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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation

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Magoose said:
Possibly because the last few nations that transitioned from a dictatorship/communist regime into a democratic system (and most notably Russia), have also transitioned from a command/control economy that focuses more on the welfare of their people to a capitalist economy by outside pressures (mostly the US and the business class within it), leading to more open markets that they are ill-prepared to enter.

Of course, there are exceptions to the rule like in China.
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Did Russia ever actually go democratic? They went from communism to kelptomatic government pretty damn fast.
 
Gigler said:
Nuh, Russia just lost all of its government and administration structure and cadres, had an economy lines destroyed, military command was thrown in chaos, police became almost disbanded, several major crisises, and armed gangsters and criminals took power, resources. Most of natural resources of Russia were sold for almost nothing to prevent hunger and total destruction of everything, and to justify the destruction of USSR by the means of burger. And the drunk incompitent traitor became the leader of the country and he could not be pushed from power because he was supported by USA.

The thing is that actual majority of people of USSR wanted USSR to still exist and had nothing to do with decision to destroy it. And Putin is actually scarily popular among Russian people. I mean,at his lowest his actual support rating was around 50%, and now it's firmly in it's 70%. So he is actually a democratically elected dictator.

And Communism is still very popular in Russia. The second strongest party in Russia is for communists. Putin himself took a couple very big popularity hits for his opinion about Lenin.
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I hope you can forgive my gaps in Knowledge. And perhaps my bias.

Studying the transition of the post soviet world from the 90s has been a hobby of mine rather recently mostly because a dear friend of mine lived in Belarus during the fall of the Iron Curtin, and his stories always fascinated me, especially because his father was a member of the party.

And as much as I read about it here in the west, it's still rather difficult to grasp the Russian perspective on the fall of the union
 
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Spylobster said:
Yeah, Russia's democratic system is so democratic that they've been a de facto one-party state that's been controlled by one guy for more than 20 years.
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Nah they follow the Old Russian Traditions gang.

Political Parties are for show...they are like decoration for the Tsar's Grand Secretary's President's power base.

Don't think anything has changed in terms of Russia's governmental Practices.

Russia's traditional corruption and autocratic government that screwed them over time and time again predate Marx by centuries.

I'm just saying this straight out the gate the USSR had the chance to deal with it and not only failed to curb its influence...but created something that extrapolated the worse qualities of Russian Authoritarianism.

All it took was...opportunity for it to be created and undo many things.

The Video I'm using as an Example is quite enlightening.

The Link.

I know its likely only a Primer...but it's still fairly enlightening.
 
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Tigerstripefish Submarine - Design Proposal
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    • It's too late to get into the fascinating world of first hand accounts of the USSR, but have this:

    @7th Hex, let me know what you think.



    I lowered the displacement compared to yours because I think we need to make smaller and cheaper subs and make many - through between the relatively thin stainless steel hydrodynamic hull and the titanium pressure hull this still leaves a pretty big sub. Probably on the order of 50 meters.
    Added a green/gray tiger stripe camouflage pattern on the ventral part of the sub to help hide it in shallower waters. The green is based on North Korean subs which do the same, and the tiger stripes are both thematically appropriate and good for breaking up its outline.
    Used a blunt nose this time because it's an ambush predator, not a sprinter, and like.. The Gotland uses the same prow so it's good.
    Sonar is a big cylinder array in the nose covered by an acoustically transparent, non-metallic hydrodynamic fairing. There's just no room for a towed array on this sub, and it needs to operate in shallow waters where the towed array is going to snag on the bottom for sure.
    Added a crew escape capsule that can be used to ditch the sub if it's going down. The crew normally bunk in there, and they squeeze in real tight to fit everyone if they need to use it to evacuate everyone at once.
    Switched the torpedoes to a rotating magazine with a three torpedo pop-out launcher like Forward Pass. This gives the sonar a much more unobstructed view and moves another source of machinery noise behind the forward noise baffles so we get less interference with sonar. The difference is that these launchers are just water tight and not air tight because the space the torpedoes occupy is at ambient pressure.
    Total number of torpedoes has gone up to twelve, and the total number that can be guided at once has increased to three. Anti-submarine and anti-surface electric wire guided torpedoes as you suggested, designed to swim out of the launcher - part of what makes the pop out launcher so simple is this swim-out ability.
    I followed your suggestion and used a titanium pressure hull, but I added a stainless steel partial double hull as well as a compromise that would reduce total titanium used while keeping the whole hull non-magnetic.
    The space between the pressure hull and outer hull isn't flooded - it's actually filled with CO2 that is boiled off from a liquid CO2 tank. This prevents water from getting in which makes maintenance much easier and allows for a simple pop-out torpedo launcher because we don't need torpedo tubes acting as an airlock between the pressure hull and the outside.
    I stuck with my original decision to forgo a sail because these subs just won't spend enough time on the surface for it to be worth it. That also meant sticking with the folding mast from CONFORM.
    Edit: Added a second short mast for surface navigation. Comes with two lines for underway refuelling with a boom from a tender kind of like how mid-air refuelling is done, actually.
    The picture shows a stirling AIP powerplant, but that part's pretty flexible. The way I envision it is that we might make one or two initial subs and then test them out, so we can equip one with diesel, another with a stirling engine (like the Swedish Flatfish) and see which one works better at this point, and if we get good batteries later on we can even pull a Soryu and just plop batteries down where the AIP/diesel used to be.
    You were right on the tailplane layout and pumpjet: the annular rimless drive I was thinking of was designed for a nuclear sub where motor efficiency was a non-issue. On an AIP sub we need to run the electric propulsion at high RPM for efficiency's sake and include a gearbox. Same X-shaped tail plane to operating in shallow water and to improve maneuverability. I'll mourn the loss of control authority that comes with moving the tailplanes forward of the propeller, but it is what it is.
    Said gearbox can use WEISOFT operated CNC machines to cut those gears, making this sub quite stealthy indeed. Probably stealthier than what the USSR can field right now.
     
