Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).

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Replacing Death with Soul might be fine too, though, making it for example Soul and Keku.
Not really sure, soul might be a good catch in for final option, like the soul symbolise the metaphysical world, and the change of death and life, the elements the physical world and the flight and teacher beginning and end.

But remove death and soul isn't remotely a good replacement for it.
 
Not really sure, soul might be a good catch in for final option, like the soul symbolise the metaphysical world, and the change of death and life, the elements the physical world and the flight and teacher beginning and end.

But remove death and soul isn't remotely a good replacement for it.
removing death from the equation removes some width to the core I suppose, but I think life can work well even without it. We'd focus more on the world and what's in it.

Keku and soul is probably my second pick, after death and keku. Time and Death is probably 3rd place.

All things considered I'm fine with all 3, and with plenty others. If we'd gotten a choice I imagine I wouldn't have taken Flight, but that was not up to us
 
So I put one to spirit beasts and one to taiji.
"From beginning nothing, from the end everything, this is the truth, the only truth" with extreme concentration and other resources (like lifespan, Qi divine Qi and so on) you may create drops of other known substances.

"it is known that some of the beasts inhabiting places of power are bigger and stronger than their brethren in the wilds, yet this difference is minuet, understand the power of creation and and understand them" you may now recognize spirit beasts or equivalent at sight and will know both their general power as well as their weaknesses.
 
I considered trying the final one for yin-yang, but our core already covers that niche (life and death), and there is something fitting about going from zero can one, from one came two (life and death symbolising yin and yang), from two came four (usually it is the lesser and greater yin and lesser and greater yang, in our core the elements that make the world) and from that came the species (symbolised by their life as flight from the beginning to teaching at the end).

So I will go with a divine Taiji for the final one.
 
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it is known that some of the beasts inhabiting places of power are bigger and stronger than their brethren in the wilds, yet this difference is minuet, understand the power of creation and and understand them
A confirmation that spiritual beasts exist, but are currently minor, I expect that those beasts are the first to start gain odd power and sapience, we should keep an eye out after the ascension, the world would probably become higher level faster from a higher grade of heavenly lighting.
am your future, I am your past, I am your death and I am your life" Die.
Does it mean divine taijj isn't allowed? Would we get divine insights that don't kill us?

That's really interesting, to me it implies some pretty uniq things about that pillar, even if those things aren't immediately useful.

That's probably a very powerful concept either way, it is the concept of the creation of everything after all.
"From beginning nothing, from the end everything, this is the truth, the only truth" with extreme concentration and other resources (like lifespan, Qi divine Qi and so on) you may create drops of other known substances.
Can it potentially be expanded into more effective form of qi circulation, like making qi into more refined qi.

Either way, I have two votes

[X] time lead to death
-[X] death pillar
-[X] time pillar

[X] From zero came one, from one came two, from two came four, from four came all things
-[X] death pillar
-[X] Taiji pillar

Edit,

[X] death and keku
-[X] death pillar
-[X] keku pillar

Picking this in the hope of pushing for the best core we can, aka death Keku or death time.
 
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Does it mean divine taijj isn't allowed? Would we get divine insights that don't kill us
Oh, its allowed but currently that is the only insight that would show up, how do you make it have other insights? Well, you technically have enough of the puzzle pieces to figure that on out.

I'll even give you another one, this isn't something unique to this pillar but would be on any pillar that deals with the cosmological order of things, especially things that touch upon the beginning.
 
[X] time lead to death

[X] death and keku
-[X] death pillar
-[X] keku pillar

both are fine

[X] Death God
-[X] death pillar
-[X] divinity pillar
 
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[X] time lead to death

[X]The world and it's people
-[X] death pillar
-[x] Keku pillar

[X] death and keku


[x] The People and their souls
-[x] Soul pillar
-[x] Keku pillar


I might slim it down to my favourite later on, but for now let's show some more options.

Oh, its allowed but currently that is the only insight that would show up, how do you make it have other insights? Well, you technically have enough of the puzzle pieces to figure that on out.

I'll even give you another one, this isn't something unique to this pillar but would be on any pillar that deals with the cosmological order of things, especially things that touch upon the beginning.
mh... my best guess as of right now is that going deeper into divine qi and/or becoming part divine might change this.

