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So, honestly @7th Hex's plan seems very similar to @CyberEnby's plan. Like, hex focuses on the actual negotiation and has a heavy emphasis on the fact that during negotiation, we will be impressing on everyone that all of this is a political fiction that it is in everyone's interests to maintain, while in CyberEnby's plan, there is more focus given to the treatment of the sailors and the ship, and also the fact that cyberEnby also wants to start a movie industry. Honestly, even if we go with the Public Dressing Down plan, I hope we can still adopt some of the specific measures CyberEnby mentioned in their plan (in the first 2 points).

Otherwise, I do like it. It is very much the direct approach.

I do think we could try and approach other countries individually at this moment to get other deals going (like doctors from cuba, teachers for montessori method from india, and just plain any help from USSR). But I'm not sure if anyone else wants to pursue these goals while the rest of the world remembers we exist.

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HeroCooky said:
"The lead Agent of the Section, Agent Goose, his real last name, has given me reason to suspect that an Act of God has not caused the incident but deliberate enemy action. Most notably, not due to infiltration, but by using a new weapon that can disable or distort our equipment. A theory that may be proven by one of our Blackbirds suffering localized equipment failure while overflying the island."
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Industrial Quantities of Obsolete Military Materials
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I think the US might be thinking we're telling the literal truth when we call an aircraft carrier obsolete.
 
Anon500 said:
So, honestly @7th Hex's plan seems very similar to @CyberEnby's plan. Like, hex focuses on the actual negotiation and has a heavy emphasis on the fact that during negotiation, we will be impressing on everyone that all of this is a political fiction that it is in everyone's interests to maintain, while in CyberEnby's plan, there is more focus given to the treatment of the sailors and the ship, and also the fact that cyberEnby also wants to start a movie industry. Honestly, even if we go with the Public Dressing Down plan, I hope we can still adopt some of the specific measures CyberEnby mentioned in their plan (in the first 2 points).

Otherwise, I do like it. It is very much the direct approach.

I do think we could try and approach other countries individually at this moment to get other deals going (like doctors from cuba, teachers for montessori method from india, and just plain any help from USSR). But I'm not sure if anyone else wants to pursue these goals while the rest of the world remembers we exist.

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The answer seems obvious:

Which someone else will need to do because I need to sleep now. :p
 
Anon500 said:
So, honestly @7th Hex's plan seems very similar to @CyberEnby's plan. Like, hex focuses on the actual negotiation and has a heavy emphasis on the fact that during negotiation, we will be impressing on everyone that all of this is a political fiction, while in CyberEnby's plan, there is more focus given to the treatment of the sailors and the ship, and also the fact that cyberEnby also wants to start a movie industry. Honestly, even if we go with the Public Dressing Down plan, I hope we can still adopt some of the specific measures CyberEnby mentioned in her plan (in the first 2 points).

Otherwise, I do like it. It is very much the direct approach.

I do think we could try and approach other countries individually at this moment to get other deals going (like doctors from cuba, teachers for montessori method from india, and just plain any help from USSR). But I'm not sure if anyone else wants to pursue these goals while the rest of the world remembers we exist.
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Honestly, I didn't think I focused that much on the actual meat of the negotiations. We already figured out most of what we wanted to do last turn, and it's only a matter of figuring out the nitty gritty of how exactly this is going to happen, something we can safely delegate to our diplomats and negotiators, since that's what we have them for. Most of my plan was focused on shutting down any ruckus raised by the US by informing them in front of the entire world just how close they came to starting WW3, then offering them a fig leaf of pretending it never happened if they just shut up, sit down, and play along with the story we've got going.

As for the alternative payments, I agree with @CyberEnby about getting some of our reparations in industry and food so I put it in my plan, but I don't think we are going to get anything useful from Hollywood film equipment. We picked both a Good Secret Police and Heavy Social Oppression back at the beginning of the quest, so I feel it's a safe guess that we inherited a good Department of Propaganda from our father, and combine that with our ludicrous 80% public approval before we have a chance to get food from the US I feel that we don't need much more internal propaganda. Nobody outside Guangchou is going to trust propaganda no matter how high quality it is anyway, for the same reason that nobody trusts North Korean propaganda OTL, so I don't expect a notable benefit there either.