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    -[X] set up an impromptu immigrations and customs post in case any sailors do want to leave and go into town or something.
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    CyberEnby said:
    It's too late to get into the fascinating world of first hand accounts of the USSR, but have this:

    @7th Hex, let me know what you think.



    I lowered the displacement compared to yours because I think we need to make smaller and cheaper subs and make many - through between the relatively thin stainless steel hydrodynamic hull and the titanium pressure hull this still leaves a pretty big sub. Probably on the order of 50 meters.
    Added a green/gray tiger stripe camouflage pattern on the ventral part of the sub to help hide it in shallower waters. The green is based on North Korean subs which do the same, and the tiger stripes are both thematically appropriate and good for breaking up its outline.
    Used a blunt nose this time because it's an ambush predator, not a sprinter, and like.. The Gotland uses the same prow so it's good.
    Sonar is a big cylinder array in the nose covered by an acoustically transparent, non-metallic hydrodynamic fairing. There's just no room for a towed array on this sub, and it needs to operate in shallow waters where the towed array is going to snag on the bottom for sure.
    Added a crew escape capsule that can be used to ditch the sub if it's going down. The crew normally bunk in there, and they squeeze in real tight to fit everyone if they need to use it to evacuate everyone at once.
    Switched the torpedoes to a rotating magazine with a three torpedo pop-out launcher like Forward Pass. This gives the sonar a much more unobstructed view and moves another source of machinery noise behind the forward noise baffles so we get less interference with sonar. The difference is that these launchers are just water tight and not air tight because the space the torpedoes occupy is at ambient pressure.
    Total number of torpedoes has gone up to twelve, and the total number that can be guided at once has increased to three. Anti-submarine and anti-surface electric wire guided torpedoes as you suggested, designed to swim out of the launcher - part of what makes the pop out launcher so simple is this swim-out ability.
    I followed your suggestion and used a titanium pressure hull, but I added a stainless steel partial double hull as well as a compromise that would reduce total titanium used while keeping the whole hull non-magnetic.
    The space between the pressure hull and outer hull isn't flooded - it's actually filled with CO2 that is boiled off from a liquid CO2 tank. This prevents water from getting in which makes maintenance much easier and allows for a simple pop-out torpedo launcher because we don't need torpedo tubes acting as an airlock between the pressure hull and the outside.
    I stuck with my original decision to forgo a sail because these subs just won't spend enough time on the surface for it to be worth it. That also meant sticking with the folding mast from CONFORM.
    The picture shows a stirling AIP powerplant, but that part's pretty flexible. The way I envision it is that we might make one or two initial subs and then test them out, so we can equip one with diesel, another with a stirling engine (like the Swedish Flatfish) and see which one works better at this point, and if we get good batteries later on we can even pull a Soryu and just plop batteries down where the AIP/diesel used to be.
    You were right on the tailplane layout and pumpjet: the annular rimless drive I was thinking of was designed for a nuclear sub where motor efficiency was a non-issue. On an AIP sub we need to run the electric propulsion at high RPM for efficiency's sake and include a gearbox. Same X-shaped tail plane to operating in shallow water and to improve maneuverability. I'll mourn the loss of control authority that comes with moving the tailplanes forward of the propeller, but it is what it is.
    Said gearbox can use WEISOFT operated CNC machines to cut those gears, making this sub quite stealthy indeed. Probably stealthier than what the USSR can field right now.
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    All I see is a big wall of text and a pretty fucking picture.

