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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nurgle said:
I wonder what the elves think of Kshvar or what ever name they call it. The last sighting before the dawi of Dum called it was a expedition chasing it. Why were they chasing it.
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Because its current incarnation is an evil beastman that has caused immense damage to Athel Loren.

Most likely if they knew the truth of its nature they would find it quite tragic.
 
Byzantine said:
Because its current incarnation is an evil beastman that has caused immense damage to Athel Loren.

Most likely if they knew the truth of its nature they would find it quite tragic.
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See the eleves we're chasing it and than suddenly it disappears. That is what I am getting at the elves have to be worried that it will come back some day. Which is something we can use to our advantage at a later date negotiating with them.
 
Nurgle said:
See the eleves we're chasing it and than suddenly it disappears. That is what I am getting at the elves have to be worried that it will come back some day. Which is something we can use to our advantage at a later date negotiating with them.
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I mean you are assuming the wood elves would take the word of the strange mortal that is mainlining the wind of deception about the fate of their greatest foe. Why would they?
 
Nurgle said:
See the eleves we're chasing it and than suddenly it disappears. That is what I am getting at the elves have to be worried that it will come back some day. Which is something we can use to our advantage at a later date negotiating with them.
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Eh. I don't think so. All of the expedition knows about Morghur. Which includes 2 knightly orders, about 6 or so magisters, some ice witches and the dwarves. Then the fate of dum was publicized to the karaz ankor. I think some rumors are probably out there of what is there.
 
Tobtorp said:
Eh. I don't think so. All of the expedition knows about Morghur. Which includes 2 knightly orders, about 6 or so magisters, some ice witches and the dwarves. Then the fate of dum was publicized to the karaz ankor. I think some rumors are probably out there of what is there.
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But how many of the elves actually talk to humans or dawi? Or would believe what humans or dawi are saying.
 
Given that Secrets is in a fairly unassailable lead:

Of the large basket of secrets that we know Mathilde holds, are there any minor ones you would have her offer her new apprentice?
 
Gavin Prince said:
Given that Secrets is in a fairly unassailable lead:

Of the large basket of secrets that we know Mathilde holds, are there any minor ones you would have her offer her new apprentice?
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Probably secrets from her time in Stirland.

I'm not sure what's a minor secret, but it kinda seems like anything worth mentioning on Mathilde's character sheet is probably non-minor.
 
ichypa said:
Huh. "Warden," as in a protector, a keeper of a prison, or both?
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Well, he did mention that the dwarves escaped. He also said Norsca was 'another prison'... You know, given what he said about those other places dwarves as a whole have settled in, it's distantly possible that Hashut and he-who-would-become-the-Horned-Rat were trapped in Uzkulak and Tylos. This also makes it distantly possible for there to be other Old-One-created beings in the Middle Mountains, Ekrund, and other places.
 
Actually thinking about that "norsca was another prison" part. The only race that i could think of that roughly come from there would be the fimir.
 
Hmmm. Is it possible Morghur's enmity to the Asrai is at least partially due to them trying to pull a Skaven and/or Nagash on it, or a prior incarnation of it?
 
Nurgle said:
See the eleves we're chasing it and than suddenly it disappears. That is what I am getting at the elves have to be worried that it will come back some day. Which is something we can use to our advantage at a later date negotiating with them.
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Morghur didn't suddenly disappear, he was killed. Same as every other time.

The Asrai are presumably waiting for him to spawn again and aren't aware that he's gone.
 
Gavin Prince said:
Given that Secrets is in a fairly unassailable lead:

Of the large basket of secrets that we know Mathilde holds, are there any minor ones you would have her offer her new apprentice?
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I think one of the most obvious, in that it's both technically a secret, relatively important, and she'd likely learn it anyway on her own, is the existence of the Skaven. From there we could follow up with writing Queekish and the real identity of Quirin Waramunt, though I wouldn't recommend actually introducing her to Qrech.

Beyond that... That all the Rooms of Calamity spell M-A-T-H-I-L-D-E? How we accidentally started the final retaking of K8P? Little things like that.
 
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cog-nito said:
Ahh, so basically the only way one could theoretically get reliable battle magic
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No, it's a definitional thing. If it's reliable, it's not battle magic! "Battle magic" should be thought of less as "magic used during battles" and more "magic is so risky you would only use it if it's a matter of life and death for a lot of people, like during a battle."

