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@Boney I have two questions if you don't mind. Only one is related to the quest directly but I hope that's fine.

The first is if Qrech's book provides any narrative bonus for Mathilde's knowledge of Chaos Dwarves? Or is it stuff she already knew?

The second is something I've been curious about for a while now. You sometimes give your opinions on the Warhammer setting, but I've always been curious on who your favorite Warhammer Fantasy character is, and why. Maybe favorite characters if you can't choose one.
 
"She serves the Dancer," Deathfang says distractedly. "She was glowing with His energies when she and the Ice Witch returned from spreading devastation."

"Are you suggesting that Taal and Kurnous are the same?" you ask directly. Cryptic asides are a lot more fun when you're the one making them.

Asarnil smiles archly. "Are you going to suggest that he isn't? That there's two horned Gods of the hunt, two Kings of the wilderness, two husbands to the Goddess of fertility and bounty?"

"Rhya isn't Isha," Deathfang interrupts aroun
I was rereading a bit in this short bit we found out that Randal == The Dancer and that Rhya != Isha. From someone that seems like they would be able to tell. I am fairly sure that this has happened a few times has anyone made a compilation of our knowledge of which gods are which? We only know a few, but it seems like a topic Mathilde has been keeping track of in the back of her mind for awhile now.
 
The first is if Qrech's book provides any narrative bonus for Mathilde's knowledge of Chaos Dwarves? Or is it stuff she already knew?

Mathilde is maybe the one person on the continent who doesn't really get much new out of Qrech's book, as she already has access to books on Chaos Dwarves from the Dwarves, notes and papers on them from Lady Magister Grey, and the Skaven book on Chaos Dwarf anatomy. This book provides a similar level of insight to anyone in the Old World with a need for it.

The second is something I've been curious about for a while now. You sometimes give your opinions on the Warhammer setting, but I've always been curious on who your favorite Warhammer Fantasy character is, and why. Maybe favorite characters if you can't choose one.

Magnus the Pious, for being the one that turned what would have been the Empire's epilogue into a rebirth through sheer force of will. Boris Bokha, for doing the same for Kislev and getting much less credit for it. Count Noctilus, for having the creativity to identify some extremely esoteric free real estate and the sheer chutzpah to teleport his fucking castle right on top of it instead of just buying a boat or something. Sleek Sharpwit. Sigvald, because Sigvald. Kremlo.

I was rereading a bit in this short bit we found out that Randal == The Dancer and that Rhya != Isha. From someone that seems like they would be able to tell. I am fairly sure that this has happened a few times has anyone made a compilation of our knowledge of which gods are which? We only know a few, but it seems like a topic Mathilde has been keeping track of in the back of her mind for awhile now.

It might be best to treat conversations like this as data points, rather than axioms.
 
Magnus the Pious, for being the one that turned what would have been the Empire's epilogue into a rebirth through sheer force of will. Boris Bokha, for doing the same for Kislev and getting much less credit for it. Count Noctilus, for having the creativity to identify some extremely esoteric free real estate and the sheer chutzpah to teleport his fucking castle right on top of it instead of just buying a boat or something. Sleek Sharpwit. Sigvald, because Sigvald. Kremlo.
I knew all of these characters, but then you threw a curveball. There's barely any information at all on Kremlo.

A goddamn Slann who was raised by Norsemen from Skeggi and became their chieftain? What???
 
The Verenans certainly aren't doing this, because they fundamentally don't care about people having access - in their creed, knowledge is to be preserved, not necessarily to be shared, as Boney has talked about so many times in the past.
It's not a core tenet but some Verenan temples very much are about making knowledge accessible. This is one of the things that differentiates one temple from the next.

@ Rafin please don't spaghetti post.
I'd like to know your thoughts behind these two and also an explanation of what "Corruption: 2" implies on the scale as measured by the RPG.
I really like the design of it being random. I almost prefer it to the current one. It would definitely be interesting if at the start of a turn Boney told us which bonus he rolled us to have (and only asks us to apply it to a specific action if it makes sense in context). Of course it would make no sense changing it now after we've already used it so much.

