[X] Yes
[X] Wizard
[X] Stirlandian
[X] Wizard
[X] Stirlandian
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
- Start date
- Fantasy Users' Choice!
-
- Tags
- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Other: Prank
- Location
- United States
[X] Other: Prank
And then the Cataclysm came. King Taal rose from His Forest, and with Dark Morr muttering dire portents in His ear, He banished all immortals from the world. But the Cataclysm's architects refused His order. The Crow, the Hound, the Serpent, and the Vulture were jealous of King Taal, and had tried to use the Great Gates to take what was His.
I count four different groups here: King Taal and his court, the "immortals", the Four, and an unspoken mention of the Old Ones, who should be all dead at this point in the story (the "Cataclysm").
So the Old Ones created the Immortals—the "teachers and wardens" Borek mentioned, but when the Old Ones died Taal tried to evict Immortals from reality, but the Four fought back.
After countless battles, King Taal was eventually surrounded. There were few still by his side. Ulric the Wolf. Noble Margileo. Just Verena. Sotek the Snake. Manann of the Sea. And Gentle Shallya, tear-stained and afraid. Even Smiling Ranald had fled, and now hid in the Places Between, fearful for the future.
The rest of Taal's court is depicted here, and it's so weird. Ulric shouldn't be a wolf, who the hell is Margileo, why is Sotek here??? Also Taal and Ulrich are Northern gods, but everyone else is a Classical god?
Then, just as the Four and their allies arrived for the Final Battle, Flaming Phoenix, whom all had thought dead, returned from atop His Gleaming Pyramid, and He smote about Him. Thus the rebels were pushed behind the Great Gates, and were sealed there forever. But they were restless in their cage, and soon worked to escape."
And then the conclusion—the Flaming Phoenix rises, and the Four are driven back to plot and scheme.
Theory: with the deaths of their masters and creators, the Immortals fell to infighting amongst themselves. A group of them gathered together under Taal's leadership and began to carve out a... Kingdom? "Join us or die". This puts them into conflict with the Four, who are doing the same thing, but from the other direction.
Whilst this is happening the mortals are scattering to the four winds, the Dwarves are building the Karaz Ankor and the Elves are building the Great Vortex.
Asuryan rises from the dead and ends the war. The surviving immortals settle and become Gods. History begins.
I count four different groups here: King Taal and his court, the "immortals", the Four, and an unspoken mention of the Old Ones, who should be all dead at this point in the story (the "Cataclysm").
So the Old Ones created the Immortals—the "teachers and wardens" Borek mentioned, but when the Old Ones died Taal tried to evict Immortals from reality, but the Four fought back.
After countless battles, King Taal was eventually surrounded. There were few still by his side. Ulric the Wolf. Noble Margileo. Just Verena. Sotek the Snake. Manann of the Sea. And Gentle Shallya, tear-stained and afraid. Even Smiling Ranald had fled, and now hid in the Places Between, fearful for the future.
The rest of Taal's court is depicted here, and it's so weird. Ulric shouldn't be a wolf, who the hell is Margileo, why is Sotek here??? Also Taal and Ulrich are Northern gods, but everyone else is a Classical god?
Then, just as the Four and their allies arrived for the Final Battle, Flaming Phoenix, whom all had thought dead, returned from atop His Gleaming Pyramid, and He smote about Him. Thus the rebels were pushed behind the Great Gates, and were sealed there forever. But they were restless in their cage, and soon worked to escape."
And then the conclusion—the Flaming Phoenix rises, and the Four are driven back to plot and scheme.
Theory: with the deaths of their masters and creators, the Immortals fell to infighting amongst themselves. A group of them gathered together under Taal's leadership and began to carve out a... Kingdom? "Join us or die". This puts them into conflict with the Four, who are doing the same thing, but from the other direction.
Whilst this is happening the mortals are scattering to the four winds, the Dwarves are building the Karaz Ankor and the Elves are building the Great Vortex.
Asuryan rises from the dead and ends the war. The surviving immortals settle and become Gods. History begins.
- Location
- Somewhere in the area
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[x] Yes
[x] Secrets
[x] Religious
[x] Secrets
[x] Religious
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Yes
[X] Secrets
[X] Secrets
... You know, thinking about it some more...
Nehekharan Undead, and Vampires, being immortal and possibly having to run on Dhar or Warpstone or something to achieve that...
I wonder if Nagash when he created his Elixir of Life, was actually treading on similar sort of origins or ground as the Old Ones did when they created Gods or Immortals?
