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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Just to be sure, will we need to maintain these collectors and defend the power-lines for all eternity, or are those only needed to build the god and we'll eventually be able to stop using them?

Since permanent defensive instalations in the Dream seem like a rather problematic concept, adding an unknown number of new fronts and so on.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Just to be sure, will we need to maintain these collectors and defend the power-lines for all eternity, or are those only needed to build the god and we'll eventually be able to stop using them?

Since permanent defensive instalations in the Dream seem like a rather problematic concept, adding an unknown number of new fronts and so on.
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You need to keep the power flowing from the constant rituals, that said it is worth keeping in mind that there are no states there to contest you there and it is very hard to actually get to that plane normally, you can't just plane shift there.
 
DragonParadox said:
You need to keep the power flowing from the constant rituals, that said it is worth keeping in mind that there are no states there to contest you there and it is very hard to actually get to that plane normally, you can't just plane shift there.
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But we have met Quori there.
Even if you discard all fluff around those we have at least vicious, powerful and smart dream-predators. Static defences or a few lucent-dreaming soldiers won't help there, that's something we need elite units, like Fleshcrafted things, or adventurers for.
 
Artemis1992 said:
But we have met Quori there.
Even if you discard all fluff around those we have at least vicious, powerful and smart dream-predators. Static defences or a few lucent-dreaming soldiers won't help there, that's something we need elite units, like Fleshcrafted things, or adventurers for.
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Quori are rare in the shallower areas of the Dreamlands and attuning a part of it to the Imperium would make it even less welcoming to them.
 
DragonParadox said:
You need to keep the power flowing from the constant rituals, that said it is worth keeping in mind that there are no states there to contest you there and it is very hard to actually get to that plane normally, you can't just plane shift there.
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Is it possible to strike a bargain or pact with Yss , Zathir or other gods of the imperium to defend these for a small portion of the god juice, Yss practically makes SD impregnable in the dreamlands , it would be great if yss protected our collectors too
 
We have only a limited number of lucid dreamers and have to defend off our godjuice collectors from many predators fiends and willful sabotages (im especially afraid about ABRAXAS).

We are creating a god without a mind which will be extremely powerful and Hell or abyss or our enemies hijacking would be doom of valyria level catastrophe

My opinion is that having a god like Yss to protect the young imperial god is worth it .
If the issue really is about having the imperial god totally independent we can take of Yss protection later .in that way Yss can be like the Godgod (godfather.lol!) of our imperial god
 
I'd rather just abandon the plan at this point since the number of things that are not working as planned keep piling up and we have already no real capacity to defend infrastructure in the real world, let alone the dreamscape.

Just plant weirwoods and call it a day.
 
Azel said:
I'd rather just abandon the plan at this point since the number of things that are not working as planned keep piling up and we have already no real capacity to defend infrastructure in the real world, let alone the dreamscape.

Just plant weirwoods and call it a day.
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The fact that you needed infrastructure in the dream world was known though, this is just be explaining how you were able to get the collectors up so fast IC. Like seriously this was not even a bad roll.
 
Goldfish said:
Sounds like a job for some specialty Dragons to me.
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We'd need a good base to work from.

So far we have not created any dream-creatures, we are not even sure if we could do so in the normal fleshforges.
At best we could, after another research-action and with a physical sample of dream-creatures.

@DragonParadox
Some ages ago Tiamat offered to bring the corpse of the Nightmare Dragon we had slain into the real world.
Is that something we, or one of our affiliated gods, could replicate?
We kill a powerful dream creature and then drag the corpse into reality as a template for future fleshwork?
 
Artemis1992 said:
We'd need a good base to work from.

So far we have not created any dream-creatures, we are not even sure if we could do so in the normal fleshforges.
At best we could, after another research-action and with a physical sample of dream-creatures.

@DragonParadox
Some ages ago Tiamat offered to bring the corpse of the Nightmare Dragon we had slain into the real world.
Is that something we, or one of our affiliated gods, could replicate?
We kill a powerful dream creature and then drag the corpse into reality as a template for future fleshwork?
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You could yes. In fact that is something you could do with a miracle spell no god needed, it comparatively easier to get things from the dream into the waking world than the reverse.
 
DragonParadox said:
The fact that you needed infrastructure in the dream world was known though, this is just be explaining how you were able to get the collectors up so fast IC. Like seriously this was not even a bad roll.
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Not really. The original plan hinged on a few assumptions:

1. The power conduits will be built in the real world, namely by laying Imperial Steel into the highways. This was an outgrowth of noticing the the highways had a metaphysical weight and presence that could be exploited.
2. Distance is relative in the dreamscape, so by prodding things a bit we can stretch and tighten space.
3. The only point where the dreamscape came in was to conceptually tie things together, so that they are metaphysically a unit instead of disparate cables. In combination with 2, this would mean to have the whole network tied together into a singular point that is simultanously at every point of the physical network.
4. We assumed at that point that we could just Planeshift things into the dreamscape, as evident by planning to have Wyverns fly there.