This one seems different though. It doesn't have the "outside of private property" clause.
What made you decide to exclude the "eat incapacitated people or fresh corpses" ability? Too much text?
Mathilde has Cool 72 and witnessing a greater daemon is a major corrupting influence. If she rolls the average of 50 on a d100, she scores 2 Success Levels, which means she only takes 1 Corruption point. (4+ SLs would've gotten her no Corruption, 0-1 would get her 2 points, and failing the test entirely would get her 3 points.) This does mean that she should have 1 Corruption instead of 2, which I've now fixed.

1 Corruption is nothing to worry about. With 27 Toughness and 52 Willpower, she has to get 7 Corruption before she has to make a roll to resist mutation. If she succeeds, she doesn't mutate but doesn't lose Corruption. If she fails, she loses 5 Corruption and mutates, and because only mental Corruption can get her, it'll be a mental mutation. If she gets 6 mental mutations, she falls to Chaos.

The unnoticed/unremarked thing is because that Coin effect was similar enough to one of Ranald's Miracles so I just used the rules of that Miracle. As for making it random, it is a bad idea to make it work like that in Divided Loyalties. It'd be a major thumb on the scales for determining what actions we do. The reduced freedom and worse arguments would be bad. Still, I'm glad to hear you liked the random element I introduced. I thought it'd be more fun if you flipped the coin to see what you got.

The reason I pared down the Seed's rules and powers is because of too much text and because it is busted if fully translated to 4e. Full heal and resurrection 4 times on you or anyone you touch, and recharging a charge costs only a single corpse? It's far more powerful than even the real Ghal Maraz. Balance is necessary for a good translation.
 
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@Rafin please don't spaghetti post.

This is a common misconception. Spaghetti posting is not any reply where a post is divided up into sections to be replied to, it refers specifically to when you are in a debate with someone and you divide their posts up into small fragments so you can debate parts of their post out of context. Line-by-line analysis of quest posts or parts thereof are extremely not spaghetti posting, and are in fact appreciated and encouraged.
 
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I knew all of these characters, but then you threw a curveball. There's barely any information at all on Kremlo.

A goddamn Slann who was raised by Norsemen from Skeggi and became their chieftain? What???

The true Chieftain of Skeggi, yes.

In 2nd Edition lore, Slann looked a lot like Skinks and didn't have any servant races, and Lizardmen were completely unrelated to them. It's only later on (5th Edition, IIRC) that they were put under one banner, Slann were changed into large, ancient, magical frogs, and Skinks were introduced to fill the niche Slann used to. For obvious reasons Kremlo hasn't been mentioned in modern lore, but I don't think he was ever explicitly retconned.
 
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My thought here is that the reason the Verenans don't dish out their books left and right already is because they have significant institutional/political reasons not to do so. When overcoming something like that, the difference between being able to make a reasonable case that we can offer more protection and being able to make an undeniable case that we can offer more protection is a salient one IMO.

Maybe? We're guesstimating on the degree of effects/benefits for all of these facets. I will note that a scenario where some Holds in K8P are occupied by an enemy longer-term while some remain in dwarven hands is absolutely still a plausible one. Until we got a bunch of oh-my-god lucky rolls in a row that led to us successfully retaking the whole lot of them that was looking to be the situation for the foreseeable future, after all.

And we did deliberately put our library in a mountain that didn't have anything much in it besides our library... which means that if K8P were put under a level of pressure where they had to pick and choose which Holds to hang onto, there's nothing to drive them towards our mountain NEEDING to be one of the ones kept besides our library. In that scenario, a library that could weather an enemy occupation nigh-indefinitely would honestly be a relief for the defenders, because the king wouldn't be wrestling between his dwarven need to fulfill the Boon he swore to provide and his king's obligation to defend his actual population as well as possible.

This is true! But it's also something that can be flipped on its head. In other words, an organizational system that was developed elsewhere could be emulated in K8P. You mention wanting to provide for the needs of future millennia. But unless literally nobody else in the Old World comes up with the systems necessary in those millennia (which I find highly unlikely), they could be copied in K8P from wherever they were developed. So at that point the difference between those systems being developed in K8P versus not is just the prestige factor of being the ones who get to hang our name on whatever system it is. Which is nice, but is not really a material difference.

