SMH imagine not going for cannibal
And What a Dance it Was (NO SV, War is Coming, Prepare)
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Welp that convinced me. Time to be a dragon seed that lives on Dragonstone who can catch lots of fish for Greyghost to eat!!
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Canibal belongs to no one.SMH imagine not going for cannibal
That crazy fucker is fearal.
... Ah, going the Nettles route. Problem with that? Where the fuck are you going to get fish and stealth your way to him?
Grey Ghost is a violent fuck!
Edit: But really though, most of this quest will be adventures...and the occasional home management.
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By owning a fishing boat with a big net and then give Greyghost the fish!! Also have mountain climbing as a hobby.....Let me Dream!!!
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Except he's on dragonstone, and unless you live there, trying to tame him would be trouble.By owning a fishing boat with a big net and then give Greyghost the fish!! Also have mountain climbing as a hobby.....Let me Dream!!!
Because the Alternative are a bunch of Assholes lead by a Guy who usurped the Throne against the previous Kings explicit wishes on the sole basis of 'I have a cock, therefore I deserve to rule more!'
Not that the Blacks were Saints by any means, but that fact alone makes me look at Aegon II. with nothing but contempt. And that's not even getting into all the other shit he did.
[X]House Targaryen: The Royal House of Westeros, the House of the Dragons and the Conqueror. Masters of the Iron Throne. You are one of them. The World is entirely in your hands. It is up to you to discover what your destiny is.
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The thing about what Aegon did was simple:
He decided to fight for the tradition of Westerosi inheritance, rather then the rule of law.
That itself should put him at the very bottom of Targaryen King's List as his appeal to the tradition started a civil war.
His actions during the war?
Put him with Aegon the unworthy as one of the worst kings in Westeros.
The Two Betrayers really should have never been given dragons to begin with, much less command in the army.
You mean make things exciting.
Edit: Really though, I think Masryia deseveres better then the hate she gets
I know, that's why I'll vote for it if Dragonseed wins.
Because for all the shit that he does, I don't think Daemon would be a bad father, even to a bastard.
Well then I'll bring said fishing boat to live on Dragonstone!! A house boat even.
Well wasn't just him being a guy. Tradition would point to Aegon being the heir. If Viserys wasn't insisting Rhaenyra was the heir there wouldn't be a issue. Honestly Aegon and Rhaenyra don't look good. Probably doesn't help that Rhaenyra had obvious Strong bastards and then had kids with Daemon. Looks like a future civil war after the Dance if any the Strong bastards and Daemons kids survive.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Frankly, when I look at what we know about the DoD, while Rhaenyra definitely was a flawed Person and Ruler, she gets infinitely more sympathy from me. Plus, there is a legitimate Argument to be made that the War forced her to be more ruthless in her Actions. Losing two of her Children and her Husband definitely didn't help, either, of course.
And finally...a lot of the bad things about her that we hear is knowledge compiled by in-Universe Maesters who tended to be chauvinistic and mysognistic to the extreme.
Martin has explicitly said multiple times to take what we 'know' about Rhaenyra's so-called 'bad' quality as a Ruler and Person with a big grain of Salt.
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From how I read Fire and Blood, and the Dance of Dragons, Daemon was a fantastic dad to all his children, stepchildren, and his 'adopted' children from when he married Rhaeyna.
Even if he was a bit of a creep and may have groomed Rheayna from a young age (Yes, I said it. Daemon did do some shit)
Well, now I've just added the fisherman option to the starting course... so realistic.Well then I'll bring said fishing boat to live on Dragonstone!! A house boat even.
The thing is, Viserys chose to make his daughter the heir in spite of that, breaking all sorts of traditions and outright making it official, far before his last dying days when he was emotionally manipulated by Otto and Alicent Hightower into making Aegon Heir.
I truly think he loved Aemma Arryn (his first wife), so much that the grief destroyed him.
However, I believe that at the end of the day, we will never know the full story and we will never know the truth, just interpretations.
No matter what House of the Dragon gives us.
I believe that she was character assassinated.
The Hightowers really wanted to look good after the Dance, so I think that the truth of her actions are somewhere in the middle. With both ruthless pragmatism, and mercy.
