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When you're writing, do you ever have an errant thought that suddenly gives you whiplash over how interesting it could be?
Yeah. Just had that.
Yeah. Just had that.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I don't think it would be Umgi Ankor, since that would have fit just as well for old Tylos and living Nehekhara. Or even Cathay in the days of the now abandoned eastern Holds. And the Dwarves know very well that all of those are very different entities.
Sigmar Ankor, Sigmaral Ankor, or Sigmarak Ankor all sound sound possible though. Or even Ankor-a-Sigmar, though I'm kess sure on the grammar on that one.
I don't think that in all of history there's been precedent for what you just said.
Best fitting example is the Holy Roman Empire, which got dissolved, then became the North German (Deutsche) Confederation, then became the German Empire, then the German Realm, split up into East and West and finally just Deutschland colloquially (because Federal Republic of Germany is a mouthful and the acronym fetish was left behind with the GDR).
And this Holy Roman Empire might only have existed for a single millennium (or less) instead of the two and a half if Sigmar's, but that's partially due to the inflated timelines of pretty much all older fantasy settings and the Holy Roman Empire at least pretended to be a continuation of another Empire that already existed for another thousand years before that.
In comparison the United Kingdom with that official name only exists for a bit over two hundred years and under the name Kingdom of Great Britain for another century before that, even if England and Scotland had been ruled by the same monarch for an additional century before that.
So given that y'all changed name two times in two centuries and that that's only another two centuries ago, I'm surprised that you'd think you would continue calling yourself UK if you became a republic. In fact, last time you were a republic, 1649-1660, you also stopped calling yourself Kingdom (of England, Scotland and Ireland respectively) and instead changed to Commonwealth (of those countries). And that's after a Kingdom of England had existed for 700+ years and a Kingdom om Scotland for 800+ years.
Changing costume traditions to that of Carnevale would be a westernization more than a secularization. Dressing up in costumes at around that time has been a Catholic tradition for a long time. And might have existed in similar but different fashion among Greek pagans for even longer.
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They didn't call Nehekharans Umgi, though, that name came into being for the first humans to settle the Reik Basin.
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[X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Fatherless)
-[X] One Overwork Action
-[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
-[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
--[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
-[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
--[X] With Panoramia
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
-[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
-[X] One Overwork Action
-[X] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
-[X] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
--[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Tindomiel)
-[X] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[X] Study an artefact: Ghyran Nut
--[X] With Panoramia
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
-[X] KAU: Decide who your library staff will consist of, and go about recruiting them.
-[X] SERENITY: Write a book: Windsoak Mushrooms (1/2)
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I guess they thought the Nehekharans were more impressive.
But it does give the question of what they called Nehekharans.
Queen of the Golden Cities: Mystery of The Jungle
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A clearing in a damp jungle, with the buzz of insects in the air and the silent movement of predators behind the trees. A leather backpack, seemingly discarded in a hurry, lies on the floor with its contents spilling out into the grass. One item is a book with the title Queen of the Golden Cities: Mystery of The Jungle
The MYSTERIOUS land of LUSTRIA holds many SECRETS; but rarely do they leave it's JUNGLE DEPTHS. Times are changing, it seems; a STINK PRIEST, one of the ANCIENT RACE known as LIZARDWOMEN, has come to THE EMPIRE to BEG the aid of MAGDA WESSEN, KNIGHT-WIZARD!
Joined by her closest companions, CONSTANCE BREW & JACOB GOLDENROD, MAGDA WESSEN travels to the ANCIENT TEMPLE CITY, NEX-A-LOTAL, home of the POWERFUL SLUN MAGDAMALDI - or it SHOULD BE, for MAGDAMALDI has been MISSING for MANY YEARS! By reading the ENIGMATIC SCROLLS left their creators, THE OLD, the LIZARDWOMEN have decided that MAGDA is their LEADER REBORN! Requiring her AWESOME LEADERSHIP, they now REFUSE to let MAGDA LEAVE ALIVE!
