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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Plan: The Endless Winds of Want

[X] Plan: What Lies Beyond
-[X][Personal] House of Ling
-[X][Professional] Western Marches
-[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
-[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (8/5, Shattered Gaol, +10 Spiritual)
-[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)
-[X][Cultivation] It's Depths Without End (6/3, Saline Grotto)

[X] Who are you, in the dark
-[X] [Professional] Western Marches
-[X] [Professional] A Land Dark & Cruel
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Personal] House of Ling
-[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
-[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)
-[X][Cultivation] It's Depths Without End (6/3, Saline Grotto)

I don't really understand the appeal of Primacy of Beasts...yes I understand the appeal of TREE but in that case, people should be voting for Xiangmen pt 2. If they want to add another cool beast to our BKSD repertoire, then Bear God's Fury would be the way to go. Not altering the Primal War Calling into gross...Vermin God stuff. Not nearly as cool as a giant Bear Paw or TREE.

EDIT: Adding these in even though some have elements i dislike because they also has Golden Roads and Winter's Crown. They're pretty far behind anyway so w/e.

[X] Plan: Cold Commiseration and Creature Comforts
-[X][Personal] House of Ling
-[X][Personal] Golden Roads
-[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
-[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
-[X] [Cultivation] Winter's Crown

[X] Plan: We'll get to it when we get to it.
 
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Lena27 said:
[ ] Plan: The Endless Winds of Want
[ ] [Personal] House of Ling
[ ] [Personal] Golden Roads
[ ] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
[ ] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
[ ] [Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
[ ] [Cultivation] Its Depths Without End (6/3, Saline Grotto)
[ ] [Cultivation] Winter's Crown

I don't really understand the appeal of Primacy of Beasts...yes I understand the appeal of TREE but in that case, people should be voting for Xiangmen pt 2. If they want to add another cool beast to our BKSD repertoire, then Bear God's Fury would be the way to go. Not altering the Primal War Calling into gross...Vermin God stuff. Not nearly as cool as a giant Bear Paw or TREE.
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The main appeal is the philosophy. It discusses war, and what drives people towards it. That's good contemplation for the summit by its own. Add Sun Liling, the the Sun's military preparations, and Western Marches to it, and it gets even better.

Plus, it gives Power and Want XP, so it continues the thread of what counts as Power to LQ and how to go about it. Depending on next turn's FFS options, we may pick Winter's Crown, which ALSO gives Power and Want. So we can essentially ride that wave and thought process out and nearly rank up both Want and Power (6/8), ignoring an outside sources of XP from thr narrative (and ToN ofc).

I think we can also do Primacy of Beasts during the war arc, so I prefer It's Depths Without End. But it also works well here, and the tribulation has taught us (or at least me) he folly of planning far in the future.
 
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Lena27 said:
I don't really understand the appeal of Primacy of Beasts...yes I understand the appeal of TREE but in that case, people should be voting for Xiangmen pt 2. If they want to add another cool beast to our BKSD repertoire, then Bear God's Fury would be the way to go. Not altering the Primal War Calling into gross...Vermin God stuff. Not nearly as cool as a giant Bear Paw or TREE.
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Here's my reason:
yrsillar said:
Primacy of Beasts: Learn the song of nature, the melody of tooth and claw. Where lies the line between beasts and men, which brings us to war? Mere greed and pride, or something more? Alters the primal War Calling into the Vermin God's Legion technique. +1 XP to Want and Power. Unlocks one Project(0/3)
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The contemplation of war felt fitting to some of the upcoming actions we have like Western Marches or Land Dark and Cruel. Not to mention we're shaving a bit off BKSD. Personally, I think TREE is cool, but not for this sets of action. and I'm a bit more meh on the Bear
 
[x] Plan Boundary
-[x] Imperial Menagerie
-[x] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[x] House of Ling
-[x] Golden Roads
-[x] Hidden Scribe
-[x] It's Depths Without End
-[x] Boundaries Untrodden
 
