Ivan the Not-so-Terrible
AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
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- Mikonyan’s USSR
[X] Enter into negotiations.
Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
- Thread starter Etranger
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What preparation could they ever come up with that would render our total military superiority null? What sort of industry do the Austrians and Russians possess that could rival our own? What we NEED is to replenish our supplies, and get international Goodwill for our acceptance of a ceasefire. Like seriously. Do people actually think the Russians can somehow use 3 months of ceasefire to turn the war around on it's head? Us continuing the fight in winter with little supplies, and possible Entente intervention in the form of money and guns for the Austrians and Russians is more Likely to hurt us than any trenchwork the Russians could come up with.
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Well, they could start copying Vogel's trench line tactics and definitely make any post winter offensive exponentially more costly in terms of lives and ammunitons to dislodge.
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- the Republic
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- He/They
As requested on Discord, things over which you will be able to negotiate (in addition to the existing offer): Austria Proper, Trieste, Slovenia, Istria, Galicia, Konigsberg, and possibly more.
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- New York
Give peace a chance! Give us Cisleithania and Poland! Franz Joseph may continue being King of Hungary and the Imperial League does not have to pay reparations except to the families of the lost ship. The Imperial League can accept a reasonable Danish style peace or continued war.
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That's acting like we haven't smashed through their trenchworks before, or have people forgotten that the German military trains on the assumption that it's fighting itself? We're likely already prepared to smash through Vogel style trenches.
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- Somewhere in the area
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[X] Refuse to negotiate.
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- France
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I have been informed that our dear QM has made it clear on discord that we will look somewhat better even if negotiations break down. Knowing that I'm willing to give it a spin. Maybe they're scared enough they'll give us what we want, maybe slowing down will keep Britain off our asses for one more round. Or maybe they'll explode during negotiations, their domestic situation can't be good.
[X] Enter into negotiations
My negotiation goals, in order, since that might be relevant soon (and if not, should inform our offensives).
- Bohemia (obviously)
- Core Poland
- Austrian Silesia (makes no sense for them to keep it)
- East Prussia (plenty of Germans left, better border with Russia, less ports for them)
- Austria proper, ideally including Slovenia (I want that land connection to Italy and there's a solid German unification argument)
- Better borders for Poland (Lvov probably, we'll have a hard time arguing for eastern Poland/historical Lithuania without holding it)
Dunno what kind of hardball demands we could add to make them give concessions. Reparations for their actions during our civil war?
[X] Enter into negotiations
My negotiation goals, in order, since that might be relevant soon (and if not, should inform our offensives).
- Bohemia (obviously)
- Core Poland
- Austrian Silesia (makes no sense for them to keep it)
- East Prussia (plenty of Germans left, better border with Russia, less ports for them)
- Austria proper, ideally including Slovenia (I want that land connection to Italy and there's a solid German unification argument)
- Better borders for Poland (Lvov probably, we'll have a hard time arguing for eastern Poland/historical Lithuania without holding it)
Dunno what kind of hardball demands we could add to make them give concessions. Reparations for their actions during our civil war?
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We have, but they've explicitly not only weren't the style of trench warfare that's just been developed but as Imperial League troops have begun copying German tactics, they've notably become more and more effective when it comes to their defensive lines, with our offensives getting progressively more difficult+bloody every quarter.
I wouldn't be suprised if we've 'prepared' to smash those style trenches, it's just kind of impossible to do without massive expenditures in manpower and munitions until certain advances in warfare happen regardless of individual elan.
WW1 wasn't such a difficult environment to make advances because all the armies just were really bad at warfare, it really is just that difficult and costly to advance against those sort of defensive works we're starting to see replicated with the tools of their (and our) time.
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I honestly don't get refusing to negotiate.There is literally no downside besides what, not taking Konigsberg over the winter at a surcharge in casualties because of the season? And in exchange we look better internationally, we pause to build up a shell stockpile, we rebuild Vienna to use as a logistical hub, and Austria continues to lose men as deserters and lack of supplies take their toll.