    But reading it makes me feel smarter already.

    I love it.
     
    C: I mean an actual leftist democracy. Obviously the groundwork isn't there yet, but it eventually could be.
     
    So back to the situation at hand, What do you think the normal thoughts going through the average American's head during this potentially second Cuban missile crisis situation?
     
    Magoose said:
    So back to the situation at hand, What do you think the normal thoughts going through the average American's head during this potentially second Cuban missile crisis situation?
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    The US Left wing:BRING THEM BACK!! BRING THEM BACK!!

    GET OUT OF THERE GET OUT OF THERE QUICK!!

    I don't care how much you pay get those boys home.

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    The US Right Wing: Shit...so, this our punishment for Vietnam? What are our options?

    We can't use war? We just pulled out of Nam.

    CIA...terrible idea, we can't weather another scandal.

    Alright...Detente it is. But just in case, prepare the Navy for a little show.

    We Just Write said:
    C: "They're being way too reasonable about this. What's their angle?"
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    Its gonna be concessions, there aways gonna use this for their advantage. I just hope they are okay.
     
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    Gigler said:
    I am saying this all completely seriously. That would work. Following the rules placed by your theoretical superior is a dumb thing to do. Play around them.
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    While that sounds funny on paper. and if we were any other dictatorship, we should.

    We can also fuck with them in the most bureaucratic mess possible. You know, out lawyer the lawyer nation.

    Send them thousands of pages worth of damages, each with an individual claim from our citizens and hovernment and if they fuck up we send them more paperwork with more fines, and then force them to devote an entire section of the state department into trying to out bureaucratic our entire tax and legal system, forcing them to dump millions or potentially billions of dollars into a crazy fucking mess that God dumped onto our lap.
     
    Gigler said:
    Yeah, being reasonable is a bad thing to do actually.
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    You...Want to Antagonize America?

    You want to Antagonize America, that under most reasonable circumstances just want to take their ships and sailors and leave.

    You want another Cuban MISSILE CRISIS where we will die if one thing goes wrong.

    I say this in the kindest way possible.

    "This is a Stupid idea...why are you asking to make things more complicated."

    I just want them gone and the US paying us money for their many many bar tabs.

    Pragmatic VILLAINY Communism MAN! Where is it!:V

    Did we lose it in the Hurricane/Tsunami!:V
     
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    Gigler said:
    Nuh Nuh Nuh. That what I am talking about. You are trying to follow laws and rules and lawyers. That won't work.
    We should firstly scream that USA Marines entered our land with arms, sell the ship to China, after that publicaly declare glorious victory with all enemies taken prisoners, wait a little bit, then publicaly apologize saying that it seems you understood everything wrong and it was just a big accident, return all prisoners to the USA telling that you are doing it with help of Soviet Union or China, explain during it to the China or Soviet Union what actually happened, finalize transaction of prisoners.
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    But that isn't funny, utterly demoralizing the American state and their allies, and making us look like the reasonable party that the world will see in a much better light.

    Plus it also gives us the opportunity to flip off china, without flipping off china.
     
    Gigler said:
    Ok.. How are you planing to outlawyer America. We have no Lawyers basically.
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    But we do have A GLORIOUS LEADER!

    And his army of secretaries and the ability to make up laws whenever it suits us!:V

    Drown them in so many laws and fines and continued lawsuits with our laws that "JUST" so happened to take affect the week that carrier crashed into our island
     
    Magoose said:
    But we do have A GLORIOUS LEADER!

    And his army of secretaries and the ability to make up laws whenever it suits us!:V

    Drown them in so many laws and fines and continued lawsuits with our laws that "JUST" so happened to take affect the week that carrier crashed into our island
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    Mongoose, how about we do this: roll for how much of a tab the salior run up in our bars and other locations of entertainment.
     
    C: Well, here's a plan:
    [JOKE] Get a bunch of bulldozers and push that accursed ship back into the ocean!
     
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