Despite being TRAPPED in a GILDED CAGE, MADGA finds DELIGHT living her new LAVISH LIFESTYLE, WAITED on HAND AND FOOT by her attendant SARREN WARRIORS. In particular the LONGTOOTH GOQ-KUN, former GUARDIAN of MAGDAMALDI, who felt the ABSENCE of her MISTRESS DEEPLY, and now acts with DESPERATE FERVOR to prove her UNDYING LOYALTY. But ALL IS NOT WELL IN LUSTRIA! In the south the RODENT BEASTMEN of PACK ICKY brew DEVASTATING POISONS to unleash on UNSUSPECTING TEMPLE CITIES! In the north, the devious NIGHT AELFS search for BOOTY AND SLAVES! And the GREAT LEY-WEB, the MAGICAL LATTICE keeping DARK FORCES from entering the world WEAKENS!
MAGDA will need all her SKILL, KNOWLEDGE & WIT to NAVIGATE this BIZARRE SITUATION she finds herself in! Can she HOLD BACK the THREATS to this ANCIENT CIVILISATION? Can she SATISFY her new SUBJECTS without REVEALING herself as a RELUCTANT IMPOSTER? And can she UNCOVER the TRUTH of MAGDAMALDI's DISAPPEARANCE and her own MURKY PAST?
I do not apologise. For what, you may ask? Everything.
The MYSTERIOUS land of LUSTRIA holds many SECRETS; but rarely do they leave it's JUNGLE DEPTHS. Times are changing, it seems; a STINK PRIEST, one of the ANCIENT RACE known as LIZARDWOMEN, has come to THE EMPIRE to BEG the aid of MAGDA WESSEN, KNIGHT-WIZARD!
Joined by her closest companions, CONSTANCE BREW & JACOB GOLDENROD, MAGDA WESSEN travels to the ANCIENT TEMPLE CITY, NEX-A-LOTAL, home of the POWERFUL SLUN MAGDAMALDI - or it SHOULD BE, for MAGDAMALDI has been MISSING for MANY YEARS! By reading the ENIGMATIC SCROLLS left their creators, THE OLD, the LIZARDWOMEN have decided that MAGDA is their LEADER REBORN! Requiring her AWESOME LEADERSHIP, they now REFUSE to let MAGDA LEAVE ALIVE!
Despite being TRAPPED in a GILDED CAGE, MADGA finds DELIGHT living her new LAVISH LIFESTYLE, WAITED on HAND AND FOOT by her attendant SARREN WARRIORS. In particular the LONGTOOTH GOQ-KUN, former GUARDIAN of MAGDAMALDI, who felt the ABSENCE of her MISTRESS DEEPLY, and now acts with DESPERATE FERVOR to prove her UNDYING LOYALTY. But ALL IS NOT WELL IN LUSTRIA! In the south the RODENT BEASTMEN of PACK ICKY brew DEVASTATING POISONS to unleash on UNSUSPECTING TEMPLE CITIES! In the north, the devious NIGHT AELFS search for BOOTY AND SLAVES! And the GREAT LEY-WEB, the MAGICAL LATTICE keeping DARK FORCES from entering the world WEAKENS!
MAGDA will need all her SKILL, KNOWLEDGE & WIT to NAVIGATE this BIZARRE SITUATION she finds herself in! Can she HOLD BACK the THREATS to this ANCIENT CIVILISATION? Can she SATISFY her new SUBJECTS without REVEALING herself as a RELUCTANT IMPOSTER? And can she UNCOVER the TRUTH of MAGDAMALDI's DISAPPEARANCE and her own MURKY PAST?
I do not apologise. For what, you may ask? Everything.
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Goddamn... I mean... Goddamn... I would read it... Or watch it? I would consume the medium.
So it's late as hell, but I feel I have to make the point given how close this is:
Even if you do not think the Gambler will have a major impact on the Foundation (which I think is unlikely since it is a +20 to up to two rolls when the dice size is d100) I still think it will have more of an impact than one more tradition to Foundation. This is not some original paradigm shifting moment, we are not yet at the point of doing anything like that... it is basic sharing notes and given what a lot of the people involved here are secretive and basically playing to find out as much as they can without showing their own hand it will not I think even be all the notes, just enough to give us leads.
Given than other that something truly blindsiding us like 'Jim the talking waystone' I do not think at this point participation in the Foundation or one turn after that will make that much of a difference. By contrast being at the top of our game in the action where we are basically playing poker with an empty hand is I think of greater importance
Even if you do not think the Gambler will have a major impact on the Foundation (which I think is unlikely since it is a +20 to up to two rolls when the dice size is d100) I still think it will have more of an impact than one more tradition to Foundation. This is not some original paradigm shifting moment, we are not yet at the point of doing anything like that... it is basic sharing notes and given what a lot of the people involved here are secretive and basically playing to find out as much as they can without showing their own hand it will not I think even be all the notes, just enough to give us leads.
