That is a character assassination... oh not on the emperor on poor pikachu who would have been far more clever and would never been surprised by that level of silliness.
Emperor: "Augh, Malcador, I have all these earthly attachments... like love... and compassion. How am I to run a galactic empire where the lives of trillions are ground away just to keep back the Terror one more day as we march onwards for our glorious future?"

Maclador: "You could try trusting people."

Emperor: "I'm hearing a lot of crazy talk here, Malc. You may be my friend, but I think I know what I need to do."

Malcador: "Confide in others?"

Emperor: "No, excise all of the weak feelings into a psychic echo of myself and cast it into the Warp."

Malcador: "That's... literally... insane... humans need those things for interpersonal interactions, to understand the motives of others and what drives them."

Emperor: "I think I know a lii-eeee-hhee-ttle more about how to motivate others than you, mister "I've only been alive for a measly several thousand years". Just let me handle the fiddly bits."

Malcador: "This is a bad idea--"

Emperor: "Too late! Goodbye earthly attachments."

...

Skullperor: "Don't say it."

Malcador: "Too busy... holding Astronomic signal together... but with my last breath know..."

Bemperor: "Don't..."

Malcador: "I told you soooooo!"
 
Vote closed. I'm feeling sort of antsy and I want to get though this so I can have something to think about that is not just worrying about system change
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 20, 2021 at 2:31 PM, finished with 135 posts and 8 votes.
 
Part MMMDCCLXV: Reasons to Serve
Reasons to Serve

Eighteenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

The first of the Ministerial naming, though by many accounts among the most powerful, passes by without much comment. Aran is a man fair of voice and word still, and if the members of the Curia Principium even had cause to hear of the indiscretions of his youth then they would have little cause to care. Crown's man for a posting where the crown would wish for its own man, and none but the most greedy or the most foolish would think they could meddle. Of course, the most greedy and the most foolish of the elites of either continent are not in this room in this hour. War had a way of winnowing out both. Then you come to the matter of taxation, which you had with intent placed in the morning on solid reasoning knowing that the interrelations would be long and likely hard fought, given who you had selected for the post.

The herald's voice booms, the invitees already known since yesterday, yet somehow still shocking.

A man, who is not quite a man, enters the chamber. His steps are light and elegant, and in his hand a cane of ebony tipped with silver in the shape of a coiling serpent with rubies for its eyes, and ruby red his own gaze in a face that might almost have been mistaken for some tiefling of the sort which there are becoming more common in the Deep, save for the knowing way it seems to slide over all the company, weighing their sins and their desires in a balance older than all the realms of men from which they spring. Of ruffled silk white as snow is his shirt, the height of fashion no doubt, and blue as forget-me-nots his mantle, also edged with silver. You had somehow expected black and red, which you suppose shows that you are not yourself spared from preconceptions when it comes to the baatezu, though it is clear the lords and magisters in attendance are worried for more than the newcomer's taste in clothes.

Even some of the governors you had just named, most loyal to the bone, look troubled when you introduce Iziku of the Deep, late of another city far grander and far darker. The former harvester does not seem to notice nor even seem to care for the many pairs of eyes boring a hole in his back, or more likely truly does not care, for it was after all his stock and trade for long indeed to turn mortal loathing into desire and weariness to fellowship in darkened places. He takes his seat before the assembled notables with a smile so impersonal it might have been carved from stone, and then he does something neither they nor you had anticipated. He winks. "Well, you have to admit it has a certain poetry to it, yes?"

A startled laugh goes through the chamber, more on the side of the worldlier of its members, though you are in turn amused to see that not even Eddard Stark is free from an unwilling smile.

"I make no claim to being an angel under the skin, though I am not certain if an angel is what any of you should wish to count your taxes." The smile was dark, but not cold, rather warm and inviting. "Do you know, fair ladies and kind lords, what the difference was between angels and devils was in the Beginning? The latter were too pragmatic for heaven. I assure you, the matter of counting coin is a very pragmatic affair and should it stop being so, then the ones who pay would rue the change."

Iziku continues in this manner, with sly jape and subtle twist of tongue drawing more and more of the Princeps into his confidence. He is leveraging the very thing they all have in common, the power and prestige of the office. Are they not all mighty, are they not all wise? Should they not then consider the words he has to say instead of judging only by the realm he had abandoned?