Finally I would like to bring in foreign teachers and doctors like you suggested, but I don't think that is something to do this turn because we are all hands on deck dealing with the Iwo Jima crisis right now, and since the only teachers we could get from America as reparations are capitalist teachers, unless they are hidden socialists or not straight cis-men already, in which case they might come of their own volition. We'd be better off doing deals with individual countries for teachers and brainpower after this is over.
 
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The movie studio is for propaganda inside the communist sphere. Exposure is one way of getting people to be less weirded out by queer people and I don't think anyone else is going to step up to the plate to represent. Making Commiewood is one way for us to push the social revolution on our allies.
 
CyberEnby said:
The answer seems obvious:

Which someone else will need to do because I need to sleep now. :p
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edit: Since @7th Hex has changed his original plan, the fusion plan I created has been moved into a spoiler. You can still see everything for that plan, but I want to be clear that you should go vote for @7th Hex's original Public Dressing Down plan if you like the options you see in this plan. They are almost the same thing now (The only additional thing here is the movie equipment option, which will not be a part of 7th Hex's plan).

Alright, to be clear, This is a fusion of @CyberEnby's and @7th Hex's plans because they are so familiar. I may be breaking 7th Hex's plan up into smaller points, but this is still essentially a fusion of their 2 plans

[ ] Plan: Public Dressing Down, with Clear Instructions for the Ship
-[ ] We have the momentum, so while everyone else is still without a coherent plan steamroll forward and get people to work with us by being the only people with a plan. Start working on how to return the US navy personnel and what to do about the carrier, all couched within the political fiction we built about it being just an incident of the US littering on Guangchou territory. It is vitally important to everyone that the fiction stays intact, or else the nukes get one step closer to being launched and nobody wants that.
-[] State that in the interest of avoiding Nuclear Armageddon, Guangchou is willing to allow the Americans to retrieve or destroy any sensitive information or technology currently aboard the Iwo Jima, as well as evacuate it's sailors, so long as the personnel dispatched to do so are unarmed and do not act to cause further harm to Guangchou.
-[] Guangchou is willing to let the Americans decide if they want to re-float the carrier or just decommission it in place, however they will have to do so with civilian workers and they will need to reimburse Guangchou for the temporary loss of fertile soil as well as for any soil remediation that needs to be done afterwards (because their carrier is leaking engine oil and avgas into land needed to feed the country's population) in addition to the initial hazardous littering fine.
-[] Agree to common sense concessions like a party of observers from neutral nations (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) to ensure that US personnel are being treated well and that the USA don't try to sneak spies into or steal information from Guangchou during the operation, but don't let any nation bully us into anything. We are still under Chinese protection after all.
-[] If necessary, create a Special Diplomatic Zone centred on the Iwo Jima where international observers and press from a neutral country (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) may come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship. They will be allowed to operate in this zone (once again, so long as they are unarmed and not engaged in activities threatening the safety of the nation) in order to ease tensions while minimizing the impingement on Gunagchou's sovereignty.
-[] Work with the US to make a payment plan of yearly installments over 5 years. Be reasonable, we know this is quite sudden and the fine for littering this much of material is quite high. Allow for partial repayment in non-monetary materials, with up the a third of the fine being able to be paid in industrial equipment of equal value, and another third being able to be paid in quality foodstuffs. Defective equipment, parasite ridden food, and other things of that nature will not be counted towards the total of what they owe, and they may be fined further for any damage caused by defective equipment or outbreaks.
-[] To fuck with them a bit and give ourselves a lead, include that that can include one Hollywood studio's worth of equipment and technical experts to jumpstart the domestic entertainment industry (ie: the physical infrastructure like cameras, lighting, etc. as well as teaching our people about practical effects, cinematography, etc.)
-[ ] If the USA or any other NATO nation starts getting overly aggressive or pushy about us doing anything to the crew of the carrier or something, tell them Guangchou would not do such a thing as Guangchou does not wish to start World War 3 and be leveled to the ground for the second time in 50 years.
-[](Look the US contingent dead in the eyes) "After all, in a completely hypothetical situation where a hypothetical USN carrier hypothetically ended up beached in Guangchou, with the rest of the hypothetical carrier's hypothetical fleet playing a hypothetical game of chicken with a hypothetical Chinese fleet on who will break first and fire a hypothetical shot, it sure would be hard for Guangchou to keep together a hypothetical political fiction it put up in order to stop a hypothetical nuclear exchange as part of a hypothetical world war if an incident happened. Like a pair of hypothetical US pilots hypothetically breaching Guangchou airspace in a hypothetical spy plane by taking in on a hypothetical flight path that took the hypothetical plane directly down 72nd street in Guangchou's capitol, only 50m meters off the ground. Such a thing happening would surely bring the world much closer to mutually assured nuclear annihilation. So we sure are glad such an incident Never. Happened. Right?"
-[ ] If anyone brings up secret superweapons that we used to intentionally beach the carrier, deny that we have any secret superweapons, and say that even if we did have them we would not use them against the USA out of a desire to not be consumed in a nuclear fireball. Even disregarding death by ICBM, we have no reason to try to steal the Iwo Jima like that as whatever we could get from a 40 year old obsolete carrier is not worth the damage the tsunami did to our agriculture and infrastructure.
-[ ] Once the Department of Propaganda has made sure that none of our soldiers are going to shoot at the US Navy personnel and make this whole indecent even worse, get them working with whatever we have for an international relations department to translate our story into other languages and get it going internationally before the capitalist media gets the first word in.
-[ ] Keep the Iron Tigers bundled up far away from international attention to keep them hidden, and just rely on our regular military in the area for now until this is over and all the observers go away.

