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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, the Kingdom of Nehekhara, Naval Warfare
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Dragonslayer said:
Around him the buildings were higher, the doorways taller. In the narrow alleyways, he could hear human voices mingling with the deeper tones of the dwarfs. Men and women of the Empire looked at him from the open fronts of shops. They sat among their goods. Some looked at him speculatively, seeing him for what he was. Others shouted invitations to him to come in and study their wares. Max smiled. Even in these remote mountains, in this citadel of the Elder Race, there was a small human quarter. Men and dwarfs were bound by many ancient ties of faith and alliance, but none were more ancient than the bonds of trade.
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It's a merchant quarter. A small one. That's very different to what's happening with the Undumgi in Karak Eight Peaks.

I'm getting tempted to install a yellow card system where whenever someone cites a novel, I blow a whistle and play grinds to a halt until the exact words are supplied.
 
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Boney said:
It's a merchant quarter. A small one. That's very different to what's happening with the Undumgi in Karak Eight Peaks.

I'm getting tempted to install a yellow card system where whenever someone cites a novel, I blow a whistle and play grinds to a halt until the exact words are supplied.
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First - is this a quest extract or a book one? I think that's Max from G&F, the confusing wizard.

Also please do that system it'd be hilarious. Red card if you misquote a book.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill: Social science
Choosing this mostly to get Civilized Realms filled out
 
MrHobbit said:
Boney was the one who described it as a League of Nations. Thorgrim clearly intended and intends to form major diplomatic inroads with the other powers of the Old World. What Thorgrim described in the interlude was significant. Thorgrim's description of his goals included military coordination in the excess of "barely a defensive pact."

Do you recall the Bohka Palace Accords? The ones we just gone done negotiating? Thorgrim just signed them. A treaty that could imply that Ulthuan could deploy military force to expand the waystone network in the Karaz Ankor. Would that happen? No, almost certainly not. But that Thorgrim signed it despite the fact that many dwarfs would read it that shows that he is seeking military cooperation.

Reread the description of the second Silver Road War. Karaz-a-Karak has shed a lot of its conservatism in the prosecution of that war. Mount Silverspear is extremely far away from the Empire. It is honestly easy to justify not having humans help retake it. But the other Karaks would be much closer and the precedent of Mag Dog Pass is already there.

Nothing about Thorgrim's actions suggests that he has goals as small as you're trying to paint them.
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You definitely should have lead with this quote instead of just insisting.
Kak did shed lots of it's normal modus operandi but not as much as you think. The silver road is a free for all their happy to found but the dwarf hold is a dwarven matter and that's final.
As for the league of nations I think it wants to be closer to a NATO light then any help of reconquest.
But that's just speculation from me so I gonna ask @Boney.

Does Thorgrim actually want a full league of nations or more of a "if the waaaghs start rolling up again you better send someone!" Type of deal?
 
On top of K8P being massive enough that it actually benefits from having a halfling and human and spider and dragon population on top of its dwarven one, part of the reason the Undumgi happened was also because a) Belegar is about as radical as a dwarf king can get, and b) they got hit by an Ancestor Rune of Grungni. It seems unlikely there'll be a similar confluence of events for any other Holds.
 
I think a major wire must have been crossed somewhere if people are seeing 'League of Nations' and being puzzled at the idea of such an effective and powerful steward of world peace and prosperity being unleashed upon the world.
 
I'm a little worried about Mount Silverspear, to be honest. The only way that's going to go is slow, grinding progress, which doesn't play to our strengths at all.
Mopman43 said:
I don't think the We like the surface much, they're a subterranean species.

So their job will be to fully clear the Underway.
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They're ambush predators, though, not infantry. They don't really 'clear' anything.
 
Guile said:
I'm a little worried about Mount Silverspear, to be honest. The only way that's going to go is slow, grinding progress, which doesn't play to our strengths at all.
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We've already assisted in the reconquest of several Karags, a Karak isn't that much of a step up.

It'll certainly help the reconquest if during the campaign itself the Warboss of the Bloody Spears suddenly comes down with a fatal case of stabbed-itis. Along with all of his successors.
 
Mopman43 said:
We've already assisted in the reconquest of several Karags, a Karak isn't that much of a step up.

