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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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-[X] A clause shall be inserted into the Bokha Palace Accords which will require each signatory to maintain a member of their government as an expert on the Waystones and the Bokha Palace Accords. The duties of this expert shall consist of:
1. Maintaining correspondence relating to Waystones and the state of the Waystone Network with their equivalents in other signatory nations.
2. Keeping abreast of the Waystone situation in their country.
3. Quickly conveying the concerns and questions of their peers in other signatory nations to their respective governments, and expressing their own promptly.
4. Ensuring that knowledge relating to the Waystone Network is not lost within their nation.
5. Representing their nation in any meeting of the Bokha Palace Signatories.
Beyond this, every detail relating to the Waystone Experts is left in the hands of the respective signatory nations.



In my mind, this is an inexpensive, easy way to set the project up for long-lasting success. As I've said before, this will mainly serve to lubricate the fulfillment of the accords by making it so that experts can get in direct contact with each other and quell any issues before they become major problems.

TL;DR: Make it so that every signatory has to have a person whose job it is to keep up correspondence with the other nations about the Waystone project.
 
[x] Yes

I say go with it and take the win instead of trying to add on things. These is huge and can lead to other things. But we will need a waystone that can be massed produce first.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Find a way to subtly honor Ranald and Halétha in the final copy of the Accords.

(I know it's not standard, but I feel like this a way to do "I like the text of the document, but I'd like to toy with the final embellishments," a la the Illumination or otherwise talking to a scribe about the official copy.)
 
[X] Yes

I wonder if Eltharion is going to stick around long enough to talk shop about Greenskins and how to kill them. The fact that if they invade or infest a place thoroughly enough they become almost (or actually) an ecosystem, making rooting them out hard because dead orcs just return to the ecosystem in a certain sense (as one post here theorized). And especially their magic and how to counter it, as that's what we were quite aware of.
 
I really liked the suggestion that Redshirt had, both for the future-proofing part and for slipping in an 'X' to tip our hat to everything Ranald's done for the Project without being overt about it.

But adding on two whole clauses just so we can get to Number 10 just seems a bit cludgy, especially since we didn't really have any solid ideas for what that second added clause would even be. Why not just go for a total of nine, since the numbering on that would cross the threshold into adding an X too?

[X] No
-[X] Specify why:
--[X] Add another clause, inserted before the currently final Clause 8:
--[X] A Clause pushing for some commitment between signatories to maintain participation in a forum where waystone information can be shared. The commitment doesn't have to be as in-depth as the current Waystone Project, but it should basically act as a backstop to make it easier to create a "Waystone Project 2.0" if the need arises once again some centuries down the line, and reduce the chances of the project falling apart if Mathilde gets killed in the near future. Having a diplomatic line open should reduce the chances of hostilities between parties, too.
--[X] Have the clauses be denoted with Classical numbering, such that the final Clause is denoted with an "IX".
 
[] No
-[] write a second treaty on the back of the page in invisible ink proclaiming Ranald to be the most coolest god ever, way better than any of the losers on the front and promising him and his followers unlimited access to all books at request
 
Garlak said:
I wonder if Eltharion is going to stick around long enough to talk shop about Greenskins and how to kill them. The fact that if they invade or infest a place thoroughly enough they become almost (or actually) an ecosystem, making rooting them out hard because dead orcs just return to the ecosystem in a certain sense (as one post here theorized). And especially their magic and how to counter it, as that's what we were quite aware of.
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Eltharion and Mathilde teaming up to invent aerosolized, gyrocopter-deployable fungicidal agents ending unlocked?
 
[X] No
-[X] Change article to These accords are made and signed under the sight of the Ancient Widow and Dazh, Asuryan and Hoeth, Grungni and Thungni, Ranald and Verena, and Isha and Hekarti.

Sigmar's light does not shine on these accords.
 
Blackout said:
If you just want to conquer Marienburg because you believe it will strengthen the Empire in the long run, or you just like the Empire/dislike Marienburg, I disagree but I can see where you're coming from.

But I strenuously object to the notion of conquering Marienburg because it's "right" or because "they deserve it".

As for myself, I believe that a war between the Empire and Marienburg/Ulthuan will not benefit anyone and is likely to weaken the Forces of Order significantly.

I believe that with the two canals weakening Marienburg's monopoly, greater rapproachment with Ulthuan and the eradication of the Chaos cult that was most likely behind the worst of the tension-stoking between the two nations, Marienburg has largely been defanged, and matters should be left to cool off. The Empire has bigger things to be worrying about than Marienburg, and a diplomatic solution can be revisited later down the line once relations have had time to normalize. In my mind, ideally this would take the form of a treaty recognizing Marienburg's independence in exchange for free passage of naval forces, cooperation against Chaos incursions and reasonable limits on what tariffs they can impose, but other options can be explored depending on the political climate at the time, and even letting status quo stand indefinitely is in my mind preferable to starting a war (assuming of course that circumstances do not change radically from what I described).
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Your argument seems to be that the reason a war against Marienburg would not have a moral high ground is that sabotage and tariffs are not worse than a war of conquest. So Hypothetically if we could do to Marienburg what they did to those other towns and villages i.e. get them brutally murdered by Norscans we paid off and have them starve because we strangled their trade that would be fine? All's well as long as our hands are not directly stained red.

That does not seem to track.
 
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[X] Yes
World Illusion said:
if we rewrite the clauses to spell out mathilde's name with the first letter, and sign the bottom with an X, it's a double prank. we can pass off our different signature as us just wanting to get the signing over with (it's much faster than our full name) but it's actually the symbol of our patron. which gets Ranald onto a historically significant treaty not in the place of the observer deities upholding the contract, but in the signatory space of it's authors and architects, which seems more applicable to him considering his direct involvement in making things possible. it's got plausible deniability (we might get some side eye but i doubt anyone will do more than sigh) and we don't lose historical recognition because our name is in the body of the agreement like a cheeky cipher! it's a great plan :V
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We aren't signing the accords, though. It was mentioned that they would be signed by the heads of state of each signatory. So for the Empire it would be signed by Emperor Luitpold.
 
DragonParadox said:
Your argument seems to be that the reason a war against Marienburg would not have a moral high ground is that sabotage and tariffs are not worse than a war of conquest. So Hypothetically if we could do to Marienburg what they did to those other towns and villages i.e. get them brutally murdered by Norscans we paid off and have them starve because we strangled their trade that would be fine? All's well as long as out hands are not directly stained red.

That does not seem to track.
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I mean Druchi has already offered to help with that. If you know we decide to lower ourself to Marienburg level.
 
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