Also I agree with martian....
But i also agree with this statement from Napoleon.
History is a lie agreed upon.
True, and I, for one, am eager to see yours.
Also true. Like I said, she definitely did make mistakes. But I believe they mostly came from a place of Humanity, like grief and anger over her losses more then just her being inherently bad or evil.
Well there was Daemon making his " Heir for a day" comment. Made Rhaenyra look more appealing to a grieving Viserys. Then there is Viserys could of changed his mind once Aegon was born. No one would of blamed him. But didn't. Whether from emotional reasons, thinking Aegon would be a bad ruler, or any type of reason you can think of.
I am in the Viserys loved Aemma to the point of just not carrying about what people thought of his pick. Viserys can be stubborn when he wants to be. Though there is flaws in Viserys obviously. Can blind himself to certain things like the flaws of certain people in his family(all his family really).
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[-]House Targaryen: The Royal House of Westeros, the House of the Dragons and the Conqueror. Masters of the Iron Throne. You are one of them. The World is entirely in your hands. It is up to you to discover what your destiny is.
Let's make the War of the Stepstones a lasting thing, and not a gloryhound raid, by playing as this hilarious guy:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OZsHPblUE
Let's make the War of the Stepstones a lasting thing, and not a gloryhound raid, by playing as this hilarious guy:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OZsHPblUE
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I don't think the groomer part was ever in question, at least from me.
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You won't be playing as any canon member of House Targaryen. You will be playing your own OC you create.
That will actually be your choice.
You even have a choice to be in the generation of Viserys the third, Adam "LOYAL Valyreon, and the Okenfist, if you like.
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[X]House Targaryen: The Royal House of Westeros, the House of the Dragons and the Conqueror. Masters of the Iron Throne. You are one of them. The World is entirely in your hands. It is up to you to discover what your destiny is.
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Oh? That kinda changes things up for the whole succession issue. Will we be playing some cadet line member, a la Blackfyre?
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No.
You will be part of the main line. however, depending on who your parents are... situations will abound.
Especially when it comes to what the fuck is going to occur.
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[X] The Dragonseed of the Crownlands: You are a Dragon seed, a dragon-blooded smallfolk from the Crownlands, that came to the Islands thousands of years prior, you have no true power or influence on the affairs of the world, not unless you take it with both hands.
Now, here is what I hope we will be doing:
- step 1: get a dragon (somehow) as a smallfolk
- step 2: get permission from the Iron Throne to go to Essos to make my own way
- step 2.5: work as a mercenary for a couple of years, building up funds, loyal men, a reputation for being trusthworthy, etc.
- step 3: try to form an alliance of, among others, myself, the Iron Throne, Braavos, some of the Free Cities, Ibb, and the surviving cities of Saath.
- step 4: reconquer parts of what is now the Dothraki Sea that were part of the Saarnori Empire.
- step 5: as a condition for this alliance for us joining with our Dragon: the requocured lands become a true Republic, based on the principles of Freedom, Equality, and Brotherhood. Were there are no nobles abusing smallfolk, no Slavers abusing Slaves, were all are equal before the law.
- Only reason that Saarnori Empire fell was the various city-states infighting and underestimating the Dothraki. Dothraki historically feared Dragons. Thus, with help of a Dragon-rider or 2, rebuilding a State in their former lands should be doable.
- Westerosi strategy (build castles everywhere) was historically a solution in much of Central Europe for raiding by the light horse raiders of Hongary. Dothraki don't do siege equipement. Thus Westerosi Knights in Armor with castles should be a viable strategy to take land from the Dothraki.
- Giving all those Westerosi second-and third son nobility who are itching for a change to fight, prove themself, and gain some land for themself to support themself an option to do so by fighting an external enemy which is morally / religiously an 'acceptable' target may remove some of the pressure for war from among the nobility.
- The Faith of the Seven will be overjoyed by all those brave Warriors going off to fight the Slavers, as slavery is an Abomination in the eyes of the Faith. Pleasing the Faith is always nice for a royal dynasty, and if the Targaryen Family feels less then enthousiastic about endorshing some smallfolk bastard taking one of their precious Dragons and going of to do an Aegon the Dragon in Essos, well, the political pressure by the Faith might just make them reconsider. After all, Jahearys remembers the wars against Meagor the Cruel. So we might actually get some powerfull ally's and Royal backing in this endevour.