I suppose this would be seen as a most arrogant overreach by the divines, and that's why they'd strike us down. So we'd have to either gain their favor, OR go beyond their sight, to manage something else.

Unless this has nothing to do with them, and it's just a sign that we currently don't have the right mindset for a divine insights here...
 
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Oh, its allowed but currently that is the only insight that would show up, how do you make it have other insights? Well, you technically have enough of the puzzle pieces to figure that on out.

I'll even give you another one, this isn't something unique to this pillar but would be on any pillar that deals with the cosmological order of things, especially things that touch upon the beginning.
That make me wonder, are the gods, or at least some of them, real, multiple divine insights made mention of gods giving us abilities, there was a mention of the creating afterlife would either be the worst or best idea we could do.

Maybe there is a Taiji god, and stuff that stray to his domain piss him off, pittauro made a good idea about becoming partly divine potentially changing stuff.
 
That make me wonder, are the gods, or at least some of them, real, multiple divine insights made mention of gods giving us abilities, there was a mention of the creating afterlife would either be the worst or best idea we could do.

Maybe there is a Taiji god, and stuff that stray to his domain piss him off, pittauro made a good idea about becoming partly divine potentially changing stuff.
Gods are definitely real. The question if the specific gods the Keku believed in are real.

Considering that qi and intent seem to have power, and the connection to what is sometimes referred to in some media franchises (like Fate) as the collective unconscious... I'd say there's a good chance these gods were created by the Keku in the past.

If not that... maybe some gods that have similar domains fed on the divine qi generated this way.
 
Gods are definitely real. The question if the specific gods the Keku believed in are real.

Considering that qi and intent seem to have power, and the connection to what is sometimes referred to in some media franchises (like Fate) as the collective unconscious... I'd say there's a good chance these gods were created by the Keku in the past.

If not that... maybe some gods that have similar domains fed on the divine qi generated this way.
Also possible say gods may have influenced Keku subtly to worship them, the demon did communicate with the cultists somehow.
 
[x] The People and their souls

I like Keku, I think it has some large impacts, and also, works well as being the pathmaker of our people.

Not excited about death...
 
Also possible say gods may have influenced Keku subtly to worship them, the demon did communicate with the cultists somehow.
according to them it was so easy to contact them and summon them due to the presence of divine power from all the tribulation lightning.

Which implies, among other things, that the world will become richer in supernatural events as time passes.

But then again it also implies that in the past this would have been far harder.

...and yet. AND YET. we know there were aliens on this planet once, as we recently found their... colony/spaceship, either or. So, maybe there was a difference race then, and who knows what they had access to. Maybe they had cultivation, maybe it was just a sci-fy civ, maybe they had more active gods.

Not excited about death...
it's mostly to pair with life AND to get a strong offensive option. Objectively speaking few things are more directly threatening than "death".

That said, there's really no wrong choice among the ones we're considering
 
[x] The People and their souls

I like Keku, I think it has some large impacts, and also, works well as being the pathmaker of our people.

Not excited about death...
Death is taken to be part of a whole, a counterpart for life, I think when making the choice, what should be in mind is not insights at this point, but what will come later, as those pillars become part of a core who will presumably produce stronger abilities and ways to use them, don't look at a pillar as is, but as will be.
That said, there's really no wrong choice among the ones we're considering
That no necessarily true, some choices will indisputably make us weaker because they will lead to weaker core concept.

Uri confirmed death and time, and death and Keku will lead to what is basically the strongest core concept we could achieve.

Uri, are you willing to say if soul Keku, or Taiji death will equal it?
 
Uri, are you willing to say if soul Keku, or Taiji death will equal it?
They wont equal it but they won't be that much weaker either, like within 5%. Although there are ways to boost it later on.

Hmmm… you are close enough to it that you should know at least a little about it.

When making a core and its concept you have various attributes you have to think about. Two of them are harmony and stability.

Stability is easy, to get 100% you just have to have all of your pillars in the core (IE: make the concept out of all of the pillars) this attribute mostly effects cultivation speed, its mostly relevant for when you get an injury but their are specific instances you would create a core without all of the pillars.

So why would you create a core from only some of your pillars? That has to do with core harmony.

Core harmony is basically how well do the pillars of the core jell with one another, this increases or decreases based on the concept chosen and this directly impacts the power of the core and one other hidden thing, so taking the hit to stability for more harmony is often time a very good trade to do.
 