It'll certainly help the reconquest if the Warboss of the Bloody Spears suddenly comes down with a fatal case of stabbed-itis. Along with all of his successors.
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I'd be careful about thinking that will be easy. We managed to do really well in k8p partially because there was a whole nother war, and a civil war going on. (Orks against skaven, and skaven against skaven)
Silverspear has been held by one tribe for at least several hundred years and their night goblins so sneaking is their forte.
 
Guile said:
I'm a little worried about Mount Silverspear, to be honest. The only way that's going to go is slow, grinding progress, which doesn't play to our strengths at all.
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Two things:

1: K8P was also going to be a slow, grinding progress until it very suddenly wasn't.

2: There is one trait in Mathilde's character sheet that's very suited for a slow, grindy warfare with constant casualties.
 
Although it would be a big stretch, with appropriate protection (and payment), a deployment of Eonir mages might help a lot with the Silver Road War.

And I'm not just thinking of conventional battle magic here. The combination of the Eyes for real time surveillance and magical prediction of the near future from elven seers might synergise very well indeed, as you can use one to better target the other.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr: The Ten Kingdoms of Ulthuan, the Kingdom of Nehekhara, Naval Warfare


Not against Backfill, kind of want to transcribe the other potentially relevant libraries on the list before doing it though. Granted this can also apply to Barak Barr purchases, so overall meh.
 
Boney said:
I think a major wire must have been crossed somewhere if people are seeing 'League of Nations' and being puzzled at the idea of such an effective and powerful steward of world peace and prosperity being unleashed upon the world.
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I think one of the wires involved is "being in a Quest", where the protagonists are almost always unusually well informed, honest, agentic, effective, self-aware, privy to objective narration, packed with metaknowledge and foreknowledge, protected from crippling injury in battle or similar failure out of nowhere for nondramatic reasons, have precise quantification of traits on a character sheet, et cetera. Average SV protagonist is consistently better than canon when it's in a canon divergence. This distorts people's expectations of the protagonist and to a lesser extent the protagonist's 'side'.
 
Exmorri said:
I think one of the wires involved is "being in a Quest", where the protagonists are almost always unusually well informed, honest, agentic, effective, self-aware, privy to objective narration, packed with metaknowledge and foreknowledge, protected from crippling injury in battle or similar failure out of nowhere for nondramatic reasons, have precise quantification of traits on a character sheet, et cetera. Average SV protagonist is consistently better than canon when it's in a canon divergence. This distorts people's expectations of the protagonist and to a lesser extent the protagonist's 'side'.
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In the case of Warhammer quests, Warhammer Dynasty was certainly a tone-setter, what with it's Pacific Rim Jaegers and the multiple 'team-up to fight our mutual foes' plots (Druchii in Sartosa, Beastmen in the Empire, etc)
 
Tobtorp said:
You definitely should have lead with this quote instead of just insisting.
Kak did shed lots of it's normal modus operandi but not as much as you think. The silver road is a free for all their happy to found but the dwarf hold is a dwarven matter and that's final.
As for the league of nations I think it wants to be closer to a NATO light then any help of reconquest.
But that's just speculation from me so I gonna ask Boney.

Does Thorgrim actually want a full league of nations or more of a "if the waaaghs start rolling up again you better send someone!" Type of deal?
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I did. I wrote the post that started this entire discussion. That post included the League of Nations comparison. The Silver Road and Mad Dog Pass are free for alls. The Silver Road and Mad Dog Pass have a series of large fortresses that are more similar to small modern Karaks than mere fortressses.

Each of the fallen Dwarf Karaks holds a nexus and Thorgrim agreed to disclose their existence. I doubt he is going to act as if the Karaz Ankor doesn't claim Karak Ungor or Karag Agilwutraz. Disclosing the nexuses the Karaz Ankor controls would also make it obvious about what the other Karaks have. I doubt that Thorgrim would invite more friends to retake Karag Agilwutraz. But other Karaks like Ungor? That is a lot more in the realms of possibility.

Boney pointed out that whether Thorgrim will succeed is in question, but at least he has the advantage of being less racist than Woodrow Wilson.

Alratan said:
Although it would be a big stretch, with appropriate protection (and payment), a deployment of Eonir mages might help a lot with the Silver Road War.

