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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Demigryph Knight
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire
 
Parabola said:
Regimand's shadow beard is an Arcane Mark and as such cannot be transmitted or taught. The only way we can really get Arcane Marks is to keep doing magic and get lucky when we miscast to handle it.
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Hmm, perhaps we can focus our efforts when we pick
[ ] Attempt to gain control of one of your Arcane Marks (specify which)
into our own "gathering smoke and dust" Arcane Mark such that we can shape it into an appropriately august beard.
That outcome most certainly warrants spending an Action Point, even in the current AP-hell.
 
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Boney said:
A fake intaglio is a series of flat stamps of different depths where if you stamp them all on a blob of wax in the right order it mostly looks like you pressed a proper three-dimensional signet ring into it. They're trying to figure out how to take magical photographs before regular photography exists so it's kind of a rough process, they have the basic idea of how to make a sort of single-Wind daguerreotype and then overlay eight of them to create a single image similar to something called chromoxylography, which also hasn't been invented yet (except in Cathay), or to project light through all of them at once like technicolour film.
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This isn't my area of expertise, but it seems to me they're either looking to layer colors, like you sometimes see when using screens to layer colors onto t-shirts.

Or, that their trying to combine or separate component waveforms (sound, light, etc), which would be Fourier Transforms iirc.

How feasible either of these applications would be for them, I have no idea, but it's where I'd start looking if I wanted to make it work.
 
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual

I don't have much of a horse in the apparition-form race; I don't want the Mounted Wraith, but that's behind enough that I'm not just going to vote for the other front-runners at the moment.
 
Boney said:
A fake intaglio is a series of flat stamps of different depths where if you stamp them all on a blob of wax in the right order it mostly looks like you pressed a proper three-dimensional signet ring into it. They're trying to figure out how to take magical photographs before regular photography exists so it's kind of a rough process, they have the basic idea of how to make a sort of single-Wind daguerreotype and then overlay eight of them to create a single image similar to something called chromoxylography, which also hasn't been invented yet (except in Cathay), or to project light through all of them at once like technicolour film.
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I wonder what carries the information from where the Wind is to the Wind sensitive material that forms the image. Presumably it's not the Wind itself, because the Winds blow more randomly than this. Something that behaves like light must presumably be being emitted by the Wind and absorbed by the Seviroscope plate.

An investigation for the far future might be to examine what these rays are and what properties they have.

Boney said:
They don't go out of their way to kill people that aren't using the type of magic they're after, but they're still dangerous to be around because they have the physicality of a metric ton of flesh and bone and they don't give any sort of shit about collateral damage.
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Sounds like it could be messy. This sounds like a more general problem that we'd have to solve in order for them to fight on a battlefield without accidentally trampling over allies.
 
Alratan said:
I wonder what carries the information from where the Wind is to the Wind sensitive material that forms the image. Presumably it's not the Wind itself, because the Winds blow more randomly than this. Something that behaves like light must presumably be being emitted by the Wind and absorbed by the Seviroscope plate.

An investigation for the far future might be to examine what these rays are and what properties they have.
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The setting probably isn't going to be solving the quantum mechanics of magic any time soon. There are equivalents in regular physics we haven't figured out yet, and that's when nobody has to worry about being eaten by Daemons if they look in the wrong place for a graviton.

Alratan said:
Sounds like it could be messy. This sounds like a more general problem that we'd have to solve in order for them to fight on a battlefield without accidentally trampling over allies.
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Not really. Cannonballs are similarly lacking in discrimination, yet they find their way onto battlefields quite often.
 
Boney said:
The setting probably isn't going to be solving the quantum mechanics of magic any time soon. There are equivalents in regular physics we haven't figured out yet, and that's when nobody has to worry about being eaten by Daemons if they look in the wrong place for a graviton.
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Well. Not that we know of at least. :V
 
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
-[X] Nondescript face, mist-shrouded
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
 
Great Cat Knight is something I love cause how visually distinct it is. Imagine fighting in a area with massive trees and those giant cat knights climbing up trees and jumping down to slam into lines of foes. They may not have the raw charging power but their ability for harassment is VERY high.
 
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
 
Boney said:
Not really. Cannonballs are similarly lacking in discrimination, yet they find their way onto battlefields quite often.
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I have to admit, I'd hoped that Apparitions were more controllable than cannonballs in flight. We bought them from the Gold College because they'd have a mind and so could make decisions, after all. It does seem that this really was a complete failure. If all they can do is indiscriminately kill anything in the direction they're pointed, even on a battlefield they're not going to be as useful as I, at least had hoped. Less a summoned ally and more another form of artillery spell.