So, yeah, this is the fusion plan.

I would also like to propose a plan which just adds a couple options to the fusion plan above:
plan: Public Dressing Down While Forming Future Friendships
-[] See if you can talk to allies (China, USSR) and neutral countries (India, Indonesia, Ireland) and get them on the same page as us for negotiations. Try and do this quickly, before western nations organize a firm plan in response. If not possible, confront US and all other nations at the same time
-[] Immediately after negotiations are hopefully resolved, approach allies and neutral nations (even if they weren't approached before) and thank them for their help as long as these nations voted in a way to deescalate the situation. Out of the neutral nations, pay special attention and try and foster a relationship with India and Cuba, as there may be further negotiations with these countries in the near future

edit: please go here if you want to see all the plan details, which are in a spoiler. My apologies for the messy structure here

7th Hex said:
Honestly, I didn't think I focused that much on the actual meat of the negotiations. We already figured out most of what we wanted to do last turn, and it's only a matter of figuring out the nitty gritty of how exactly this is going to happen, something we can safely delegate to our diplomats and negotiators, since that's what we have them for. Most of my plan was focused on shutting down any ruckus raised by the US by informing them in front of the entire world just how close they came to starting WW3, then offering them a fig leaf of pretending it never happened if they just shut up, sit down, and play along with the story we've got going.

Finally I would like to bring in foreign teachers and doctors like you suggested, but I don't think that is something to do this turn because we are all hands on deck dealing with the Iwo Jima crisis right now, and since the only teachers we could get from America as reparations are capitalist teachers, unless they are hidden socialists or not straight cis-men already, in which case they might come of their own volition. We'd be better off doing deals with individual countries for teachers and brainpower after this is over.
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I guess I was not being very precise or clear. Your plan very much focused on an attitude during negotiation of being very clear that everyone should accept the political fiction. However, I never felt like @CyberEnby's plan coouldn't include that, or that they wouldn't want to include it, so I thought it would be a good idea to fuse these plan together so all the details are covered

Not sure if this was all wasted effort, but its done[/SPOILER]
 
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[X] Public Dressing Down While Forming Future Friendships