Given than other that something truly blindsiding us like 'Jim the talking waystone' I do not think at this point participation in the Foundation or one turn after that will make that much of a difference. By contrast being at the top of our game in the action where we are basically playing poker with an empty hand is I think of greater importance
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I'm going back to reading the End Times after a hiatus and damn did I not miss that mess. Imagine a book full of this:
Imagine turning such a tense and pivotal scene, important to the plot and rife for drama, into a bunch of "He said, she said" shit. I'm guilty of writing like this from time to time, but I'd hope I never get to the point where I speak of a pivotal dialogue piece in third person instead of actually writing it.
"Had the council ended there, Gelt would have left a hero. Instead, after Alderfen had been thoroughly discussed, he faced a rancorous onslaught from the Reiksmarshal concerning the failure of the wall of faith around Sylvania. Helborg did not shout, but his voice was tight with anger as he gave a tally of the slaughter inflicted on Averland, Stirland and Ostermark by a reinvigorated Sylvania, events the Reiksmarshal was certain heralded a renewed onslaught from that benighted land; a land that Gelt had claimed to have caged.
It was a mark of Gelt's preoccupation with the war in the north that he had given little thought to Sylvania. Even with the sudden arrival of the undead at Alderfen, he had failed to make the connection – after all, there were more vampires in the Empire than the fiends of Sylvania. Gelt was a clever and perceptive man, but he was also prone to obsession, and so had been blinded to the collapse of his cage. As Helborg's tirade at last came to a close, Gelt realised his folly, and addressed the war council, but he had gone several days without sleep, and his judgement was clouded. As the Supreme Patriarch began speaking, it was his intention to make apology for his failure, but remind all there present that he had never claimed to cage Sylvania – that feat had been attributed to him as rumour had spread. Alas, Gelt was too weary to keep his pride in check, and as a result, his apology was grudging, his outrage at being blamed for others' assumptions all too plain. He had done everything he had promised, the wizard told the council at length. He had blunted the threat from Mannfred von Carstein's return, and bought time for a lasting solution to be found. Gelt did not even realise he had been shouting until he finally fell silent.
Soon after, the council moved onto other business, but it was too late; the damage had been done. Between Gelt's perceived failure in Sylvania and his conduct, the respect he commanded in the eyes of the war council had been heavily eroded. Karl Franz, ever the diplomat, had claimed that the strain of the last few days must lay heavy on Gelt's mind, and suggested that the wizard retire from the council and seek rest. When Gelt refused, the suggestion became an order. In that moment, the Supreme Patriarch was convinced he had lost the Emperor's trust." Page 273
It was a mark of Gelt's preoccupation with the war in the north that he had given little thought to Sylvania. Even with the sudden arrival of the undead at Alderfen, he had failed to make the connection – after all, there were more vampires in the Empire than the fiends of Sylvania. Gelt was a clever and perceptive man, but he was also prone to obsession, and so had been blinded to the collapse of his cage. As Helborg's tirade at last came to a close, Gelt realised his folly, and addressed the war council, but he had gone several days without sleep, and his judgement was clouded. As the Supreme Patriarch began speaking, it was his intention to make apology for his failure, but remind all there present that he had never claimed to cage Sylvania – that feat had been attributed to him as rumour had spread. Alas, Gelt was too weary to keep his pride in check, and as a result, his apology was grudging, his outrage at being blamed for others' assumptions all too plain. He had done everything he had promised, the wizard told the council at length. He had blunted the threat from Mannfred von Carstein's return, and bought time for a lasting solution to be found. Gelt did not even realise he had been shouting until he finally fell silent.
Soon after, the council moved onto other business, but it was too late; the damage had been done. Between Gelt's perceived failure in Sylvania and his conduct, the respect he commanded in the eyes of the war council had been heavily eroded. Karl Franz, ever the diplomat, had claimed that the strain of the last few days must lay heavy on Gelt's mind, and suggested that the wizard retire from the council and seek rest. When Gelt refused, the suggestion became an order. In that moment, the Supreme Patriarch was convinced he had lost the Emperor's trust." Page 273
I'm not going to respond to the rest of the post because I think this point has been debated a lot already, but I want to say something about this specific framing which I've been seeing a few times.