"That Magic sure is useful. Is it battle magic?"
"Nah, it works every time."
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Then, just as the Four and their allies arrived for the Final Battle, Flaming Phoenix, whom all had thought dead, returned from atop His Gleaming Pyramid, and He smote about Him. Thus the rebels were pushed behind the Great Gates, and were sealed there forever. But they were restless in their cage, and soon worked to escape
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Asuryan rises from the dead and ends the war. The surviving immortals settle and become Gods. History begins.
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Sir_Travelsalot said:
Do we know that it was strictly Asuryan who rose from the dead? The text only calls him a 'flaming phoenix' who smote about him, driving back the Four. What if it was Aenarion, bearing Widowmaker, something which was shown to be a concept that even the Chaos Gods reeled in terror about when he went to take it up, outright pleading with him not to do it alongside everyone except Khaine. Asuryan's Shrine is depicted as a great pyramid, after all, and there's something of a recurring element of people walking into holy fires and emerging from them when everyone else was certain they would have died.
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Actually, I think the pheonix bit is just a replacemant for the actual person in the original.

You see, while it might describe Asuryan theres a slight catch: Dead on Giant Pillar, But not dead enough to blast all the daemons and lock them away for sometime? There is another being who explictly did that literal thing without question.

That mention of Sotek implies this legend is older than Taal. Its likely an Albion legend. And if so...that Phoenix isnt Asuryan.


He's Lord Kroak. Deliverance explictly banished every daemon in Lustria with many true killed. All it takes is for some lizardmen to explain the events to Albion for the story to enter into human legends. And why Sotek is in there.
 
It occurs to me that as long as karag dum remains, the wood elves are safe from the shadowgave. Therefore, it is in their best interests to keep karag dum standing.

Which makes for a fascinating military puzzle. How would they go about aiding that karak?

Also, "I can tell you how to keep the shadowgave away from your lands forever" is a valid statement Mathilde could make to those elves...
 
Ergosum said:
I think one of the most obvious, in that it's both technically a secret, relatively important, and she'd likely learn it anyway on her own, is the existence of the Skaven. From there we could follow up with writing Queekish and the real identity of Quirin Waramunt, though I wouldn't recommend actually introducing her to Qrech.

Beyond that... That all the Rooms of Calamity spell M-A-T-H-I-L-D-E? How we accidentally started the final retaking of K8P? Little things like that.
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That last one we'd probably best take to our grave.
 
CeBrudras said:
I think Halflings are also still 'homeless' and Noone ever cared enough them to create Lore about where they are from.
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Halflings were with the human tribes that traveled through the Worlds Edge Mountains during the migrations that brought the Empire's founding tribes to the Reik Basin, which would suggest they came from the east.

(It's also not clear where those tribes originated- it's only said that some tribes may have come from the Wolf Lands, in the southern Dark Lands)

There's a line in 6th edition Ogre Kingdoms page 8 that suggests that Halflings were with them before the comet struck them- maybe they split after that and eventually settled in with the tribes of men?

"The Ogres were born a long time ago,
Big, strong and fat
The little round ones by our side,
We ate and drank till our guts filled

Then came the plains and the tribes
Beasts, sun, grass, winds, earth
The Sunrisers gave us fire
We fought for them and ate their young

A great toothed comet came
It grew closer by the day
Fire roared in the sky
Killed the night and drive the beasts mad"

-traditional saga of the Ogres, as depicted on many cave walls throughout the Ogre kingdoms, and interpreted by the notoriously untrustworthy Marienburg trader Yohan the Honest. Rumor has it that he and his entourage were eaten when he tried to cheat the Angry Fist tribe.
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Codex said:
This information seems to imply that Nagash "carved corpses from the desert gods to be receptacles for the prayers of the dead". What does that mean exactly?
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It sounds like Nagash killed the gods and part of them fled to go be gods elsewhere, while their leftover corpses got forged into some sort of undead abomination to keep answering prayers and receiving faith power from nehekara without having wills of their own. Maybe. Given khsar is apparently still able to he tapped for power by the liche priests, it sounds plausible.

[X] Yes
[X] Secrets
[X] Other: Prank
 
A fun idea is that when the Maw changed Ogre society it forced the Halflings to leave them because they were no longer safe being around Ogres. So the ogres, consciously or not, replaced the halflings with Gnoblars because they couldn't find anyone else.
 
Mathilde has an underground palace. I suppose that merits a mention in "minor secrets" that Eike'd find interesting.
 
Mopman43 said:
Morghur didn't suddenly disappear, he was killed. Same as every other time.

The Asrai are presumably waiting for him to spawn again and aren't aware that he's gone.
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Yeah, my understanding of the Asrai is that they are isolationist to an extreme so it's likely they haven't read our paper on the subject. They don't have much reason to interact with many humans or dwarves, and there was only a single elf on that expedition and it was an exiled Asur.
 
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