Just going to include all the plan actions below, since I know it is a laid out a bit messily in my previous post:
-[ ] We have the momentum, so while everyone else is still without a coherent plan steamroll forward and get people to work with us by being the only people with a plan. Start working on how to return the US navy personnel and what to do about the carrier, all couched within the political fiction we built about it being just an incident of the US littering on Guangchou territory. It is vitally important to everyone that the fiction stays intact, or else the nukes get one step closer to being launched and nobody wants that.
-[] State that in the interest of avoiding Nuclear Armageddon, Guangchou is willing to allow the Americans to retrieve or destroy any sensitive information or technology currently aboard the Iwo Jima, as well as evacuate it's sailors, so long as the personnel dispatched to do so are unarmed and do not act to cause further harm to Guangchou.
-[] Guangchou is willing to let the Americans decide if they want to re-float the carrier or just decommission it in place, however they will have to do so with civilian workers and they will need to reimburse Guangchou for the temporary loss of fertile soil as well as for any soil remediation that needs to be done afterwards (because their carrier is leaking engine oil and avgas into land needed to feed the country's population) in addition to the initial hazardous littering fine.
-[] Agree to common sense concessions like a party of observers from neutral nations (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) to ensure that US personnel are being treated well and that the USA don't try to sneak spies into or steal information from Guangchou during the operation, but don't let any nation bully us into anything. We are still under Chinese protection after all.
-[] If necessary, create a Special Diplomatic Zone centred on the Iwo Jima where international observers and press from a neutral country (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) may come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship. They will be allowed to operate in this zone (once again, so long as they are unarmed and not engaged in activities threatening the safety of the nation) in order to ease tensions while minimizing the impingement on Gunagchou's sovereignty.
-[] Work with the US to make a payment plan of yearly installments over 5 years. Be reasonable, we know this is quite sudden and the fine for littering this much of material is quite high. Allow for partial repayment in non-monetary materials, with up the a third of the fine being able to be paid in industrial equipment of equal value, and another third being able to be paid in quality foodstuffs. Defective equipment, parasite ridden food, and other things of that nature will not be counted towards the total of what they owe, and they may be fined further for any damage caused by defective equipment or outbreaks.
-[] To fuck with them a bit and give ourselves a lead, include that that can include one Hollywood studio's worth of equipment and technical experts to jumpstart the domestic entertainment industry (ie: the physical infrastructure like cameras, lighting, etc. as well as teaching our people about practical effects, cinematography, etc.)
-[ ] If the USA or any other NATO nation starts getting overly aggressive or pushy about us doing anything to the crew of the carrier or something, tell them Guangchou would not do such a thing as Guangchou does not wish to start World War 3 and be leveled to the ground for the second time in 50 years.
-[](Look the US contingent dead in the eyes) "After all, in a completely hypothetical situation where a hypothetical USN carrier hypothetically ended up beached in Guangchou, with the rest of the hypothetical carrier's hypothetical fleet playing a hypothetical game of chicken with a hypothetical Chinese fleet on who will break first and fire a hypothetical shot, it sure would be hard for Guangchou to keep together a hypothetical political fiction it put up in order to stop a hypothetical nuclear exchange as part of a hypothetical world war if an incident happened. Like a pair of hypothetical US pilots hypothetically breaching Guangchou airspace in a hypothetical spy plane by taking in on a hypothetical flight path that took the hypothetical plane directly down 72nd street in Guangchou's capitol, only 50m meters off the ground. Such a thing happening would surely bring the world much closer to mutually assured nuclear annihilation. So we sure are glad such an incident Never. Happened. Right?"
-[ ] If anyone brings up secret superweapons that we used to intentionally beach the carrier, deny that we have any secret superweapons, and say that even if we did have them we would not use them against the USA out of a desire to not be consumed in a nuclear fireball. Even disregarding death by ICBM, we have no reason to try to steal the Iwo Jima like that as whatever we could get from a 40 year old obsolete carrier is not worth the damage the tsunami did to our agriculture and infrastructure.
-[ ] Once the Department of Propaganda has made sure that none of our soldiers are going to shoot at the US Navy personnel and make this whole indecent even worse, get them working with whatever we have for an international relations department to translate our story into other languages and get it going internationally before the capitalist media gets the first word in.
-[ ] Keep the Iron Tigers bundled up far away from international attention to keep them hidden, and just rely on our regular military in the area for now until this is over and all the observers go away.
-[] See if you can talk to allies (China, USSR) and neutral countries (India, Indonesia, Ireland) and get them on the same page as us for negotiations. Try and do this quickly, before western nations organize a firm plan in response. If not possible, confront US and all other nations at the same time
-[] Immediately after negotiations are hopefully resolved, approach allies and neutral nations (even if they weren't approached before) and thank them for their help as long as these nations voted in a way to deescalate the situation. Out of the neutral nations, pay special attention and try and foster a relationship with India and Cuba, as there may be further negotiations with these countries in the near future
 
MC: We have a weapon that could generate tsunamis and beach carriers? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!?

@HeroCooky you still gonna write the meeting between the trans doc and her sailor bro?

