- Location
- Brazil
But... How? What possible chain of coincidences can pile up to uncover something that has no physical trace whatsoever? It only exists in the memory of a Lord of Change and Mathilde's own noggin.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Oklahoma
"I'm not going to go evil, but if I did I would damn well be better at it than any of you scrubs."
Some things never change.
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Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] [BELEGAR] Greater Daemon
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
I love Belegar to bits, but if Mathilde is reasonably confident that reality will heal and that this is as bad as a regular bad miscast, then I will not inflict this paranoia upon him. The Daemon, though, is not something we can wash our hands of. He deserves to know about unpleasant visitors, however brief they are and even if they did not even take a step into the Karag proper.
As for the Colleges, I'm fine with either option that tells them something, as long as we keep our candidacy to ourselves.
[X] [COLLEGE] Incoming Everchosen
[X] [COLLEGE] Everchosen and Greater Daemon
I love Belegar to bits, but if Mathilde is reasonably confident that reality will heal and that this is as bad as a regular bad miscast, then I will not inflict this paranoia upon him. The Daemon, though, is not something we can wash our hands of. He deserves to know about unpleasant visitors, however brief they are and even if they did not even take a step into the Karag proper.
As for the Colleges, I'm fine with either option that tells them something, as long as we keep our candidacy to ourselves.
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neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
- Location
- The test site
- Pronouns
- She/Her
For people concerned about this possibly tainting the orbflex, Thorek would be able to confirm that Mathilde has been working on AV for years before the encounter.
einargs
Verified Spiller of the Egg Yolk
- Location
- The Egg Yolk, Outer Layer
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Mathilde seems to think it'll be useful, especially given increasing cult activity to corroborate.
Further, Boney has explicitly said we don't have protocols for a reason:
While this will help, he doesn't know about us figuring out how to make power orbs from AV, and major developments from the same research path that led to a greater demon encounter is suspicious. It'll blow over, but I'm not sure we want to burn trust / political capital / favor while it blows over when we could need it for the waystones.
It's important to note that we've recently concealed far more suspicious things (ring notes), let alone the fact that we have read the liber mortis. We're hiding way worse stuff.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
But using it to Morb? Using it to create liminal realms?
They were already throwing Hysh grenades at us for being too cool. Telling them that they were right to worry will only erode our accomplishments, not safeguard them.
Literally the only thing the daemon did was talk. If we bring its words out of that room, all the costs we'll pay will be on our own head.
Mathilde isn't going to say 'there is absolutely 100% an Everchosen coming right fucking now, source: trust me bro'. She's going to say that it was mentioned to her by a dubious source, or if she reveals the Daemon then she'll say it was said to her by the Daemon, and that data point will be added to all the other data points the Grey Order and all the other intelligence apparati of the Empire accumulate. One being saying it is not evidence, but if a whole bunch of unconnected beings have been saying it and acting in accordance with it, then it turns into something actionable.
Tzeentch is bad news, but not even Tzeentch can work some sort of contagious infohazard into the word 'Everchosen'.
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
- Location
- Midwestern U.S.
Panicking and hand-wringing about this demon is exactly what it wants. What would we have done if an ordinary miscast had ordinarily appeared a daemon? Probably told Belegar and the Colleges? If only to head off the appearance that Mathilde never fucks up and always has shiny new papers to reveal.
Belegar's a sturdy sort. "Greater daemon, not a threat anymore but you should be aware on principle." Would barely even make him wince. Colleges I'm torn between nothing and just daemon.
Belegar's a sturdy sort. "Greater daemon, not a threat anymore but you should be aware on principle." Would barely even make him wince. Colleges I'm torn between nothing and just daemon.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Personally, I'm honestly pretty tempted to just go... All in, on truthfulness.
Partially just for the metaphysics of it, partially for how those metaphysics play into spite.
We're being scouted by a god of lies, schemes, and deception? Trust and honesty it is!
If we had a relevant trait, I'd be tempted to launder it.
Partially just for the metaphysics of it, partially for how those metaphysics play into spite.
We're being scouted by a god of lies, schemes, and deception? Trust and honesty it is!
You know, if it weren't for the fact that it came from a force of Ruin dedicated to plunging the world into destruction and enslavement, this would be a wonderful craft spell.
If we had a relevant trait, I'd be tempted to launder it.
Yes. The involvement of AV isn't really relevant, the same thing could easily happen with a bad miscast or an encounter in a place with thinned reality.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Do any of our traits lend themselves to 'manipulate shadow of object to change the object'? It's not 1:1 but it might work.
- Location
- Brazil
This. So much this.
