 
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I mean you have the option of increasing your build capacity by 50% with each action. You can triple your production capacity every turn if you did nothing else. BP are not really a limiting resource for you.
 
Neablis said:
I mean you have the option of increasing your build capacity by 50% with each action. You can triple your production capacity every turn if you did nothing else. BP are not really a limiting resource for you.
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yes, but its 3k to no sell the mechanicus nukes IIRC, so we can invest in that, invest in bunkers for defense, then tell the mechanicus we found a STC fragment, Come and try to get it.
 
thatguy99998 said:
yes, but its 3k to no sell the mechanicus nukes IIRC, so we can invest in that, invest in bunkers for defense, then tell the mechanicus we found a STC fragment, Come and try to get it.
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Ah yes, the total war plan. It would probably work too, though they'll blackmail every other government on the planet to send their militaries at you.

ArticulateJargon said:
I have to ask, are there ways to get more RP per research action? That seems to be a very limiting factor here
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Basically "get people to help." Anexa is the first version of that, and with some more levels she'll get pretty good. The second way is to enter into a research agreement with another polity. Aevon isn't advanced enough but they're working on it. If you helped them more they'd get there faster.
 
As for planning

[X] Plan: Know Thy Archenemy

I like the option to finally learn about the horrors of the warp. It seems like something we should find out about sooner than later (unless the mechanicus "Archenemy" is something else?)
 
My reasoning, some of which has been edited slightly along with the plan:
meianmaru said:
[ ] Plan: Know Thy Archenemy
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And here is my plan. Anexa was shifted back to school after some clarifications. Mostly differs from Alectai's in that mine has some actual blueprints in it, instead of just more fundamental research (Alectai's differs in having combat-bot humanization, I think). Write-ins are also a bit different, but both are in a very similar vein to their messages. I'm honestly fine at this point with his plan winning too, but I'd still like us to have also some spy satellite's and heavy fortifications so posting my plan.

[X] Plan: Know Thy Archenemy
-[X] [Free] Poke around some more in the databases, looking for anything in particular.
--[X] What is the deal with this God-Emperor anyway? It sounds kind of crazy, and there's got to be more to it, right?
-[X] Construction (900 GBP)
--[X] 1st construction slot (900 BP):
---[X] 4x Manufactory (100 BP, 50 CP)
---[X] 6x Underground Anti-Air Defenses (aboveground base) (75 BP, 5 CP)
---[X] Trade goods, Aevon (requested weapons) (50 BP) (Trade goods, Aevon 55 -> 105)
-[X] Research x3 (600 RP)
--[X] 1st research slot (200 RP):
---[X] What's up with this tech? (100 RP)
---[X] In-atmosphere void shields (100 RP)
--[X] 2nd research slot (200 RP):
---[X] Basic Imperial Hacking (150 RP)
---[X] Blueprint: Spy satellite (25 RP)
---[X] Blueprint: Anti-armor Bunker (25 RP)
--[X] 3rd research slot (200 RP):
---[X] Let's fix the lag issue (50 RP)
---[X] System survey (50 RP)
---[X] Mechanicus files on the Archenemy (100 RP)
-[X] Pay rent (Trade goods, Aevon: 105 -> 80)
-[X] Anexa passive action: Education - Roll to level, difficulty is 10+5xLevel
-[X] Anexa: Juvenat Yes
--[X] Write-in: Tell Anexa about the various worlds, ideologies, organizations and people that you saw embracing cybernetics, both the good and the bad. As well as about one of your crew, who was a near full-conversion cyborg. Tell her to make her own jugdement if cybernetic ascencion is what she wants based on this information. And with enough time, made easier by the juvenat.
-[X] Aevon Mine: Take the "mine disguise" deal
--[X] Write-in: Mention that as you are still increasing your manufacturing capacity, it has resulted in your anti-air and anti-missile defenses lagging somewhat behind the ideal state. Just to avoid any misunderstandings about what they can expect from you currently if they are planning something. Promise to keep them posted roughly on the capabilities of your protective umbrella as it is built up (but not the exact details), if they keep you in return informed about any... Aggressive moves they might take in the future.
-[X] Aevon Weapons: Yes
 
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