Here's the thing: Mathilde isn't playing poker with an empty hand. Mathilde approached the table with an empty hand, and she has since been working on filling that hand. From our first meeting with the WEB-MAT members:
Mathilde has every intention of reaching the point where we start the project with a number of Empire magical traditions that have actual things to contribute, so that the Empire can serve as more than just an intermediary between the actual players. We recruited the Lights and the Jades for exactly that reason, and currently they are all we have to show for the Empire's magical contribution. The Hedgewise would be another such tradition, and raising the number of cards in the Empire's hand from two to three is no small thing.
And another thing: the only sense in which Mathilde is still playing poker even now when she has recruited a bunch of people who do know about Waystones is that the Eonir mistakenly believe that Mathilde personally has some deep insights into Waystones. The Jades and the Lights will help sell that lie since they are of the Colleges and the Eonir could believe that they shared that knowledge with us, but it would be a lot easier to sell that fib if it wasn't a fib at all, if there was some magical tradition that had insights into Waystones which Mathilde herself knew about. What tradition would that be? What pre-Teclisian knowledge could only the Grey Order access?
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Sounds like Flight School alright.
Paramor or Plot?
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Inspired by the idea of servants overhearing rumors filtering down from the meeting with the Empress from the nobility of her court.
Paramor or Plot?
Sung by a chorus on the streets of Altdorf, pouring out of a tavern.
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
How the Empiress left behind her herd!"
"She left attendants in a whirl,
at the Wedding of two Dwavern princes
she was Bedding a Lady Knight of Stir!"
HECKLER: Who does this fraud think he convinces?
"Nay, fool! No bed, but plot!
Listen not to this foul snot!
I'll tell you the true tale,
of how a heinous act did fail!"
"This Lady Knight did a noble have shot,
that troubled our Empress quite a lot,
for justice she stood proud and broad,
wielding her mighty grey sword!"
HECKLER: Broad! Isn't she supposed to be short?
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
That the Grey Lady Magister sent a bird!"
"For deep within the forest vile,
she danced and pranced and did beguile,
Elves, and Dwarves, and Spirits, oh my!"
HECKLER: I even heard she's been spending time alone with a Dragon!
"What deviant! What foul tale,
but listen friends, the truth will prevail!
Weber is her house, and grey her robe,
Van Hal she served, Sonningwiese her abode."
"Friend to Dwarf and Empress,
cleaner of the darkest mess,
Magister and Lady Grey,
where she goes we shall not say!"
HECKLER: But the Elves! And the Empress! We must pray!
"It's true, she was there that day,
for the Wedding and the Bedding!
But I've heard from a halfling around the bend,
that she has a different lady friend!"
"Of green robes and earthly stock,
so worry not, rumors ever flock,
to persons of magic, mystery and might,
who hunt our betters and give them a fright!"
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
There was a plot and now there's not,
grey mist passed and everyone forgot!"
"What they were planning, and some their lives,
but if you wish to complain, talk to their wives!
The gentlemen missing, when they weren't hissing,
sought to end the new canal for a reason banal. "
"But our Lady and Her Knight,
she ruined their morale in a night!
With shadow horse and misty stride,
assured they'd not disturb, perturb,
our Empress, the Emperor's Bride!"
Paramor or Plot?
Sung by a chorus on the streets of Altdorf, pouring out of a tavern.
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
How the Empiress left behind her herd!"
"She left attendants in a whirl,
at the Wedding of two Dwavern princes
she was Bedding a Lady Knight of Stir!"
HECKLER: Who does this fraud think he convinces?
"Nay, fool! No bed, but plot!
Listen not to this foul snot!
I'll tell you the true tale,
of how a heinous act did fail!"
"This Lady Knight did a noble have shot,
that troubled our Empress quite a lot,
for justice she stood proud and broad,
wielding her mighty grey sword!"
HECKLER: Broad! Isn't she supposed to be short?
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
That the Grey Lady Magister sent a bird!"
"For deep within the forest vile,
she danced and pranced and did beguile,
Elves, and Dwarves, and Spirits, oh my!"
HECKLER: I even heard she's been spending time alone with a Dragon!
"What deviant! What foul tale,
but listen friends, the truth will prevail!
