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The other issue to consider is that the half saucer requires a secondary hull which is going to be more expensive and time intensive for production. If we want to have a slicker military focused design, the full saucer is the better design.
 
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[X] Full Saucer
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As much as I'd like an Arrowhead, it seems like a better design for a frigate/light-cruiser, not a battleship :cry:
 
[X] Half-Saucer
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While full coverage is great for a Jack of all ship, it has the same problem the Nx and Stingrays do. Lack of firepower. Romulans can't keep up with us unless they are out of cloak, which means our blind spots only matter on the defensive. However, their defenses are always going to affect the fight. So, we MUST have a ship that can burst down their shields quickly. Full coverage is great for point defense, but we're not making an escort. We're making something to tear shields to epitaphs at record speed. Point defense is something we'll need either NX or up gunned Stingrays to handle, as an uncloaking Romulan is going to just perish if they do so while inside a firing arc as their shields take time to come up.

We need our DN to do two things. Burst DPS down enemy defense and to take a lot of hits. Full saucer doesn't really help that.
 
Command Deck, UES Enterprise, 2 Weeks Post-Brasilia

Captain Taisa Shevchuk of the UES Endeavor always preferred being in space. It gave her a... distance from her old home, a ruined place even still, that she'd found from the beginning she needed. Space had given her a home that she could explore without fear. Fear of old weapons, of wary survivors, of the lingering dread of war.

The Endeavor had given her the wings to fly through this new home of hers, and she'd been proud to be its captain. Now, looking out at the shipyards that tended to her ship, along with all those that had taken part in the defense of that home she still cared for to one extent or another, she couldn't help but feel that the dread that she had so desperately avoided here in space had decided to follow her up anyway.

The door to the bridge hissed open, and she looked back to see a Vulcan woman stepping through the door. "Captain Shevchuk," T'Pol said with the signature level tone all Vulcans seemed so expertly to wield. She paused, however, for just a moment. "How is your ship?"

Taisa smiled slightly. "The shipyards made her tough. It isn't going to take much to bring her back up to fighting form."

The smile vanished on the gale of a weary sigh. "Fighting form," she muttered, scoffing at the turn of phrase. "I thought we wouldn't have to worry about that so much up here."

"Did you have family or friends in New Brasilia?" T'Pol asked as she came alongside Taisa.

Taisa shook her head. "No, no. My family's from Europe. Though Ukraine, these days, is only slightly less irradiated than South America is now."

"Your part of Earth is still hostile?"

Taisa chuckled darkly. "Only as hostile as caution dictates. All of Europe is familiar with war. All of Europe, I think, is as tired of it as I am. And now, we get to go to war again. This time, against an entirely alien force, instead of our brothers and sisters."

It was silent for a moment as they both studied the ships before them. Broken for the moment, but unbowed in the face of such brazen evil as cobalt-salted munitions could prove.

"I have a friend in the Starfleet Design Bureau," Taisa said somewhat unprompted. "Says it's been a right mess, coming up with something since the attack. He swears they've almost gone to war against themselves at times. But now, we're drawing up a new ship. A bigger one than anything we've made before."

T'Pol frowned slightly. "An instinctual response to danger. Many species share the same tactic, of enlarging themselves through various means to seem more dangerous."

Taisa shrugged. "Maybe so. Call it human nature to try something like that. But a decision's been made now. No stopping that. And we'll end this as quickly as possible with this new... battleship? Dreadnought? They're still quibbling over the class designation."

"A logical decision," T'Pol remarked. "Given your species' past with warfare, I would have thought you would attempt something more... extreme."

"It's not hard to think that, is it?" Taisa said. "Given how we've almost exterminated ourselves. But enough people are tired of war. I'm tired of war. After everything, everyone, it's taken from me? From us? No. We'll strike, and we'll leave. Get on to... spreading our wings again."

She hoped it would be true. If nothing else, for those waiting for her on the other side, she'd make it as quick as she could. And damn those baying for innocent blood if they got in her way.
 
Wolfyhuskydog said:
Maybe the half saucer could be somewhat deformed, to make it function somewhat closer to the arrowhead?
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I suggest you re-read the threadmark. The half saucer already keeps most of the arrowhead firepower as well as giving it the same space for engines. The final shape of the primary hull is always chosen by the QM, and not something we actually create/define in detail.
 
The Half Saucer would have the same forward firing arcs as the Full Saucer, so I'm not seeing where and how people think it would have "more firepower" or "burst DPS" to "bust down shields" that the Full Saucer would not. It's a compromise option that doesn't really retain a lot of advantages of either other option, not a "have your cake and eat it too" option.
 
[X] Arrowhead

I just think they're neat. Also, massive Phasers are always a good option for deleting a sudden ambush.

Also, a good name for the class would be the Brasilia-Class
 
Cavalier said:
The Half Saucer would have the same forward firing arcs as the Full Saucer, so I'm not seeing where and how people think it would have "more firepower" or "burst DPS" to "bust down shields" that the Full Saucer would not. It's a compromise option that doesn't really retain a lot of advantages of either other option, not a "have your cake and eat it too" option.
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"Full saucer would encourage spreading out the guns for greater coverage as the cost ability to sheild pop reliablity" is the thought some of the half saucer lobby is worried about.
 
I still think the full saucer is the way to go. There's just plain more stuff to put Torpedoes and guns and a big chonker of a Warp core to power all of those guns. Maybe we might be tempted to spread the guns out for maximum coverage, but why not just use all that real estate to put more guns?
 
I voted for not-full-saucer primarily for aesthetics, I will admit. It's probably just me, but in my mind:
Full-Saucer is for multirole
Half-Saucer is for single role of any type.
Arrowhead is for dedicated warships.
 
Lavaflow said:
I voted for not-full-saucer primarily for aesthetics, I will admit. It's probably just me, but in my mind:
Full-Saucer is for multirole
Half-Saucer is for single role of any type.
Arrowhead is for dedicated warships.
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My thinking a few updates ago is that arrowhead would be used for messengers and short range platatary defense craft.

Full Saucer is for explorers
Half saucer for our warships
Sphere for sciance and pure utility
 
Full saucer best fits the idea of "able to fight multiple combatants at once," along with the most shooty action you could ask for.
It presents the potential for expansive phase cannon coverage of all surrounding vectors and firing lines as well as a much reduced minimal firepower threshold. Any attacker would inevitably be attacked right back, with no major weak points to exploit.
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It also gives rapid response in case of another cloaked alpha strike situation.
 
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Cornuthaum said:
They went on a suicide run to do this. They very explicitly did this and it left them wide open to get absolutely mullered. Meanwhile "oh yeah, the [thing that starfleet canonically spends inordinate amounts of time trying, but never actually managing, to counter] will be easily countered" is wishful thinking.
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It's also not what I said. At all.
 
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