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But we *have* to do trains. Y'all *voted* to make it a plan promise.
We can do trains a little later, but we do have to do them.
We can do trains a little later, but we do have to do them.
That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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Barondoctor
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I don't believe I did. (Just checked the tally and I didn't.) At the time I had a number of family issues which led to decreased participation in probably all quests around that time.
What problems would come from saying "we thought when we made the plan that trains were a good idea, with the technology and knowledge we now have we are selecting to prioritize other things because they are not as good an idea as we believed they were. The world has changed and the ways we pursue our goals must also change," making public the "train cost estimates" and "what we will get instead of trains" and then just quietly burying everything train related?
This trains thing looks like an enormous boondoggle that might have a place in a different Communist Utopia but really doesn't belong here.
The last time I felt planning had gone so far awry as to require me making a plan was stopping Universal Building in favor of LSEEH. Head in the clouds vs the good we can do now.
Train feels like head in the clouds. Mag-lev in particular caught my ire because in OTL the first ordinary use Mag-Lev (not "is it possible", not tech-wank, not exhibitions made to score political points, but ordinary basic everyday Mag-Lev) was 1984's Birmingham (UK) Maglev which went 600 meters in total as a low-speed shuttle which had a number of favorable conditions I'm not sure we could leverage for ourselves.
I'm not sure what the "good we can do now" option is. What about light rail, trolleys and trams and the like?
What problems would come from saying "we thought when we made the plan that trains were a good idea, with the technology and knowledge we now have we are selecting to prioritize other things because they are not as good an idea as we believed they were. The world has changed and the ways we pursue our goals must also change," making public the "train cost estimates" and "what we will get instead of trains" and then just quietly burying everything train related?
This trains thing looks like an enormous boondoggle that might have a place in a different Communist Utopia but really doesn't belong here.
The last time I felt planning had gone so far awry as to require me making a plan was stopping Universal Building in favor of LSEEH. Head in the clouds vs the good we can do now.
Train feels like head in the clouds. Mag-lev in particular caught my ire because in OTL the first ordinary use Mag-Lev (not "is it possible", not tech-wank, not exhibitions made to score political points, but ordinary basic everyday Mag-Lev) was 1984's Birmingham (UK) Maglev which went 600 meters in total as a low-speed shuttle which had a number of favorable conditions I'm not sure we could leverage for ourselves.
I'm not sure what the "good we can do now" option is. What about light rail, trolleys and trams and the like?
HeroCooky
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Cyber forgot to put them in. So Jungmin had a jolly good time spending extra time with his family and relaxing a bit.
Guangchou is a revolutionary communist nation that attained its new government by violent revolution and mass-murder of all that tried to stop you. You have already incited a continent-wide revolutionary struggle and actively intervened with military force against those acting against communist or socialist regimes and governments. Jungmin is an idealist, but that is a flaw of his character, alongside being vindictive. He will see no problems with helping the working class rise against their opressors, by any means neccessary, because he knows they (Guangchou/CyPac) can then help them avoid most, if not all, pitfalls of a post-revolutionary struggle.
My guy. It is literally "Trains 101." Nobody is going to say MagLev! (at least on my watch) when you don't even have an ordinary rail network, period. Which is what this Mega-Project is about: building a rail network that currently doesn't exist.
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Yeah. The idea that a national rail system is gonna be a boondoggle is laughable enough I'm not even gonna bother rebutting that.
Nobody's talking about building gadgetbahns here.
Nobody's talking about building gadgetbahns here.
[X] Plan: The Worker's Plan for Revitalizing the Veins of the Glorious Democratic People's Republic of Guangchou Both Economic And Literal Through All-Encompassing Healthcare and Popular Production, And The Stabilization Of Communism In Our Allies
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Ok, variant on this plan that leaves trains for the next turn in exchange for language rationalization:
[X] Plan: No Train Today, Train Tomorrow
-[X] Infrastructure
--[X] Create New Housing (Helpful)
---[X] Use Large-Scale Energy Efficient Housing (Helpful) (+1 People's Opinion) (+1 Reputation)
More housing to help with refugee integration. This will be the first big batch of housing to have the new heath centred features implemented.