Anon500 said:
Alright, to be clear, This is a fusion of @CyberEnby's and @7th Hex's plans because they are so familiar. I may be breaking 7th Hex's plan up into smaller points, but this is still essentially a fusion of their 2 plans

[ ] Plan: Public Dressing Down, with Clear Instructions for the Ship
-[ ] We have the momentum, so while everyone else is still without a coherent plan steamroll forward and get people to work with us by being the only people with a plan. Start working on how to return the US navy personnel and what to do about the carrier, all couched within the political fiction we built about it being just an incident of the US littering on Guangchou territory. It is vitally important to everyone that the fiction stays intact, or else the nukes get one step closer to being launched and nobody wants that.
-[] State that in the interest of avoiding Nuclear Armageddon, Guangchou is willing to allow the Americans to retrieve or destroy any sensitive information or technology currently aboard the Iwo Jima, as well as evacuate it's sailors, so long as the personnel dispatched to do so are unarmed and do not act to cause further harm to Guangchou.
-[] Guangchou is willing to let the Americans decide if they want to re-float the carrier or just decommission it in place, however they will have to do so with civilian workers and they will need to reimburse Guangchou for the temporary loss of fertile soil as well as for any soil remediation that needs to be done afterwards (because their carrier is leaking engine oil and avgas into land needed to feed the country's population) in addition to the initial hazardous littering fine.
-[] Agree to common sense concessions like a party of observers from neutral nations (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) to ensure that US personnel are being treated well and that the USA don't try to sneak spies into or steal information from Guangchou during the operation, but don't let any nation bully us into anything. We are still under Chinese protection after all.
-[] If necessary, create a Special Diplomatic Zone centred on the Iwo Jima where international observers and press from a neutral country (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) may come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship. They will be allowed to operate in this zone (once again, so long as they are unarmed and not engaged in activities threatening the safety of the nation) in order to ease tensions while minimizing the impingement on Gunagchou's sovereignty.
-[] Work with the US to make a payment plan of yearly installments over 5 years. Be reasonable, we know this is quite sudden and the fine for littering this much of material is quite high. Allow for partial repayment in non-monetary materials, with up the a third of the fine being able to be paid in industrial equipment of equal value, and another third being able to be paid in quality foodstuffs. Defective equipment, parasite ridden food, and other things of that nature will not be counted towards the total of what they owe, and they may be fined further for any damage caused by defective equipment or outbreaks.
-[] To fuck with them a bit and give ourselves a lead, include that that can include one Hollywood studio's worth of equipment and technical experts to jumpstart the domestic entertainment industry (ie: the physical infrastructure like cameras, lighting, etc. as well as teaching our people about practical effects, cinematography, etc.)
-[ ] If the USA or any other NATO nation starts getting overly aggressive or pushy about us doing anything to the crew of the carrier or something, tell them Guangchou would not do such a thing as Guangchou does not wish to start World War 3 and be leveled to the ground for the second time in 50 years.
-[](Look the US contingent dead in the eyes) "After all, in a completely hypothetical situation where a hypothetical USN carrier hypothetically ended up beached in Guangchou, with the rest of the hypothetical carrier's hypothetical fleet playing a hypothetical game of chicken with a hypothetical Chinese fleet on who will break first and fire a hypothetical shot, it sure would be hard for Guangchou to keep together a hypothetical political fiction it put up in order to stop a hypothetical nuclear exchange as part of a hypothetical world war if an incident happened. Like a pair of hypothetical US pilots hypothetically breaching Guangchou airspace in a hypothetical spy plane by taking in on a hypothetical flight path that took the hypothetical plane directly down 72nd street in Guangchou's capitol, only 50m meters off the ground. Such a thing happening would surely bring the world much closer to mutually assured nuclear annihilation. So we sure are glad such an incident Never. Happened. Right?"
-[ ] If anyone brings up secret superweapons that we used to intentionally beach the carrier, deny that we have any secret superweapons, and say that even if we did have them we would not use them against the USA out of a desire to not be consumed in a nuclear fireball. Even disregarding death by ICBM, we have no reason to try to steal the Iwo Jima like that as whatever we could get from a 40 year old obsolete carrier is not worth the damage the tsunami did to our agriculture and infrastructure.
-[ ] Once the Department of Propaganda has made sure that none of our soldiers are going to shoot at the US Navy personnel and make this whole indecent even worse, get them working with whatever we have for an international relations department to translate our story into other languages and get it going internationally before the capitalist media gets the first word in.
-[ ] Keep the Iron Tigers bundled up far away from international attention to keep them hidden, and just rely on our regular military in the area for now until this is over and all the observers go away.