Weber is her house, and grey her robe,
Van Hal she served, Sonningwiese her abode."
"Friend to Dwarf and Empress,
cleaner of the darkest mess,
Magister and Lady Grey,
where she goes we shall not say!"
HECKLER: But the Elves! And the Empress! We must pray!
"It's true, she was there that day,
for the Wedding and the Bedding!
But I've heard from a halfling around the bend,
that she has a different lady friend!"
"Of green robes and earthly stock,
so worry not, rumors ever flock,
to persons of magic, mystery and might,
who hunt our betters and give them a fright!"
"Have you heard?
...
The whispered word?"
...
There was a plot and now there's not,
grey mist passed and everyone forgot!"
"What they were planning, and some their lives,
but if you wish to complain, talk to their wives!
The gentlemen missing, when they weren't hissing,
sought to end the new canal for a reason banal. "
"But our Lady and Her Knight,
she ruined their morale in a night!
With shadow horse and misty stride,
assured they'd not disturb, perturb,
our Empress, the Emperor's Bride!"
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When I write MAGDA WESSEN stuff I always wonder if people want to see the next book in the series. Would you?
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I applaud your creativity for being able to scrounge up lyrics for a song/poem. I always envy that talent. It was fun.
Has this individual never seen a Dwarf? Height=/=Broadness.
Prioritizing something that can be added later doesn't make sense to me for a number of reasons, but even fiating away the issues such as we might not be able to even recruit them in time to assist with the action or that they might not know anything relevant.
My biggest issue remains that the foundational action, is as it says. Foundational, it's not just about getting a working theory written down on a chalkboard, it's going to set the tone for initial norms about how members will interact, what is expected contribution wise, and more.
Sure there's a floor on how bad it could get, but ending up with mediocrity here is still going to really hurt future efforts. While an excellent result could make things much easier in the future. So I really think some luck shifting things positively here at the start will heavily compound in the future.
My biggest issue remains that the foundational action, is as it says. Foundational, it's not just about getting a working theory written down on a chalkboard, it's going to set the tone for initial norms about how members will interact, what is expected contribution wise, and more.
Sure there's a floor on how bad it could get, but ending up with mediocrity here is still going to really hurt future efforts. While an excellent result could make things much easier in the future. So I really think some luck shifting things positively here at the start will heavily compound in the future.
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If Thorek and Hatalath get off on the wrong foot then the Hedgewise can do nothing.
Getting to know the Nordland Hedgewise sounds like something we should do, eventually.
Just not right now.
[X] Plan Disregard WEBMAT, Acquire AP (Fatherless)
[X] Plan: No Recruitment
Yeah, but the thing is this is not her lore and neither will the Hedgewise be, it is just adding another player to the table, they too are going to want to give as little as they can while taking all they can get at least to start to, one more ball to juggle. About the only people I do not expect to have to manage like that are the dwarfs because they are bad at poker.I do not think Mathilde knows anything about the Hedgewise, for whatever reason their magic confuses her as much as Hag magic does, as seen in text so this feels to me more than a bit forced.
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Oh awesome! I get to come back to fun new omake!
@primemountain , very nicely done.
And likewise dragonofelder-
Yes absolutely. I've been enjoying you carrying that torch, and I love the implied plot resolutions second books give.
@primemountain , very nicely done.
And likewise dragonofelder-
Yes absolutely. I've been enjoying you carrying that torch, and I love the implied plot resolutions second books give.
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Literally last year Myanmar underwent a military coup d'etat. Hasn't changed its name.
The HRE less actually dissolved than was destroyed by Napoleon. He ripped away most of the Germanic states to form the Rhine Confederation, and then forced Francis II to dissolve the HRE with the unspoken threat of "or else". It was demolished so Napoleon had a buffer between himself and Prussia and Austria.
The last time we became a republic we'd just finished fighting two civil wars over whether the king actually should be in charge and at the end of it, we executed said king. If we were to become a republic today it would almost certainly be after a vote, and if part of that vote wasn't "what do we call ourselves now?" I'd be amazed. I'd also expect that remaining the UK would be an option, and I think it would win.
With the Empire, they have the obvious problem of not really having an alternate name, the tradition of calling themself the Empire for so long it's basically all they're known as, and the fact that even after changing that people will probably continue referring to them as the Empire anyway.