[X] Enter into negotiations
The way I see it, we're now operating on "does this expenditure of high explosives achieve the maximum benefit?" due to our shell crisis. I don't think Russia's going to fix their shit over a six-month pause, whereas we could build stockpiles. Yes, they can bring new conscripts to the front, but their lack of heavy guns and well-trained troops will remain. Winter and spring are awful times to be stuck in Belarus. I don't think we'll achieve anything this turn beyond taking Konigsberg, and the shells we expend to do so could be used instead for a decisive breakthrough in the summer if we can delay. Sadly it means we can't take the Russian fleet, but I don't think we're advancing to Klaipeda anyways.
Obviously, I want us to continue persecuting the war, this is just to make the Entente raise a bit less of a stink about us doing it for what I see as a fairly minor cost.
The way I see it, we're now operating on "does this expenditure of high explosives achieve the maximum benefit?" due to our shell crisis. I don't think Russia's going to fix their shit over a six-month pause, whereas we could build stockpiles. Yes, they can bring new conscripts to the front, but their lack of heavy guns and well-trained troops will remain. Winter and spring are awful times to be stuck in Belarus. I don't think we'll achieve anything this turn beyond taking Konigsberg, and the shells we expend to do so could be used instead for a decisive breakthrough in the summer if we can delay. Sadly it means we can't take the Russian fleet, but I don't think we're advancing to Klaipeda anyways.
Obviously, I want us to continue persecuting the war, this is just to make the Entente raise a bit less of a stink about us doing it for what I see as a fairly minor cost.
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PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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- Morioh Town, Mt. Ebbot
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- They/Them
Hmm.
Our shell situation means we could benefit from R&R, even if less than the League, and we could curb the negative international opinion (and most importantly, Entente opinion). Reminder we started this whole war over a questionable sinking of a boat, so (like our move wrt the Very Forgiving Peace with Scandinavia) anything which could curb the impact on that towards the Entente's decision to eventually force us to stop is good. Even just less negative opinion penalty with the Entente will then let us accumulate more leverage for the amount of gains we could force Russia to give up in the final negotiation of this war.
On top of all that, reminder that the Italian & Spanish armies have broken thru the Alps - that's a huge advantage & I truly believe no amount of possible R&R can get Austria & Russia to come back from that.
[X] Enter into negotiations
Our shell situation means we could benefit from R&R, even if less than the League, and we could curb the negative international opinion (and most importantly, Entente opinion). Reminder we started this whole war over a questionable sinking of a boat, so (like our move wrt the Very Forgiving Peace with Scandinavia) anything which could curb the impact on that towards the Entente's decision to eventually force us to stop is good. Even just less negative opinion penalty with the Entente will then let us accumulate more leverage for the amount of gains we could force Russia to give up in the final negotiation of this war.
On top of all that, reminder that the Italian & Spanish armies have broken thru the Alps - that's a huge advantage & I truly believe no amount of possible R&R can get Austria & Russia to come back from that.
[X] Enter into negotiations
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- Somewhere in the stacks
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- She/Her
[X] Enter into negotiations.
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- Your pantry
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The tech that made WW1 so absurdely brutal isn't quite there yet, and I'd like to ask, but with what materiel are they going to do that with? We've taken a large chunk of their industrial capacity, and 3 months is not enough time to produce enough machine guns/barbed wire/artillery for it to matter. what will matter is when the Entente, after seeing us refuse a ceasefire, send massive amounts of guns and cash to the Russians and Austrians. Fact of the matter is that the Austrians and Russians are SPENT, more so than we are, but more importantly, they CAN'T recuperate any of their equipment losses without years of preparation.
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We don't have a shell crisis? Running out of stockpiles in modern war is just how every longer conflict goes. We do have to be a bit more careful about our artillery usage but we're still doing solid because our industry is good.
It's also worth remembering out allies have connected with us and they are fairly fresh.
The main reason to agree to negotiate is the international situation, especially after Bohemia.
It's also worth remembering the Russian WW1 front never managed the same static warfare as the western front. It's just too damn big.
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[X] Enter into negotiations.
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My understanding is that they still have quite a bit of industry is still pretty intact in the bulkans, and that are main routes of avdance in the spring would largely be mountainous terrain where your more likely to have to defend relatively smaller lines due to how movng armies through those works or cities like Konigsburg that could be very well fortified in a similar way to Vienna was, without having its defenses sabotaged due to 'negative reserves' it has to man it with.
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Hungary Proper is not mountainous at all, only if you're contemplating only attacking in Slovakia or south of Zagreb (the eastern half of Croatia is also very flat)