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That's incorrect.

-Uniforms and Heraldry of the High Elves (8th edition)
Hm. That's inconsistent with the other sources to my knowledge. Every High Elf army book except 6th Edition says these exact words: "[Nagarythe/The Shadowlands] is uninhabited but for wanderers and beasts." Tears of Isha also says it is uninhabited. While 6th Edition states that Shadowlanders are entirely nomads in the Shadow Warrior description.
 
Now the question becomes, do we think we can be impressive enough to actually pull some Shadow Warrior asses out of various fires and engender some goodwill? Yeah, I do, because we've recently developed a sword style that is literally designed to fuck over people who are expert fighters, and we have a trait that gives us a solid bonus to counterspelling Dhar-users. We've kind of accidentally optimized ourselves for fighting Dark Elves, when you think about it.
I've been pretty meh about Elfcation so far, but I'm coming around on it. I actually would like to do it soon. Seems like we have enough assets to do damage and it's time for a new adventure.
 
Think it's worth dropping 1AP and some CF to pick up Spoken Druhir before the Elfcation? Not as any kind of pre-requisite where we're adding more conditions before a vote to leave. Just as a nice-to-have; if we're doing anything scouty where we'll be overhearing Druchii, knowing what they're saying might be useful.
Mathilde's Eltharin might be enough for the purpose given the strong linguistic overlap, though.
 
Think it's worth dropping 1AP and some CF to pick up Spoken Druhir before the Elfcation? Not as any kind of pre-requisite where we're adding more conditions before a vote to leave. Just as a nice-to-have; if we're doing anything scouty where we'll be overhearing Druchii, knowing what they're saying might be useful.
Mathilde's Eltharin might be enough for the purpose given the strong linguistic overlap, though.
If we're doing last-minute prep I'd rather get fucking-with-Druchii lessons from Walther Khupfer.
 
Think it's worth dropping 1AP and some CF to pick up Spoken Druhir before the Elfcation? Not as any kind of pre-requisite where we're adding more conditions before a vote to leave. Just as a nice-to-have; if we're doing anything scouty where we'll be overhearing Druchii, knowing what they're saying might be useful.
Mathilde's Eltharin might be enough for the purpose given the strong linguistic overlap, though.
Mathilde's Eltharin is almost certainly sufficient to the task:
Druhir is pretty much Eltharin with an accent. There's a lot of loanwords from Black Speech, but most of them are for concepts, practices and pastimes that have no place in polite conversation.
The nice thing is that even if we don't know what the Black Speech loanword we overhear is, we know that if we overhear "So the plan is that at midnight we go north and and [Black Speech loanwords]" then probably it doesn't involve throwing anyone a surprise birthday party.
 
Mathilde's Eltharin is almost certainly sufficient to the task:

The nice thing is that even if we don't know what the Black Speech loanword we overhear is, we know that if we overhear "So the plan is that at midnight we go north and and [Black Speech loanwords]" then probably it doesn't involve throwing anyone a surprise birthday party.
It might be one of the shadow warriors birthdays?
 
That was the Spellburner Rune. The Rune of Rancour is "I am tougher and also any hit scored on me goes double hard on you," which was kind of irrelevant against Alkharad because unlike Mathilde he doesn't really need his internal organs. mathymancer is entirely correct; it has never really done much "on screen" because we just haven't really been meleed by enemies to whom the Rune's payback matters.
TBF, the increased toughness has likely come into play whenever a hit gets past Mathilde's Aethyric Armour. Not as flashy as the spite effect, but a solid and reliable benefit.
 
Personally I want to hold off on the Elfcation until we no longer have an apprentice
Exact opposite for me. Eike speaks Eltharin, loves boats, and is a merchant heiress. Lothern is one of the coolest places to send her to, and I'd rather it happen while we're on the same continent at least. Like, it's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Elfcation!
 
Exact opposite for me. Eike speaks Eltharin, loves boats, and is a merchant heiress. Lothern is one of the coolest places to send her to, and I'd rather it happen while we're on the same continent at least. Like, it's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Elfcation!
honestly if we don't think she will be able to handle herself in Lothern then I think we have failed as a master then imo
 
I want to bring Eike, Max and Johann to Lotharn. Maybe Engrimm if he wants to go. But i want Max buying books, Johann making friends, and Eike studying boats. But I want Mathilde to go with an all the gold possible so I want to do the Ilthimar action these coming turn for money. Because Lotharn is the most expensive city in the world and has access to a lot of things we would want.
 