To put it in other words, it has given us enough rope to hang ourselves with. It only has as much power as we choose to give it.
- Location
- Mexico
He was really happy when he proposed naming their Champion the fourchandotorg, but after a few seconds of no one laughing, khorne called him a dork and Everchosen passed unopposed.
- Location
- Earth
No, but I think there's an exception to laundering/adapting spells that already exist to work with Ulgu instead (ie the Matrix). At least if that WoB down there still holds true.
- Location
- on the way to the fire.
- Pronouns
- He
Even Chaos would not invoke that name lightly it seems.
- Location
- Brazil
Thinking about it, I think that the Everchosen bit is actually juicy bait.
Because it's the one verifiable thing he said- not about Egrimm and Alric, but about one being nigh. The trends should start to appear across most gribblies in the world.
And if we are going to talk about it, it costs us little, why not talk about the daemon anyway, right?
It seems to me like it's meant to provide an easy first step down the slope.
And sure, maybe it all amounts to nothing. But we gain nothing from running the risk, and have much to lose.
Because it's the one verifiable thing he said- not about Egrimm and Alric, but about one being nigh. The trends should start to appear across most gribblies in the world.
And if we are going to talk about it, it costs us little, why not talk about the daemon anyway, right?
It seems to me like it's meant to provide an easy first step down the slope.
And sure, maybe it all amounts to nothing. But we gain nothing from running the risk, and have much to lose.
Chlof
Her Ladyship
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Tzeentch's petition to rename the position of Everchosen to Everchosen');DROP TABLE wizards;-- was denied on the grounds of that joke not working yet.
Mathilde killed half a million personally, one by one, looking at each one of them and deciding if this particular person is to die or to live. I doubt there's someone non-immortal with a higher personal direct body count.
- Location
- florida
Its especially good bait because if there is one thing humans LOVE to do. Its look for patterns. Even if there aren't actually any real ones there.
Its hard wired into us... quite thoroughly.
- Location
- Leeds
Chaos isn't all knowing in fantasy... do they know about The Liber Mortis and how little Mathilde has used that forbidden knowledge?
[Q] Test the Liminal realms sturdiness.
- Location
- Oklahoma
So, absolute minimum I think we should inform the colleges of the incoming Everchosen and Belegar of the demon popping up. That's relevant information both should know, with the only cost being a bit of a reputation hit. And frankly, Mathilde's rep can take it.
The others get a bit more squiggly- the scabbed over bit of reality very probably isn't a problem, and is in pretty much the perfect room to continue to keep it not a problem. So that's not necessarily 'need to know', but I'd still prefer telling him anyways.
I don't have any strong opinions about telling the college about the greater demon.
I'd prefer not to mention the Everchosen candidacy- Mathilde obviously isn't going to take up the offer, so its not information that would actually help anyone. With even Mathilde not knowing how they'd react I wouldn't want to risk this one.
The others get a bit more squiggly- the scabbed over bit of reality very probably isn't a problem, and is in pretty much the perfect room to continue to keep it not a problem. So that's not necessarily 'need to know', but I'd still prefer telling him anyways.
I don't have any strong opinions about telling the college about the greater demon.
I'd prefer not to mention the Everchosen candidacy- Mathilde obviously isn't going to take up the offer, so its not information that would actually help anyone. With even Mathilde not knowing how they'd react I wouldn't want to risk this one.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Also a fair bit of "why would I go evil if this is the best it can do?" She's already doing better without it.
Not until we can tell Panoramia with relative certainty that there won't be any daemons peeking in the window.
- Location
- on the way to the fire.
- Pronouns
- He
I had an amusing thought, if we got 4 side of the die for the four chaos gods, one side presumbly for either undivided or maybe old Be'lakor coming to visit, we still have one side left.
It could be the other of undivided or Be'lakor, it could be the clutch save that either noting come out or that Mathilde manage to stop it in time, or it could be something more... in character for our history.
Welcome to Snakehunted 2.0, now with an entire hoard of those bastards, or a very old very mean one.
One the one side, the old mirrorbox contraption is no longer enough to hold something like this, on the other, we could have decide to sink in the AP time cost, and a lucky crit or two, we could have upped AV production rate.
It could be the other of undivided or Be'lakor, it could be the clutch save that either noting come out or that Mathilde manage to stop it in time, or it could be something more... in character for our history.
Welcome to Snakehunted 2.0, now with an entire hoard of those bastards, or a very old very mean one.
One the one side, the old mirrorbox contraption is no longer enough to hold something like this, on the other, we could have decide to sink in the AP time cost, and a lucky crit or two, we could have upped AV production rate.