- The Dothraki don't have allies, not really. Thus, they are a viable target to take land from to found a third non-slavery state in this area of the world (beside Westeros and Braavos). If you attack any of the Free Cities (Pentos, Myr, Volantis etc) or the Stepstones to take it over and abolish Slavery, the other Cities will likely ally together and come to it's aid to kick you out. But all can support kicking down the Dothraki a peg or 2. As Corlys and Deamon found out, the Stepstones can be taken, but holding them against a coalition of Free Cities is hard. But the Dothraki? those are practically free real estate. After we beat them. If we beat them.
Just for this, you get an extra like. If she had never given that order, she might have been able to claim a complete moral superiority. But avenging the kinslaying (and arguable, if not against the letter but very much the spirit of Guest-slaying) of your son through such a vile deed was abhorent. She should have send those 2 to kill her half-brother who murdered her sun, or Aegon who abided it, or even the murder of Alicent Hightower for all the shit she caused. Not kill a different innocent child while in sight and psycho-torturing Aegon's wife and other young child.
Now, here is what I hope we will be doing:
- step 1: get a dragon (somehow) as a smallfolk
- step 2: get permission from the Iron Throne to go to Essos to make my own way
- step 2.5: work as a mercenary for a couple of years, building up funds, loyal men, a reputation for being trusthworthy, etc.
- step 3: try to form an alliance of, among others, myself, the Iron Throne, Braavos, some of the Free Cities, Ibb, and the surviving cities of Saath.
- step 4: reconquer parts of what is now the Dothraki Sea that were part of the Saarnori Empire.
- step 5: as a condition for this alliance for us joining with our Dragon: the requocured lands become a true Republic, based on the principles of Freedom, Equality, and Brotherhood. Were there are no nobles abusing smallfolk, no Slavers abusing Slaves, were all are equal before the law.
- Only reason that Saarnori Empire fell was the various city-states infighting and underestimating the Dothraki. Dothraki historically feared Dragons. Thus, with help of a Dragon-rider or 2, rebuilding a State in their former lands should be doable.
- Westerosi strategy (build castles everywhere) was historically a solution in much of Central Europe for raiding by the light horse raiders of Hongary. Dothraki don't do siege equipement. Thus Westerosi Knights in Armor with castles should be a viable strategy to take land from the Dothraki.
- Giving all those Westerosi second-and third son nobility who are itching for a change to fight, prove themself, and gain some land for themself to support themself an option to do so by fighting an external enemy which is morally / religiously an 'acceptable' target may remove some of the pressure for war from among the nobility.
- The Faith of the Seven will be overjoyed by all those brave Warriors going off to fight the Slavers, as slavery is an Abomination in the eyes of the Faith. Pleasing the Faith is always nice for a royal dynasty, and if the Targaryen Family feels less then enthousiastic about endorshing some smallfolk bastard taking one of their precious Dragons and going of to do an Aegon the Dragon in Essos, well, the political pressure by the Faith might just make them reconsider. After all, Jahearys remembers the wars against Meagor the Cruel. So we might actually get some powerfull ally's and Royal backing in this endevour.
- The Dothraki don't have allies, not really. Thus, they are a viable target to take land from to found a third non-slavery state in this area of the world (beside Westeros and Braavos). If you attack any of the Free Cities (Pentos, Myr, Volantis etc) or the Stepstones to take it over and abolish Slavery, the other Cities will likely ally together and come to it's aid to kick you out. But all can support kicking down the Dothraki a peg or 2. As Corlys and Deamon found out, the Stepstones can be taken, but holding them against a coalition of Free Cities is hard. But the Dothraki? those are practically free real estate. After we beat them. If we beat them.
[X]The Dragonseed of the Crownlands: You are a Dragon seed, a dragon-blooded smallfolk from the Crownlands, that came to the Islands thousands of years prior, you have no true power or influence on the affairs of the world, not unless you take it with both hands.