-[X] Light Industry
--[X] Democratically Selected Consumer Goods Factory Complex (+2 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
Same as above.
-[X] Military
--[X] Construct Military Building/Factory Complex (What) (Harmful) (-3 People's Opinion)
---[X] Construct Steel Leopard Factory Complex (-4 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
Same as above.
-[X] Social
--[X] Refugee Integration (+3 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
Same as above.
--[X] Rationalize the Language (Mega-Project - 5/5 Actions) (+5 People's Opinion) (Bonus: +1 PttF + 2 Education = +3)
This it, the big one to help educate people faster. Expanding Adult Education should help, and both of those should help with Refugee Integration.
I'm assuming this takes the education bonus? Let me know if not, HC.
--[X] Expand Adult Education (-2 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF + 2 Education = +3)
This is to help with the language rationalization, as well as the reduction in working hours/jobs that we've got going on due to automation. Retraining adults by sending them back to school will help in both cases.
--[X] Consumer Goods Bureau (-3 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
Same as above.
--[X] Support the Automation Debate (-1 Reputation, -1 Public Opinion) (Bonus: +1 PttF +2 Education = +3)
Right now our citizens are having a big debate about how to handle the reduction in labour hours that automation has brought on. We can support their efforts and encourage this sort of democratic decision making by supporting them with information on various potential ways to deal with it, setting aside resources to run experiments to see what works on a small scale, etc.
Not sure if this should get the education bonus?
-[X] Political
--[X] China Refugee Outreach (-2 Repuation, +1 People's Opinion) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
Provide food and shelter, and if the front lines have moved far enough start trying to get reconstruction going. Get labor councils going to help organize and administer services in the interim and support them materially as best we can. Try to garner some good will.
Same as Carcer's suggestion.
-[X] CyPac
--[X] Military Intervention - South Yemen (Optional: Volunteer Forces) (+2 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
---[X] No Volunteer Forces
--[X] Optional Military Intervention - Mozambique (Optional: Volunteer Forces) (+1 Reputation) (Bonus: +1 PttF)
---[X] No Volunteer Forces
Rationale same a above.
Edit: adding in the personal actions:
-[X] Wei Jungming - (RP)
--[X] Personal Action: Went with the family for a boat trip, Guangchou being an island there is a strong marine tradition, it's time to teach your children to fish, dive and sail
--[X] Personal Action: Tried out these newfangled arcades, incognito
--[X] Lover Action: Passed their airplane pilot and skydiving certificates together
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Barondoctor
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[X] Plan: No Train Today, Train Tomorrow
I'll trade green for not having there be a nasty learning curve for the language.
I'll trade green for not having there be a nasty learning curve for the language.
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[X] Plan: No Train Today, Train Tomorrow
HeroCooky
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This one is +3, it is only -3 due to you bombing the roll.
-2 Rep.CyberFemme said:
It should, and -1 PO and -1 Rep.CyberFemme said:
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Wait, should refugee integration also take the education bonus? It sounds like a lot of the actions are education based.
HeroCooky
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It is societal. While education is a part of it, there are far more areas to cover than learning a language and customs. Economic integration is a heavy part of it, with political initiatives too.
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They aren't, I just didn't have the spoons to come up with something. I'll probably just add yours to my plan when I have a moment.
Solarstream
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[X] Plan: No Train Today, Train Tomorrow
Lets just hire The Boring Company and build hyperloop, its the way of the future for mass transport!!!! (/s)
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Added personal and lover actions, not quite the same as Carcer's.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
So why, fundamentally speaking, is the brayton cycle a bad match for an MSR? What makes gas cooling bad for them aside from, like, the fact that you aren't going to directly pump air over the salt?