Bleh, looked at the competing options delta and well:
yrsillar said:
It's Depths Without End: The imperturbable surface, a skin of shimmering black that lies over the infinite deeps beneath. All vanishes into the dark, leaving mere ripples behind. Where sleeps that which vanishes from world, sight, and memory?. +1 XP to Mystery and Ending. Advances the Black Mirror Technique. (0/3)
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yrsillar said:
Primacy of Beasts: Learn the song of nature, the melody of tooth and claw. Where lies the line between beasts and men, which brings us to war? Mere greed and pride, or something more? Alters the primal War Calling into the Vermin God's Legion technique. +1 XP to Want and Power. Unlocks one Project(0/3)
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Ignoring numbers and mechanics stuff it's hard to argue against primacy of beasts' themes being very on point with us really examining the WT adjacent factions this turn. Gotta have my vote this time.

That said, I don't want us in a position where we drop SNR entirely like some here want (I either missed or was unconvinced by the arguments for this), since I do think it's quite nice for like esoterica/mystery angle, works with LQ as a mist realm aesthetic, and should be possible to wrangle it to work with out nascent Protection concept on top of refining primary defense (with imperturbable soul's nature apparently down to votes). So tentatively approval voting for it as well, but for fit this turn I'd say it's worse.

[X] Plan: Professional Primacy
[X] Plan: What Lies Beyond

Weirdly enough I think both are somewhat too early here, I'm sure either can be made to work, but arguably Path Unyielding or Garden of Mists would fit about as well, for their own reasons.
 
Doramas said:
Saying that the Stars and Spheres action serves as an analogue for Lake Hei is more than just a stretch. It's a weird attempt to shoehorning a SNR project into the narrative.
SNR projects are cool philosophical projects with combat applications, but they aren't adequate for the-right-before-the-Summit turn like others projects are.
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Definitely not the case. SNR has, in general, led LQ to explore concepts like Void which are applicable to more than just the infinite depths of certain lakes. There are other concepts the art has that LQ is familiar with, that she often contemplates on--Darkness and Yin. The description of the art includes both the lake and the night sky--
In the Thousand Lakes, the infinite depth of the night sky is reflected from one thousand mirrors, displaying infinite emptiness extending beyond the heavens and into the depths of the earth. In meditating upon this conceptual void, the user seeks to become such a mirror, combining the formlessness and absorption of darkness with the rippling serenity and infinite depth of the lakes. Enemies striking the user and their allies find their weapons and techniques sinking into the shadows, to vanish, doing no more harm than they would if they slashed the waters of mighty Lake Hei, or aimed their malice at the starless sky.
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I refuse to believe this would have no applicability or connection to LQ studying the very heavens. It would certainly fit. Arts are meant to be metaphorical, if one thinks SNR can only be applied to lakes, they're taking it a bit too literally.
 
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[X] Plan: Cold Commiseration and Creature Comforts
-[X] [Personal] House of Ling
-[X] [Personal] Golden Roads
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[X] [Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
-[X] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
-[X] [Cultivation] Winter's Crown

[x] Plan Boundary
-[x] Imperial Menagerie
-[x] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[x] House of Ling
-[x] Golden Roads
-[x] Hidden Scribe
-[x] It's Depths Without End
-[x] Boundaries Untrodden
 
Lena27 said:
I don't really understand the appeal of Primacy of Beasts...yes I understand the appeal of TREE but in that case, people should be voting for Xiangmen pt 2. If they want to add another cool beast to our BKSD repertoire, then Bear God's Fury would be the way to go. Not altering the Primal War Calling into gross...Vermin God stuff. Not nearly as cool as a giant Bear Paw or TREE.
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Gee, I wonder why Ling Qi would be interested in a multitude of those reviled as loathsome or repulsive. I'm sure definitions like that, when applied to groups, are rigorously vetted and immediately removed once they no longer apply, rather than becoming definitions that are grandfathered into perpetuity and used as enduring reasons for rejection and violence.