So, yeah, this is the fusion plan.

I would also like to propose a plan which just adds a couple options to the fusion plan above:
plan: Public Dressing Down While Forming Future Friendships
-[] See if you can talk to allies (China, USSR) and neutral countries (India, Indonesia, Ireland) and get them on the same page as us for negotiations. Try and do this quickly, before western nations organize a firm plan in response. If not possible, confront US and all other nations at the same time
-[] Immediately after negotiations are hopefully resolved, approach allies and neutral nations (even if they weren't approached before) and thank them for their help as long as these nations voted in a way to deescalate the situation. Out of the neutral nations, pay special attention and try and foster a relationship with India and Cuba, as there may be further negotiations with these countries in the near future



I guess I was not being very precise or clear. Your plan very much focused on an attitude during negotiation of being very clear that everyone should accept the political fiction. However, I never felt like @CyberEnby's plan coouldn't include that, or that they wouldn't want to include it, so I thought it would be a good idea to fuse these plan together so all the details are covered

Not sure if this was all wasted effort, but its done
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Thanks for the plan.

Btw have we already set up (or have a plan to) some sort of designated area the americans can visit to buy stuff or mingle with the locals and somewhere our people can secure and observe adequately? Somewhere we can ensure any conflicts and disagreements are deescalated and resolved as best as possible while allowing at least some interaction. Maybe like a bazaar or something. Probs located within the special diplo zone?
 
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[ ] Plan: Public Dressing Down, with Clear Instructions for the Ship
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That plan looks pretty bloated and there is unnecessary doubling. I'm still not sure either if pushing for wacky things Hollywood equipment is something we should do, given that a big part of the plan is coming off like sensible adults that don't want the start WW3, unlike the US. Asking for repayment Industry and food at least makes more sense because those are the things that were damaged in the tsunami.

-[] Agree to common sense concessions like a party of observers from neutral nations (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) to ensure that US personnel are being treated well and that the USA don't try to sneak spies into or steal information from Guangchou during the operation, but don't let any nation bully us into anything. We are still under Chinese protection after all.
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-[] If necessary, create a Special Diplomatic Zone centred on the Iwo Jima where international observers and press from a neutral country (or one part of the Non-Aligned Movement) may come to oversee and see that we are not treating the Americans as prisoners, and nor are we taking anything from the ship. They will be allowed to operate in this zone (once again, so long as they are unarmed and not engaged in activities threatening the safety of the nation) in order to ease tensions while minimizing the impingement on Gunagchou's sovereignty.
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I just took the first two points of @CyberEnby's plan and copied them into Public Dressing Down since those were the ones people wanted, and there isn't any contradiction between them and the rest of the plan
 
abominable said:
MC: We have a weapon that could generate tsunamis and beach carriers? WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME!?

@HeroCooky you still gonna write the meeting between the trans doc and her sailor bro?



Thanks for the plan.

Btw have we already set up (or have a plan to) some sort of designated area the americans can visit to buy stuff or mingle with the locals and somewhere our people can secure and observe adequately. Somewhere we can ensure any conflicts and disagreements are deescalated and resolved as best as possible while allowing at least some interaction. Maybe like a bazaar or something. Probs located within the special diplo zone?
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I think we need some clarification from @HeroCooky about this actually (We are just asking him all the questions tonight). No one has brought up such an area.... for this vote. However, for our last vote (over 30 pages ago), I believe you made a plan that did include making some preparations for our new visitors (edited so this isn't picked up in the current vote):
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[] send a message asking for the Americans to please come pick up their boat.
-[] The nation's littering laws are currently not suitable for the situation at hand. Pass a new law to allow for a suitable littering fine.
-[] get a field hospital and field kitchen going to help the American sailors, issue orders to our people they they are NOT prisoners but dont let let them wander off.
-[] set up an impromptu immigrations and customs post in case any sailors do want to leave and go into town or something.
-[] Extend a line of credit to the sailors for the duration of their stay. Bill their government the difference afterwards.
-[] Get the Americans addicted to our The Good Stuff™ Homemade Seaween Snacks with its top secret oil-herb-seasoning mix till they're begging for our exports shipments. We shall become a household name!
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I think this vote succeeded, so some of this should be implemented, even if there isn't anything up yet. I would like some clarification on that point though. All we have seen implemented of that plan has been our message for US to pick up their boat and pay the littering fee, and we haven't seen anything about the local accommodations for the sailors that we voted for. It isn't clear if we will have to vote for some of these options again to actually get them implemented.
 