They wont equal it but they won't be that much weaker either, like within 5%. Although there are ways to boost it later on.

Hmmm… you are close enough to it that you should know at least a little about it.

When making a core and its concept you have various attributes you have to think about. Two of them are harmony and stability.

Stability is easy, to get 100% you just have to have all of your pillars in the core (IE: make the concept out of all of the pillars) this attribute mostly effects cultivation speed, its mostly relevant for when you get an injury but their are specific instances you would create a core without all of the pillars.

So why would you create a core from only some of your pillars? That has to do with core harmony.

Core harmony is basically how well do the pillars of the core jell with one another, this increases or decreases based on the concept chosen and this directly impacts the power of the core and one other hidden thing, so taking the hit to stability for more harmony is often time a very good trade to do.
So I will probably remove my personal Taiji vote if it start winning over time or Keku, but keep it if soul is leading.
 
ok, I'm doing a quick reread, seeing if we missed or forgot anything important.

[X] from deep underground they come, gateways to lands of horror and madness, deformed mutated beasts', servants of higher powers unlimited in number, seeking the end of all life.
reminder of what the apocalypse will be about. Servants of higher powers. But what kind? Divine? Demonic? lovecraftian?

Kekita is going to serve in this role for your disciples, organizing them and searching for new students. As you trust her impeccably and as she recently raised her second pillar there is no one who could challenge her power.
I forgot our daughter is formally the "leader" and organizer of the cultivators, I admit.

The third option is Netik, the governor that started it all, he has experience in governing and a good head on his shoulders so he'll be competent in the role but that is all that could be said for him, on the flip side he also doesn't come with some drawbacks.
another thing I forgot, our first steward was the first governor who surrendered to us after we killed the first king, and so the one who first gave us the idea of becoming the Emperor.

heh.

He gave us a city, and we gave him an Empire :V

The first few tests were promising as your test subject did confirm that more Qi was drawn out of their body's -even some that was in the process of being absorbed- the problem was that the amount was still too small to be sensed.

The solution to this problem came in a burst of inspiration as your claws carved a vaguely remembered sigil into the bark of the tree.

This sigil amplified the natural drain of the tree tenfold -at least where the sigil touched- allowing you to sans the amount of Qi someone can't absorb and as such conclude how high their affinity was.
the first rune was a "half remembered sigil". from when/where?

Currently, you're reading the reports Netik and his subordinates prepared for you at speeds beyond mortality, absorbing and contemplating the new information in the blink of an eye.

For anyone else it would take hours to sift through all the information, for you it will take less than ten minutes and only because you need to be careful your claws won't rip the paper.
I already imagine the day where Shikatu will go through his reports on a 240 fps monitor, and thus read a book per second or so :V

She has spent the last decade organizing and overseeing the recruiting and training of four hundred and seventy-three new cultivators of the first step. If not for your decision to switch to an apprentice-master style of training she could have probably trained ten times this number.
a reminder that the alternative to our low-numbers-high-quality recruiting would have been 10 times more cultivators.

I'd also forgotten we had provoked the nobles again right on turn 1, though it was before I joined the quest.

It seems that a significant minority of your disciples have found a love of teaching the new generation and have petitioned to make it their permanent job.

Such an agreement has obvious benefits, mainly the fact that such will lead to specialization and greater experience in teaching and make them better able to train new cultivators, increasing the numbers and quality of new recruits.

Of course, this will fully occupy their time and so you will lose some of the free labor they can provide.

[] Allow the petition. (-1 AP for cultivation actions but gain a passive and growing recruitment of first step cultivators).
oh, we also went for dedicated teachers. Really, I forgot a lot of stuff...

With the latter comes an offer from the sects.

They offer to bend the knee and be sworn into your empire peacefully, paying a token amount of taxes as tribute and be available to call as Keku at wings when the needs arise.
the sects proved themselves FAR more reasonable than kings and nobles before them, and offer their loyalty at an acceptable price. And they definitely benefited a LOT from it.

Of course, there is strength in diversity and different organizations could come with different ideas which would otherwise not be found.
and this proved itself true. They came up with the tribulation arrays, first of all.

Were this any other event you wouldn't have been able to even attempt this -in fact it seems that the event casts all others in its shadows- wait…

Shadow's?

Since when did the sea of time have shadows?

You look up.

And your heart freezes in absolute terror.