... And the recent sidestory bits in Dynamic Alcoholism, with fights against dragons and a vampire, and them mentioning diablerie by vampires and how it results in vampires absorbing some ego and memories and stuff from older vampires...
That sure sounds a bit similar to how the Nemesis Crown -- created on Warpstone -- works, huh? And related to immortality in general?
Perhaps... perhaps the "problem" is that immortality or the passing on of knowledge/memories/etc -- such as it is -- is only meant to happen in the Aethyr? And not in the material world? Or, rather, perhaps what is being passed on is not knowledge/wisdom... but instead Soul-stuff. And soul-stuff in the material world, if moved outside of a body, does not turn into Primordial Sevir; it collapses into all the Winds and curdles into Dhar?
i.e. Perhaps immortality -- or not immortality, but materialization-of-the-soul -- in the physical world (as opposed to in the Aethyr) is achieved or done through, or results in, Dhar or Warpstone?
Either way, Nagash and his Elixir is interesting.
And Vampires eating other Vampires, and resulting in them absorbing some of their memories or personality... ... That could just be a side-effect of an immortal being absorbing another immortal being; the trouble with being immortal is that, well... you are immortal. That means you don't die. Not even if another immortal goes all Highlander on you. So, what happens if you do get Highlander'd? Well, that other immortals absorbs part of your personality or memories or something. Hence, diablerie being a tricky thing that can cause insanity.
I've wondered about the Flame of Asuryan and the mantle of the Everqueen. (And of Ariel and Orion both. One being an elf... the other being a reincarnating demigod.) I wondered if the Flame and the Everqueen mantle also additionally served as a pool of Primordial Sever or Life Energy or something...
... Other thoughts: Zlata revealed that the Ancient Widow might be able to do something with the Dhar...
------
"The only other possibility would be divine," you observe. "A deity willing to dedicate Themselves to a land and take upon Them the burden of purifying a constant stream of Dhar within that land into divine energy."
All eyes turn to Zlata. "Kislev is land, land is Kislev, we are Kislev," she says simply, her voice only betraying a hint of nervousness.
------
So, maybe Gods can just take in Dhar and bring it back into the Aethyr? Or... maybe land-spirits can safely take in Dhar? (Or maybe only Sky-Titans-like beings, those beings which I suspect might be part of the life cycle of the planet in some way, in that they eventually turn into mountains or otherwise enrich the planet. Maybe. I mean, we only have like one data-point about Titans-and-mountains, it'd be a bit wrong to generalize just from that one data-point. For all we know, it could be like the Sky Titan equivalent of a human wizard using magic to transform into a Giant or Dragon... or becoming an Avatar of their God. Imagine if that was your only datapoint, and you concluded that humans were necessary for the creation of animals. Or were necessary for funneling energy to the Gods, to the Aethyr.) (Either way, the Great Maw is a worrying thing. What if it's eating into the quote-unquote Lifestream of the planet?)
Maybe some beings can neutralize Dhar; maybe life-magic can do so. The Everqueen seems to be anti-dhar for example.
But Asuryan... maybe the thing that the Elves shield their Kings from... is Dhar? The Dhar aspect of 'a physical thing that includes memory/soul transference or knowledge'? ... Nah. Probly not.
Nehekharan Undead, and Vampires, being immortal and possibly having to run on Dhar or Warpstone or something to achieve that...
I wonder if Nagash when he created his Elixir of Life, was actually treading on similar sort of origins or ground as the Old Ones did when they created Gods or Immortals?
... And the recent sidestory bits in Dynamic Alcoholism, with fights against dragons and a vampire, and them mentioning diablerie by vampires and how it results in vampires absorbing some ego and memories and stuff from older vampires...
That sure sounds a bit similar to how the Nemesis Crown -- created on Warpstone -- works, huh? And related to immortality in general?
Perhaps... perhaps the "problem" is that immortality or the passing on of knowledge/memories/etc -- such as it is -- is only meant to happen in the Aethyr? And not in the material world? Or, rather, perhaps what is being passed on is not knowledge/wisdom... but instead Soul-stuff. And soul-stuff in the material world, if moved outside of a body, does not turn into Primordial Sevir; it collapses into all the Winds and curdles into Dhar?
i.e. Perhaps immortality -- or not immortality, but materialization-of-the-soul -- in the physical world (as opposed to in the Aethyr) is achieved or done through, or results in, Dhar or Warpstone?
Either way, Nagash and his Elixir is interesting.