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Anon500 said:
I think this vote succeeded, so some of this should be implemented, even if there isn't anything up yet. I would like some clarification on that point though. All we have seen implemented of that plan has been our message for US to pick up their boat and pay the littering fee, and we haven't seen anything about the local accommodations for the sailors that we voted for.
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The winning vote is found here, and it's just that without the Good Stuff.
 
7th Hex said:
That plan looks pretty bloated and there is unnecessary doubling. I'm still not sure either if pushing for wacky things Hollywood equipment is something we should do, given that a big part of the plan is coming off like sensible adults that don't want the start WW3, unlike the US. Asking for repayment Industry and food at least makes more sense because those are the things that were damaged in the tsunami.

I just took the first two points of @CyberEnby's plan and copied them into Public Dressing Down since those were the ones people wanted, and there isn't any contradiction between them and the rest of the plan
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You know, Since that works as a decent fusion of the 2 plans, I am going to 'remove' the fusion plan I laid out near the top of this page by putting it into a spoiler. The plan Public Dressing Down, with Clear Instructions for the Ship should no longer be used for voting, since the original public dressing down plan now includes all the relevant points.

That being said, My Forming Friendship plan is still distinct though, and I encourage anyone to vote for it.

7th Hex said:
The winning vote is found here, and it's just that without the Good Stuff.
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Thanks for finding this!
 
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since the original public dressing down plan now includes all the relevant points.
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In the interests of clearness I need to announce that Public Dressing Down does not have all the same points as the old combination plan. I specifically left out the part about getting Hollywood film equipment because I personally do not think that we should try to forcing things like that when we are in the middle of Cuban Missile Crisis Squared, and while I think asking for something out there like that would fit sometime else during the quest as Gay North Korea, the biggest part of the plan right now is how we are acting compared to everyone else.

China is in so much turmoil they don't even know that their own fleet is in our waters staring down a US Navy CSG. The USA and their departments are screaming about secret communist superweapons, and the USSR/the rest of the world didn't even know this was going on at all until we announced it publicly.

And into this mess comes Guangchou, willing to sit down and talk it out like a mature adult, with the beginnings of a plan already in place, and offering an olive branch to avoid a nuclear war. That is how we start getting international legitimacy.

So I am against pushing for things like the Hollywood equipment, and if people really want them they should make their own version of the plan as I do not want to include it.
 
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In the interests of clearness I need to announce that Public Dressing Down does not have all the same points as the old combination plan. I specifically left out the part about getting Hollywood film equipment because I personally do not think that we should try to forcing things like that when we are in the middle of Cuban Missile Crisis Squared, and while I think asking for something out there like that would fit sometime else during the quest as Gay North Korea, the biggest part of the plan right now is how we are acting compared to everyone else.

China is in so much turmoil they don't even know that their own fleet is in our waters staring down a US Navy CSG. The USA and their departments are screaming about secret communist superweapons, and the USSR/the rest of the world didn't even know this was going on at all until we announced it publicly.

And into this mess comes Guangchou, willing to sit down and talk it out like a mature adult, with the beginnings of a plan already in place, and offering an olive branch to avoid a nuclear war. That is how we start getting international legitimacy.

So I am against pushing for things like the Hollywood equipment, and if people really want them they should make their own version of the plan as I do not want to include it.
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Sorry, You are correct about this, and I will edit my post to reflect that.

Thank you for being willing to edit your own plan, and for both reviewing things, and making certain points clear, when I have made mistakes. Sorry about this mistake, and I do understand your feelings. I'm glad this was caught before someone made a mistake while voting.
 
[X] Public Dressing Down While Forming Future Friendships

and if someone goes "how can we trust you commies" the response is "If a small nation was next to america, it'd be Capitalist. If a small nation is next to China, it's Communist." :V

Still, this is reasonable, now we can only hope the other side is just as reasonable in turn. Oh god. We have to hope people are logical. God have mercy upon our souls.
 
[x] Public Dressing Down

I have to agree with @7th Hex here. Now really isn't the time to mess around with film equipment. We're already going into this setting the entire tone and clearly deescalating this situation. We're not Tropco, We're not North Korea. We need to clearly indicate to those in power that we're sane, logical, and attempting to deescalate the situation.
 
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