Whereas, the difference between K8P's library having a major Preservation focus built in versus not is the difference between K8P's library having that level of Preservation focus versus not. Somebody else having a great Preservation setup (assuming anybody is ever capable of matching the level of commitment to that possible with a Transcendent Boon from a dwarf king) doesn't confer any particular advantage on K8P implementing the same.

  1. It is not in the interest of their theology to make books widely available, some do teach and some do want to spread knowledge but that is not really the main interest of their church, nor as you pointed out in their best economic interest. In fact there are some of her most faithful who wish the printing press had never been.
  2. Just because retaking the whole hold took luck does not mean keeping the whole hold needs the same amount of luck. That is why taking the whole hold was so important after all, because the whole allows us to hold the west and east gate making all of the mountains more secure.
  3. Which is very useful in very specific situations and less useful at any other time, organization is good for the purpose of being a library availibile to the public, preservation is good for being basically Karak Zilfin, a tomb full of books.
  4. It makes a difference if you have a mountain full of books and papers you have to resort while functioning as a library, it would be a waste of time and money comparable to moving the whole thing to another Karak.
  5. That level of preservation is IMO unreasonable to begin with, at least when it comes to books, the whole point of books of writing is that you can make more of them and pass their contents on, they are not the bones of the heroic dead.
 
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Mathilde is maybe the one person on the continent who doesn't really get much new out of Qrech's book, as she already has access to books on Chaos Dwarves from the Dwarves, notes and papers on them from Lady Magister Grey, and the Skaven book on Chaos Dwarf anatomy. This book provides a similar level of insight to anyone in the Old World with a need for it.
Do we plan on getting a copy? Maybe having it autographed?

[x] Order
[x] Preservation
[x] Holy
 
Speaking of books @Boney up to what quality of books can we buy from the Eonir? I ask because I kind of want to buy up to the max Ulgu books to finish Rite of Way, it is not only useful, but gets us CF for our various projects.
 
Speaking of books @Boney up to what quality of books can we buy from the Eonir? I ask because I kind of want to buy up to the max Ulgu books to finish Rite of Way, it is not only useful, but gets us CF for our various projects.

There's plenty of Cityborn willing to scribe from the public sections of the library for pay, so all the way to +5 for non-magical subjects. Magical subjects would require a fair bit more negotiating, and it's probably best to leave that until you've got a library to negotiate with and for.
 
There's plenty of Cityborn willing to scribe from the public sections of the library for pay, so all the way to +5 for non-magical subjects. Magical subjects would require a fair bit more negotiating, and it's probably best to leave that until you've got a library to negotiate with and for.

Ah, OK in that case it is best to leave any sort of Ulgu or Sevir research off until we can get the full bonus and just focus on the diplomatic and organizational parts of the project until the library is done, for the sake of having the best chance of success.
 
I imagine that while House Tindomiel would be the most efficient house for Magical purposes (I've done a 180 on my opinion on them after repeated corrections from Boney), the library stuff seems to be the Hoeth houses' thing. I'm pretty sure he's their god of knowledge, so they probably have the greatest influence on the Library of Mournings itself.
 
@Boney Can you weigh in on whether the Golden Magus and his Flaming Scimitar exists in DL canon? I just found his wiki page after going through Count Noctilus and his mentioned feats are really impressive if true.
Enough to be considered perhaps the most powerful elementalist in the world, with bound spirits and a magically enchanted ship.

But then apparently a published novel reveals the Golden Magus to just be a Tzeentchian sorcerer so... Not sure if that cliche will be included.
 
@Boney Can you weigh in on whether the Golden Magus and his Flaming Scimitar exists in DL canon? I just found his wiki page after going through Count Noctilus and his mentioned feats are really impressive if true.
Enough to be considered perhaps the most powerful elementalist in the world, with bound spirits and a magically enchanted ship.

But then apparently a published novel reveals the Golden Magus to just be a Tzeentchian sorcerer so... Not sure if that cliche will be included.

If he hasn't been butterflied, he'd be somewhere in his teens, by the look of him.
 
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