Not many in his audience are wholly immune to the calls. Your Companions are, of course, whether it be Gaein or Vee. Zherys looks on, admiring, but more in the remote manner of one who is taking mental notes rather than truly engaged. Here and there the pious stopper their ears with faith and harden their hearts, though the upper chamber is not precisely selected with faith in mind. The only priest present speaks as a representative of the Scholarum in Volantis, a peace offer from Zherys in the name of integration, and Moqorro is hardly going to rock the boat given the sorts of spirits who serve R'hllor the Red, even in his hosts when Ymeri was cast down.

It is instead another city that sounds the first questioning of the hour, and it is not one you had expected.

Once the speech is done, Lady Uraka Breolis rises to her feet in garb of somber grey. "You have said much, Master Iziku, of why you would be skilled in your post and more of why you choose to be loyal to the throne over your old master, but you have not explained why you wish the position to begin with. For myself, I have found that many answers might be found in the seed of one's ambitions and that I imagine does not change, no matter how long you have lived or where you have dwelt, so then why did you seek this posting?"

"Because I am skilled, as few others are, and because this Imperium is a great thing and I would wish to be part of it even as all of you do. All of us in this hall today serve, yes, but in serving we shall be made truly undying, beyond crude facsimiles. Do you know how many of my kindred perished in the Blood War, lost beyond recall? No, then you have that in common even with the Lord of the Ninth. No one knows the scope of our losses for some were devoured utterly that not even the memory of them remains, but of our doings here it shall be writ in True Speech and carried across the lands and sealed in vault of stone. I would trust rather to the memories and tales of mortal men than to my own supposed immortality, for I have seen its like fail too oft."

Flattery will get one... You glance at the thoughtful looks of many of those who had before seemed closed, and... In many places.

The representative of the Iron Bank does not falter nor hesitate. She turns instead to you and asks in a carefully neutral tone, request and not demand. "And you, Your Majesty, why did you choose this one knowing that he would not in all quarters be welcomed with open arms?"

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: Lady Uraka has spoken with Iziku before now and she finds him an adequate pick, so she is trying to head off the uncomfortable questions at the pass as it were by letting Viserys with expound on his reasoning in a way that does not seem defensive.
 
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I just wanted to drop a post about restructing the quest. As someone who's just passivly consuming the content, my opinion doesn't have a whole lot of value, but I just wanted to say I've been following for a few years and really enjoy it. I don't interact with the quest very much, as I'm usually about a month+ behind the posts, but I've generally found the adventure arcs to be the slowest and least interesting, because they don't feel like the overall "plot" is advancing. Some are better then others, for example I enjoyed the arc where we were dealing with the chosen of the seven a lot, but didn't like the arc where we were rescuing people from the valley of the Thenn much. Mechanically, I also can't really contribute because I don't understand enough DnD to even read the character sheets properly, despite the fact I've played a fair bit of pathfinder.

In terms of new mechanics, I think if we're moving to a quest based less on a pile of mechanics, some of the most interesting choices we have been asked to make are tradeoffs. For example, I don't know how much it will matter, but I read all the way up to current when looking at choosing governors and such, because I thought having choices that were not "win/lose" but rather "yellow/purple" is a lot more engaging. I've learned from reading this quest over the past... years that we usually win. Times when that doesn't directly happen are interesting, but more and more I've found questions around the empire evolving are most interesting, becuase the stakes are not built around leveraging force to fix a problem.
 
Emperor: *purges his cadre of super soldiers because they are inferior models, flawed, and won't fit into his vision of the future*
to be fair those 'inferior models' had a habit of randomly going into insane berserk rages were they attacked everything & anything nearby until they died
to be fair for the Big-E he was a perfectly personable and human for most of the great crusade ... until the Rangdan xenocides were the imperium was driven to the edge of defeat and humainty was facing a possible fate of being reduced to literal cattle for the cerabvores and osseivores which forced E-Money to deploy the single most devastating thing in the galaxy and unleash the void dragon to ensure victory at the cost of killing most of a segmentem in collateral damage that is the kind of decision that leaves people changed and hardened
 
I just wanted to drop a post about restructing the quest. As someone who's just passivly consuming the content, my opinion doesn't have a whole lot of value, but I just wanted to say I've been following for a few years and really enjoy it. I don't interact with the quest very much, as I'm usually about a month+ behind the posts, but I've generally found the adventure arcs to be the slowest and least interesting, because they don't feel like the overall "plot" is advancing. Some are better then others, for example I enjoyed the arc where we were dealing with the chosen of the seven a lot, but didn't like the arc where we were rescuing people from the valley of the Thenn much. Mechanically, I also can't really contribute because I don't understand enough DnD to even read the character sheets properly, despite the fact I've played a fair bit of pathfinder.