But now we have to build some giant, area covering infrastructure directly in the dreamscape and at this point I'm not even sure if there is even a physical component to anything. I'm not even sure what we are even doing here. How is the dreamscape even related to everything at this point? Are prayer and belief just dreams now? Or are we sucking up peoples dreams for power? I do not understand what is even happening.

Edit: I mean, if these "firebreaks" make restful sleep impossible, we kinda must be sucking peoples dreams up. And I don't get the problem of the "firebreaks" either. Are we creating kilometre wide areas of memetic hazards!? How are we even pushing power through these gaps and why do they have to be so huge when we are dealing with a focused stream of energy?

All of this doesn't seem remotely worth it.
 
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Azel said:
Not really. The original plan hinged on a few assumptions:

1. The power conduits will be built in the real world, namely by laying Imperial Steel into the highways. This was an outgrowth of noticing the the highways had a metaphysical weight and presence that could be exploited.
2. Distance is relative in the dreamscape, so by prodding things a bit we can stretch and tighten space.
3. The only point where the dreamscape came in was to conceptually tie things together, so that they are metaphysically a unit instead of disparate cables. In combination with 2, this would mean to have the whole network tied together into a singular point that is simultanously at every point of the physical network.
4. We assumed at that point that we could just Planeshift things into the dreamscape, as evident by planning to have Wyverns fly there.

But now we have to build some giant, area covering infrastructure directly in the dreamscape and at this point I'm not even sure if there is even a physical component to anything. I'm not even sure what we are even doing here. How is the dreamscape even related to everything at this point? Are prayer and belief just dreams now? Or are we sucking up peoples dreams for power? I do not understand what is even happening.

Edit: I mean, if these "firebreaks" make restful sleep impossible, we kinda must be sucking peoples dreams up. And I don't get the problem of the "firebreaks" either. Are we creating kilometre wide areas of memetic hazards!? How are we even pushing power through these gaps and why do they have to be so huge when we are dealing with a focused stream of energy?

All of this doesn't seem remotely worth it.
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The way i see to move forward with the plan would be start training a army of lucid dreamers and an entire order of mages dedicated to work in the dreamlands

And a humongous amount of construction in the DS
 
Azel said:
Not really. The original plan hinged on a few assumptions:

1. The power conduits will be built in the real world, namely by laying Imperial Steel into the highways. This was an outgrowth of noticing the the highways had a metaphysical weight and presence that could be exploited.
2. Distance is relative in the dreamscape, so by prodding things a bit we can stretch and tighten space.
3. The only point where the dreamscape came in was to conceptually tie things together, so that they are metaphysically a unit instead of disparate cables. In combination with 2, this would mean to have the whole network tied together into a singular point that is simultanously at every point of the physical network.
4. We assumed at that point that we could just Planeshift things into the dreamscape, as evident by planning to have Wyverns fly there.

But now we have to build some giant, area covering infrastructure directly in the dreamscape and at this point I'm not even sure if there is even a physical component to anything. I'm not even sure what we are even doing here. How is the dreamscape even related to everything at this point? Are prayer and belief just dreams now? Or are we sucking up peoples dreams for power? I do not understand what is even happening.
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Ah... I see the issue. I lost track of the initial project by just looking at the last research option, thanks for pointing that out. I was spending way too much time on the actions for next turn and not enough on the stuff in front of me.

One moment while I edit some things
 
DragonParadox said:
Ah... I see the issue. I lost track of the initial project by just looking at the last research option, thanks for pointing that out. I was spending way too much time on the actions for next turn and not enough on the stuff in front of me.

One moment while I edit some things
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Could we maybe talk about things before you hastily make edits to something? This is one of these "Panic! Do stuff! Fix stuff!"-moments of yours and it's not going to actually solve anything.
 
TennoSasuke said:
The way i see to move forward with the plan would be start training a army of lucid dreamers and an entire order of mages dedicated to work in the dreamlands

And a humongous amount of construction in the DS
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Not enough spare mages for that. Maybe taking control of whatever the dreamscape version of Gogossos is might help, but that still doesn't fix my core issue.

I have no interest in turning vast areas into memetic hazard that will randomly drive you insane, kill you, open you up to possession by passing Warp dreamscape creatures, erode the fabric of reality or whatever other fun side-effects this going to have in the long-term.
 
OK Edits done, the infrastructure is on your side of the planar boundary (and is in fact your roads), but you still need anchor points in the dreamlands, so you need lucid dreamers.

Good night guys, see you tomorrow with maybe another round of edits if I left something unclear, otherwise the new turn.
 
Artemis1992 said:
We'd need a good base to work from.

So far we have not created any dream-creatures, we are not even sure if we could do so in the normal fleshforges.
At best we could, after another research-action and with a physical sample of dream-creatures.

@DragonParadox
Some ages ago Tiamat offered to bring the corpse of the Nightmare Dragon we had slain into the real world.
Is that something we, or one of our affiliated gods, could replicate?
We kill a powerful dream creature and then drag the corpse into reality as a template for future fleshwork?
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The Eldritch Creature template might be a good one to use for this purpose, maybe something like a variant version of my proposed Wyrdwood trees to serve as guardians, along with other creatures, of the Dreamlands anchor points.
 
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