You cannot move, you cannot speak, you cannot think.

You can only look at the being whose mere size and weight is enough to warp the sea of time around itself and obscure the visions of the future.

And you can see it starting to wake.

Thankfully, before it can wake and squash you like the bug that you are an old friend intervenes.

The wind howls in your chamber, extinguishing the multitude of candles that you have lit and scatters dozens of parchments and scroll throughout

The sudden chaos breaking the hold the creature has on you and throwing your soul back to your body.

An hour passed before your heart returned to its regular beating.

Wh-what have you seen?

-your efforts to narrow down the timeline have given limited results but results nonetheless. (see the top of this post for said results).

-through your divination you have spotted ??? and only through the timely intervention of the wind (you know how one of the insights in your character sheet says the wind will aid your actions from time to time? that wasn't metaphorical the wind will
literally come to your aid, and this was probably the best place it could have triggered) did its alert level wasn't raised.
I now wonder if that might be the Lord of Fate...


They wont equal it but they won't be that much weaker either, like within 5%. Although there are ways to boost it later on.

acceptable to me. All in all I'm fine with all options with a vote thus far, really.

When making a core and its concept you have various attributes you have to think about. Two of them are harmony and stability.

Stability is easy, to get 100% you just have to have all of your pillars in the core (IE: make the concept out of all of the pillars) this attribute mostly effects cultivation speed, its mostly relevant for when you get an injury but their are specific instances you would create a core without all of the pillars.

So why would you create a core from only some of your pillars? That has to do with core harmony.

Core harmony is basically how well do the pillars of the core jell with one another, this increases or decreases based on the concept chosen and this directly impacts the power of the core and one other hidden thing, so taking the hit to stability for more harmony is often time a very good trade to do.

If we went for Death and Time I could see us removing Flight and/or Teaching from it to get a better fitting Core, I suppose. It will likely end up being a core including 7 to 9 pillars.


In any case, this is important information, and I'm assuming that once he becomes more aware of it Shikatu will share it with the other third steps. Knowing about this from the start will help a LOT in choosing the right pillar concepts to begin with.
 
If we went for Death and Time I could see us removing Flight and/or Teaching from it to get a better fitting Core, I suppose. It will likely end up being a core including 7 to 9 pillars.
We wouldn't? Uri already confirmed both flight and teaching support such core, by symbolising the cycle of life, all our pillars presumably support such a perfect core.
The second one.

For Keku life is flight and teaching represents the passing of knowledge to new generations so they may carry on after the teacher death.
Such an action would only beneficial if we took disconnected pillar, like tribulation, but may be good in a situation where everything fit perfectly but one part that fit only very well, I am not sure if it count as impurity if it still highly related but isn't as related.
 
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Also, if we went for the Two Core thingy, would we get two cores with 50% stability?
eh, it's probably not worth it all things considered. we can mostly fit everything in a single core, and I don't think we're going to devote enough time to divine qi research.

We also want to get more insights, and that will take APs AND Divine charges.

...ok, let me check something:

current pillars:

  1. fire
  2. water
  3. wind
  4. flight
  5. life
  6. teaching
  7. earth.


As of right now we're considering various combinations of Death, Time, Soul, Keku, Taiji and Divinity.


Now, We've been told that Death and Time, or Time and Keku, are really good options, with soul and keku or taiji and death being not far behind.


can we think of anything better? What kind of core concept can we come up with that would include all pillars? How does a core concept differ from the pillar concepts?

sadly we have no core concept examples yet. Thus far our ideas have been along the lines of a core that would include basically "the world", and the pillar concepts are just parts of that world.

The elements to form it physically. Life and Death and Keku to include living beings and in particular the Keku living in it.

Time to add the concept of how things change, and to accompany life (as life changes through time, ending up in death).

the soul to add a metaphysical element. the taiji to encompass it all. Divinity to add ANOTHER type of metaphysical element, or possibly the influence the Emperor now has on society.


... I think Taiji might work better as a CORE concept than just a pillar, if I'm understanding it correctly.

We wouldn't? Uri already confirmed both flight and teaching support such core, by symbolising the cycle of life, all our pillars presumably support such a perfect core.
they might not fit perfectly. It seems weird to point out harmony right now if we won't have to make a choice of trade-offs.

Or maybe there will be other factors he's not yet mentioning that will affect the choice.
 
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