And I'm not just thinking of conventional battle magic here. The combination of the Eyes for real time surveillance and magical prediction of the near future from elven seers might synergise very well indeed, as you can use one to better target the other.
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It would be justified under the Bohka Palace Accords, but I don't either of them would be interested. If they want mages they can go to the Colleges. Laurelorn is very far away from Karak-a-Karak. The Karaz Ankor also just doesn't know Laurelorn very well.

If Laurelorn is going to help with any nexus reclamation, I'd bet it would be the ones in the Forest of Shadows, like the Brass Keep or the Tower of Melkhior.
 
MrHobbit said:
If Laurelorn is going to help with any nexus reclamation, I'd bet it would be the ones in the Forest of Shadows, like the Brass Keep or the Tower of Melkhior.
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Well, the ONE thing is it's another excuse for a foreign adventure that you'd presumably not get your citizenship stripped away for going on. On that basis, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people pushing for it.
 
silentorphan said:
After thinking a bit on the Albion news, I keep picturing something like this.

Several years later in-quest...
Journeywoman Eike: "I went on a bote trip! 😍"
Lady Magister Weber: "Ah. Well done."
Journeywoman Eike: "I found Albion!"
Lady Magister Weber: "Uh, well done?"
Journeywoman Eike: "It's my graduation proof!"
Lady Magister Weber: "......I'm beginning to fear for what you're planning for your Grandmasterpiece."
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She did have a hilariously cute reaction to her first encounter with Skaven.

Boney said:
Mathilde looks at Qrech and sees his cunning and tenacity and ambition and mistrust and up until this exact conversation if given a chance he'd probably still kill and eat her if he thought he stood a chance of getting back to Clan Moulder with a story that made him look good. Eike sees oh my god look at his little paws, his little inkstained paws, and his little whiskers and oh my god his little GLASSES and oh my god he thinks he's dying because none of them live long enough to get old so he doesn't know what getting old is oh my god what is the protocol for rats do you cuddle them or pat them or what
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Personally my money is leading a Skaven slave revolt in the Vaults through the magic of misplaced compassion and accidental critical successes, starting a new Skaven civil war as the last one winds down, securing the Empire's trade routes to Tilea, relieving the Dwarfs in the region from constant war and giving the Emperor a massive headache about how the hell he's meant to reward her for this Great Deed or sign the treaties with the rebels she's negotiated without breaking the Conspiracy of Silence. That's about right for Mathilde's heir.
 
reignonyrparade said:
Well, the ONE thing is it's another excuse for a foreign adventure that you'd presumably not get your citizenship stripped away for going on. On that basis, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people pushing for it.
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The requirement can be waived. Sarvoi visited Karak Eight Peaks, I'm sure that he wasn't able to travel to Eight Peaks and back in less than a day even on the gyrocopter. It would also be difficult to muster armies if the cityborn couldn't spend months out on campaign doing military stuff.

thisisinsane said:
Isn't the former Drakwald providence that presumably has at least one fallen Nexus literally right next door to Laurelorn?
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It might have a fallen nexus, but we don't know. The closest confirmed nexus is the Brass Keep. The Brass Keep is in Middenland, so there is a precedent of military cooperation. There would also be one for in the Drakwald.

Boney made a list of confirmed elf and dwarf colonies in the Golden Age, before the War of the Ancients. It's not a complete list and I am not sure if it is complete. There might have also been a few changes since then. It corresponds to this map. Angaz Baragdum might have a nexus, but it's in southern Middenland. I'd be surprised if there weren't settlements along the Sith Rionasc - Athel Maraya road, but there's nothing confirmed.

I also don't know if Mathilde knows that entire list in character or not. She knows some of them, like Kazad Kro and Athel Maraya. I really think there is a nexus in Athel Toralien, but it'd be underwater if it is still there.
 
MrHobbit said:
The requirement seems to be waived if you are acting in the name of the Queen. Sarvoi visited Karak Eight Peaks, I'm sure that he wasn't able to travel to Eight Peaks and back in less than a day even on the gyrocopter. It would also be difficult to muster armies if the cityborn couldn't spend months out on campaign doing military stuff.
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... Yes, which is why I said there are probably people within the Eonir who would push for them to get involved, simply because it's another change to go out and do that sort of thing.
 
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