I know the brayton cycle has been suggested by some as a more efficient final thermodynamic cycle for reactors in general, since the rankine cycle is thermodynamically inefficient by its nature, so what makes replicating that performance with an MSR nonviable?
I know the brayton cycle has been suggested by some as a more efficient final thermodynamic cycle for reactors in general, since the rankine cycle is thermodynamically inefficient by its nature, so what makes replicating that performance with an MSR nonviable?
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Open Cycle brayton powerplants are a great option for cheap nuclear power because you avoid all the heat exchangers and condensers of Rankine or closed cycle Brayton.
But the R&D we did was on a closed cycle enriched nitrogen brayton cycle, because I didn't realize that was really best paired with a solid core high temp reactor where the enriched nitrogen would directly cool the reactor fuel elements.
To use it on our MSRs would mean pressurizing the reactor, which gives up one of the major benefits of MSRs: ambient pressure operation.
So instead we're going to insert an intermediate molten salt cooling loop to get the heat from the reactor to the brayton heat exchanger.
Then we're going to repurpose the R&D to make our submarine reactors - which are closed cycle by necessity.
The machinery we designed also turns out to have an operational point that makes it well suited to acting as an open bottoming cycle for gas turbines (MSR temperature is about 700-800C, which is similar to gas turbine exhaust), which is why we use that on our naval ships to make them more efficient.
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plotvitalnpc
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Ah, gotcha, cool.
Vote closed
1983 - H1 - The Cause Dies With You - 3
HeroCooky
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The Pentagon of the United States of America was, due to the currently ongoing Chinese Civil War and the threat posed by the Cybernetic Pact acting as a united military front in an aggressive international stage, not very relaxed in their day to day work or operations. Indeed, one could have said that stress and massive planning sessions for a multitude of suddenly viable scenarios could prove to be an enormous threat to American sovereignty and economic prosperity, not to speak about the dangers to the myriad countries whose independence is dependent on American weapons and American boots defending their democracy and freedoms from the depredations and atrocities of the communist world, were the norm of the day, as proven by the increase in pizza and fast food orders in the immediate area of the Pentagon.
And when 37 nuclear warheads had gone missing from the inventories and forces of the CCP, the internal McDonald's practically collapsed due to the amount of overtime and additional personnel being directed toward the problem. Not because the nuclear warheads that had gone missing from the CCP were no longer in their hands, mind you, but because they were not in the hands of the Chinese Republic as the various planners and alphabet-soup agencies had hoped to facilitate, so that they could force the CCP to accept a cease-fire or white peace to create a puppet state to provide a counter, or jump-off point, to the ascendant communist powers in Asia.
That stress ruined more than a few nights, with drinking and mental problems sharply rising through the roof as people scrambled to find out what happened to them. Yet, over the weeks, one by one, various nuclear warheads reported back, emerging from hidden boltholes, tunnels, depots, bureaucratic confusion, and the good old fog of war that had obscured their positions and movements while the assigned teams and defenders of these weapons had performed as they ought to in the case of the outbreak of hostilities.
Now, it could be said that the people would be pretty happy that most of the warheads had been found that the threat of nuclear war not in a controlled or limited manner located entirely within the Asian continent or China was diminished with every day.
It could also be said that the reports of nine of the trucks, squads, teams, and depots transporting, guarding, or storing these devices being destroyed, stolen, killed, missing, or obliterated would lead to an increase in the panic once more.
But what could not be said was that, for all their nervous watching and planning, the Pentagon was anything but idle and restricted to merely paper and reports.
After all, the Civil War was a messy occurrence that had already resulted in at least two million casualties in civilian and military personnel alike, dead and wounded counted as one, with the resulting...loss of specific machines of war.
Machines of war that a particular Small Asian Communist Nation had gone to great lengths to deny their enemies any insights into...and whose measures may not have held up as encompassing as they had hoped.
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[] Unité opérationnelle Morgenstern
[] *Confused General Dynamics Engineer Noises*
[] One Lone Girl
[] The Sacrificed General
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