And Vampires eating other Vampires, and resulting in them absorbing some of their memories or personality... ... That could just be a side-effect of an immortal being absorbing another immortal being; the trouble with being immortal is that, well... you are immortal. That means you don't die. Not even if another immortal goes all Highlander on you. So, what happens if you do get Highlander'd? Well, that other immortals absorbs part of your personality or memories or something. Hence, diablerie being a tricky thing that can cause insanity.
I've wondered about the Flame of Asuryan and the mantle of the Everqueen. (And of Ariel and Orion both. One being an elf... the other being a reincarnating demigod.) I wondered if the Flame and the Everqueen mantle also additionally served as a pool of Primordial Sever or Life Energy or something...
... Other thoughts: Zlata revealed that the Ancient Widow might be able to do something with the Dhar...
------
"The only other possibility would be divine," you observe. "A deity willing to dedicate Themselves to a land and take upon Them the burden of purifying a constant stream of Dhar within that land into divine energy."
All eyes turn to Zlata. "Kislev is land, land is Kislev, we are Kislev," she says simply, her voice only betraying a hint of nervousness.
------
So, maybe Gods can just take in Dhar and bring it back into the Aethyr? Or... maybe land-spirits can safely take in Dhar? (Or maybe only Sky-Titans-like beings, those beings which I suspect might be part of the life cycle of the planet in some way, in that they eventually turn into mountains or otherwise enrich the planet. Maybe. I mean, we only have like one data-point about Titans-and-mountains, it'd be a bit wrong to generalize just from that one data-point. For all we know, it could be like the Sky Titan equivalent of a human wizard using magic to transform into a Giant or Dragon... or becoming an Avatar of their God. Imagine if that was your only datapoint, and you concluded that humans were necessary for the creation of animals. Or were necessary for funneling energy to the Gods, to the Aethyr.) (Either way, the Great Maw is a worrying thing. What if it's eating into the quote-unquote Lifestream of the planet?)
Maybe some beings can neutralize Dhar; maybe life-magic can do so. The Everqueen seems to be anti-dhar for example.
But Asuryan... maybe the thing that the Elves shield their Kings from... is Dhar? The Dhar aspect of 'a physical thing that includes memory/soul transference or knowledge'? ... Nah. Probly not.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
Do we know that it was strictly Asuryan who rose from the dead? The text only calls him a 'flaming phoenix' who smote about him, driving back the Four. What if it was Aenarion, bearing Widowmaker, something which was shown to be a concept that even the Chaos Gods reeled in terror about when he went to take it up, outright pleading with him not to do it alongside everyone except Khaine. Asuryan's Shrine is depicted as a great pyramid, after all, and there's something of a recurring element of people walking into holy fires and emerging from them when everyone else was certain they would have died.
Do you have the name or location of that city? I was looking at the maps earlier but nothing stood out.
... "Waystone Nuke"? Well, I guess Mathilde's accidentally working on the Manhattan Project. Good thing we don't have any secret Chaos infiltrators, eh?And it's one I'm glad has finally seen the light of day. Some might recall a heavily-redacted chart I posted quite a while back...
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I read that as Warpstone Nuke, but I think your interpretation is probably more solid.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Switching to Stirlandian after thinking about how estrangement from her home and her place in it is probably one of the bigger pain points of this whole thing - stating in no uncertain terms that her place in her home and her role within it are still here to stay could be beneficial to her.
[X] Yes
[X] Stirlandian
[X] Yes
[X] Stirlandian
Last edited:
I did too at first, but the handwriting matches the "Y" from Asuryan.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We'll we only need to wait ~25 years for the skaven to invent a warpstone nuke on schedule
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Yes
[X] Stirlandian
[X] Stirlandian
Remember that the Everqueen is a corporate entity, a hivemind/collective of linked souls of all the Everqueens who have ever lived, all the way back to Isha. Isha is just the first and most powerful of the collective.
The Everqueen is pretty similar to a half way to how the only sources we have describe how gods form in Warhammer, as conglomerations of souls.
Name unknown, but inside the Forest of Knives, apparently.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Yes
[X] Secrets
[X] Secrets
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Yes
[X] Wizard
[X] Secrets
[X] Wizard
[X] Secrets
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
So, the gods have clearly been associated with animals. Cor-Dum seems likely to have been associated with goats -- y'know, one of the few animals that Dawi herd on their own? Then Cor-Dum was horribly betrayed and wounded over and over, driven mad and despising of the civilization that had once been his domain, and gave rise to the goatmen that exist today? Which could be why the beastmen known to the Empire are the way they are, they're as much a product of Cor-Dum as the Skaven are of the Horned Rat?