No sir, the concept of "vermin" does not seem at all applicable to Ling Qi's current endeavors. :V
 
Anderein said:
Gee, I wonder why Ling Qi would be interested in a multitude of those reviled as loathsome or repulsive. I'm sure definitions like that, when applied to groups, are rigorously vetted and immediately removed once they no longer apply, rather than becoming definitions that are grandfathered into perpetuity and used as enduring reasons for rejection and violence.

No sir, the concept of "vermin" does not seem at all applicable to Ling Qi's current endeavors. :V
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I mean just the thought of LQ the cultivator from the cold and lonely streets of tonghou having an isolating, freezing mist with rats and vermin scurrying around seems like an excellent thematic point.
 
Lena27 said:
I don't really understand the appeal of Primacy of Beasts...yes I understand the appeal of TREE but in that case, people should be voting for Xiangmen pt 2. If they want to add another cool beast to our BKSD repertoire, then Bear God's Fury would be the way to go. Not altering the Primal War Calling into gross...Vermin God stuff. Not nearly as cool as a giant Bear Paw or TREE.
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Oh absolutely, but that's why this turn is so good for Primacy. As you say, it's really the least exciting of our BKSD projects, so absent anything else, we'll probably prioritise the others. If we have a good opportunity to really show off BKSD in a turn by going some nice fighting or history stuff, then Bear or Wolf would be better options. But that isn't what we have this turn. Instead we have a nice space in our cultivation schedule and a bunch of things in both this turn and recent events that really cry out for meditations on War and Power and Want. This is probably the best time we'll have for getting Primacy done.

That being said, while people may not be that excited by rats there's a lot of nice callbacks there to the King of the Forest arc and our Blessing of Fang which could be quite relevant to meditations on war.
 
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[X] Plan: What Lies Beyond

Changing my vote cause I realized that Four Winds Joy at the Shattered Gaol means we might end up talking about the Choice stuff w/ Huisheng, and that seems more thematically appropriate than doing Primacy of Beasts there.
 
[X] Plan: Cold Commiseration and Creature Comforts
[X] Plan: What Lies Beyond
 
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[X] Plan: Professional Primacy
-[X][Personal] House of Ling
-[X][Professional] Western Marches
-[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
-[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GS)
-[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GS)
-[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (7/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
 
[X] Plan: Professional Primacy
[X] Plan: What Lies Beyond

Both seem fine to me.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Killer_Whale on Mar 16, 2023 at 3:23 AM, finished with 175 posts and 58 votes.
  • [X] Plan: What Lies Beyond
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (8/5, Shattered Gaol, +10 Spiritual)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)
    -[X][Cultivation] It's Depths Without End (6/3, Saline Grotto)
    [X] Plan: Professional Primacy
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (7/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
    [X] Plan: Boundaries Untrodden
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Boundaries Untrodden (8/6, Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
    [X] Plan: Cold Commiseration and Creature Comforts
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Personal] Golden Roads
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Winter's Crown
    [X] Plan: Road to Hidden Secrets
    -[X][Personal] Golden Roads
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8 AD)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
    [X] Plan: House of Hidden Secrets
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8 AD)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
    [X] Plan: The Endless Winds of Want
    [X] Who are you, in the dark
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X] [Professional] A Land Dark & Cruel
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GSS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)
    -[X][Cultivation] It's Depths Without End (6/3, Saline Grotto)
    [x] Plan: We'll get to it when we get to it.
    [x] Plan Boundary
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Personal] House of Ling
    -[X][Personal] Golden Roads
    -[x] Hidden Scribe
    -[x] It's Depths Without End
    -[x] Boundaries Untrodden
    [X] Who are you, in the dark
    [X] Plan: Professionally Golden
    -[X][Personal] Golden Roads
    -[X][Professional] Western Marches
    -[X][Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X][Professional] A Land Most Dark and Cruel
    -[X][Cultivation] Four Winds Joy (9/5 AD, Cathedral of Winds -1GS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4 Saline Grotto -1GS)
    -[X][Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (7/3 Shattered Gaol +10 spiritual)
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