I doubt Marienburg is going to risk working with the Drukhari, at least directly, but it would be very easy for them to start working with Norscan tribes to try to hinder the Empire's imports through Kislev. The Elfcation might be an opportunity to make some contacts to investigate and testify to that kind of bullshit so Ulthuan brings down the hammer.
 
I doubt Marienburg is going to risk working with the Drukhari, at least directly, but it would be very easy for them to start working with Norscan tribes to try to hinder the Empire's imports through Kislev.
That would be very, very risky for them. Like it is easy to spin that as aiding Chaos, which is basically as big a problem as helping the dark elves in terms of how the High Elves would react.
 
honestly if we don't think she will be able to handle herself in Lothern then I think we have failed as a master then imo
She can handle herself alone basically anywhere that isn't, like, super dangerous, but while she's our apprentice, I'd still prefer to be on the same continent as her rather than not! And there's an easy way for both of us to go to Ulthuan and do fun things separately, and then hear about what she did because she's still our Apprentice (I also really wanna hear that ngl) rather than a Journeywoman going her separate way and crossing paths with us only occasionally. (I really understand how Regimand felt when he wanted to just spend time with us...)
 
i'm for a elfcation, post waystone project. i think it makes the most sense to not leave for 3 months until things are set up to continue without our direct input. or in other words, once we have a prototype and distribution (manufacturing) plan. the latter part probably best uses the Vlag Great Boon, on account of the absurd number of low level runesmiths that would make the runic components (which are good but normally slow to make because there arent many who can make them, even if the designs are simple by dwarven standards) relatively cheap to manufacture.

im also 100%, unironically in favor of Father-Elfcation. on account of the fact that i find the reasoning for the lady being the second daughter to be convincing, even if it's mostly lighthearted speculation. at the very least, going over with the Father aspect would allow us to confirm negative results on any of the elven pantheon members we check being the daughter. so we could then look elsewhere. at best, we have an in with the lady, and thus all of brettonia for the second stage waystone roleout (and future world saving projects).

we also dont need the other aspects for anything. the Gambler would be good for 1-2 things, but elfcation seems like a anti-dark elven murder break (a break that involves murder, not a break from murder) and the Gambler is less good at the fighty stuff. The Protector would give us more positive rep in the region and possibly all over Ulthuan but it mostly reinforces a best possible interpretation of our actions. hopefully, our competence will be able to speak for itself. even without widespread recognition, we would still have our bonds with whomever we fight with directly and that matters more (and we would have even without the Protector), in my opinion anyway.
 
I want to bring Eike, Max and Johann to Lotharn. Maybe Engrimm if he wants to go. But i want Max buying books, Johann making friends, and Eike studying boats. But I want Mathilde to go with an all the gold possible so I want to do the Ilthimar action these coming turn for money. Because Lotharn is the most expensive city in the world and has access to a lot of things we would want.
I mostly agree but I would leave Max behind and just have Eike search for contacts to buy books. Max is good to dictate to and research with, but he wants to be able to work on his magically enhanced smithing and his work for us is just his job to pay the bills. I don't think he would volunteer for a long sea voyage where he doesn't have his workshop so he would probably only come if we ordered him to do so. Johann seems to enjoy making new friends and exploring new places, so I think it makes sense for him to go so Eike has someone to turn to if she needs help in Lothern while we are of fighting in the grim darkness of Nagarythe.

Max citation:
To Max, working for Mathilde is the day job that pays the bills while he pursues his art in his free time. It's a good day job, well-paid and respectable and meaningful and with people he likes, but he doesn't define himself by it. His life, at least how he sees it, is centered around the forge and the anvil. As long as the demands of the job don't encroach on his art, he'd be happy to stick with it.
 
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Erengrad is ALREADY an established functional port, the sort of "working with Nosrcans" they'd need to do is going way further than sabotage of the attempted northern empire ports involved.
 
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