If this ends up as non-mist battlemagic I can't see many cases where I'd want to cast the spell. I feel we'd probably have been better off with Penumbral Pendulum and spent our boon from the Golds on something more useful.
 
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Alratan said:
I have to admit, I'd hoped that Apparitions were more controllable than cannonballs in flight. We bought them from the Gold College because they'd have a mind and so could make decisions, after all. It does seem that this really was a complete failure. If all they can do is indiscriminately kill anything in the direction they're pointed, even on a battlefield they're not going to be as useful as I, at least had hoped. Less a summoned ally and more another form of artillery spell.
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What you're describing is pretty much what I expected out of the spell and was happy with.
The point of the Apparition is not to be less difficult than other Battle Magic. It's to have the difficulty take place outside of the battlefield, during the capture phase.

That roll we did in this update where Johann clotheslined the thing? That's the equivalent Battle Magic roll. We will have to do that every time we capture one, and if we roll badly, bad things happen. On the other hand, we won't have as much of a struggle when we let it loose.

That's the trade-off. That's what we bargained for.
 
Gavin Prince said:
What you're describing is pretty much what I expected out of the spell and was happy with.
The point of the Apparition is not to be less difficult than other Battle Magic. It's to have the difficulty take place outside of the battlefield, during the capture phase.

That roll we did in this update where Johann clotheslined the thing? That's the equivalent Battle Magic roll. We will have to do that every time we capture one, and if we roll badly, bad things happen. On the other hand, we won't have as much of a struggle when we let it loose.

That's the trade-off. That's what we bargained for.
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We could have bought artillery battle magic from the College, or better, developed mist based artillery battle magic like the corrosive fog spell that we could cast as if it were Fiendishly Complex. The later would reliably produced a safer to cast result than this as it would have worked with the Staff of Mistery.

The point of buying what turned out to be Apparitions was to get something with a mind so we could have spells that did discriminate, that did make choices. Burning Shadows is more capable of that than Apparitions seem to be. That, personally, is a disappointment.

Yes, we knew we didn't buy quite what we'd wanted when we saw the results. Now we're learning that we got nothing at all of what we wanted. Something as controllable as a cannon ball isn't going to be capable of things like being ordered to defend a choke point, or harass a particular monster, or whatever. It's going to try to kill what's in its face.
 
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Alratan said:
We could have bought artillery battle magic from the College, or better, developed mist based artillery battle magic like the corrosive fog spell that we could cast as if it were Fiendishly Complex. The later would reliably produced a safer to cast result than this as it would have worked with the Staff of Mistery.

The point of buying what turned out to be Apparitions was to get something with a mind so we could have spells that did discriminate, that did make choices. Burning Shadows is more capable of that than Apparitions seem to be. That, personally, is a disappointment.

Yes, we knew we didn't buy quite what we'd wanted when we saw the results. Now we're learning that we got nothing at all of what we wanted.
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I think the "we" is overstating it. You didn't get what you were expecting out of it. I'm sorry about that. Honestly—this isn't sarcasm. I'm sorry it wasn't what you expected.

I was not expecting a sapient mind out of this; just a dubiously-sentient one, capable of taking base orders. The whole talk with Gehenna made that clear, I thought. I'm honestly happy with what we got, as it's what I thought we were voting for to begin with.
 
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Gavin Prince said:
I think the "we" is overstating it. You didn't get what you were expecting out of it. I'm sorry about that. Honestly—this isn't sarcasm. I'm sorry it wasn't what you expected.

I was not expecting a sapient mind out of this; just a sentient one, capable of taking base orders. The whole talk with Gehenna made that clear, I thought. I'm honestly happy with what we got, as it's what I thought we were voting for to begin with.
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it was stated to be as capable of discrimination as a cannon ball. That's not a sentient mind capable of being ordered. You can train a dog to know who its friends and enemies are. You can train a dog to be able to only hurt people you order it to. You can train a dog to defend a location you specify in a command.

You can't order a cannonball to do any of that, and I thought we were getting something as capable of taking instruction as a dog.

And when we bought what turned out to be Apparition knowledge I believe the thread thought we were getting something that could do more that could be more discriminating than a cannonball.
 
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