In terms of new mechanics, I think if we're moving to a quest based less on a pile of mechanics, some of the most interesting choices we have been asked to make are tradeoffs. For example, I don't know how much it will matter, but I read all the way up to current when looking at choosing governors and such, because I thought having choices that were not "win/lose" but rather "yellow/purple" is a lot more engaging. I've learned from reading this quest over the past... years that we usually win. Times when that doesn't directly happen are interesting, but more and more I've found questions around the empire evolving are most interesting, becuase the stakes are not built around leveraging force to fix a problem.

This is a very insightful post and it certainly has value. Then I asked for feedback it was not just from people who post a lot, but from everyone who reads the thread.
 
Reasons to Serve

Eighteenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

The first of the Ministerial naming, though by many accounts among the most powerful, passes by without much comment. Aran is a man fair of voice and fair or word still, and if the members of the Curia Principium had even had cause to hear of the indiscretions of his youth, then they would have little cause to care. Crown's man for a posting where the crown would wish for its own man, and none but the most greedy or the most foolish would think they could meddle. Of course, the most greedy and the most foolish of the elites of either continent are not in this room in this hour. War had a way of winnowing out both. Then you come to the matter of taxation, which you had with intent placed in the morning on solid reasoning knowing that the interrelations would be long and likely hard fought, given who you had selected for the post.

The herald's voice booms, the invitee already known since yesterday, yet somehow still shocking.

A man, who is not quite a man, enters the chamber. His steps are light and elegant, and in his hand a cane of ebony tipped with silver in the shape of a coiling serpent with rubies for its eyes, and ruby red his own gaze in a face that might almost have been mistaken for some tiefling of the sort which there are becomimy more common in the Deep, save for the knowing way it seems to slide over all the company, weighing their sins and their desires in a balance older than all the realms of men from which they spring. Of ruffled silk white as snow is his shirt, the height of fashion no doubt, and blue as forget-me-nots his mantle, also edged with silver. You had somehow expected black and red, which you suppose shows that you are not yourself spared from preconceptions when it comes to the baatezu, though it is clear the lords and magisters in attendance are worried for more than the newcomer's taste in clothes.

Even some of the governors you had just named, most loyal to the bone, look troubled when you introduce Iziku of the Deep, late of another city far grander and far darker. The former harvester does not seem to notice or does not seem to care for the many pairs of eyes boring a hole in his back, or more likely does not care, for it was after all his stock and trade for long indeed to turn mortal loathing into desire and weariness to fellowship in darkened places. He takes his seat before the assembled notables with a smile so impersonal it might have been carved from stone, and then he does something neither they nor you had anticipated. He winks. "Well, you have to admit it has a certain poetry to it yes?"

A startled laugh goes through the chamber, more on the side of the worldlier of its members, though you are in turn amused to see that not even Eddard Stark is free from an unwilling smile.

"I make no claim to being an angel under the skin, though I am not certain if an angel is what any of you should wish to count your taxes." The smile was dark, but not cold, rather warm and inviting. "Do you know, fair ladies and kind lords, what the difference was between angels and devils was in the Beginning? The latter were too pragmatic for heaven. I assure you, the matter of counting coin is a very pragmatic affair and should it stop being so, then the ones who pay would rue the change."

Iziku continues in this manner, with sly jape and subtle twist of tongue drawing more and more of the Princeps into his confidence. He is leveraging the very thing they all have in common, the power and prestige of the office. Are they not all mighty, are they not all wise? Should they not then consider the words he has to say instead of judging only by the realm he had abandoned?

Not many in his audience are wholly immune to the calls. Your Companions are, of course, whether it be Gain or Vee. Zherys looks on, admiring, but more in the remote manner of one who is taking mental notes rather than truly engaged. Here and there the pious stopper their ears with faith and harden their hearts, though the upper chamber is not precisely selected with faith in mind. The only priest present speaks as a representative of the Scholarum in Volantis, a peace offer from Zherys in the name of integration and Moqorro is hardly going to rock the boat given the sorts of spirits who serve R'hllor the Red, even in his hosts when Ymeri was cast down.

It is instead another city that sounds the first questioning of the hour, and it is not one you had expected.

Once the speech is done, Lady Uraka Breolis rises to her feet in garb of somber grey. "You have said much, Master Iziku, of why you would be skilled in your post and more of why you choose to be loyal to the throne over your old master, but you have not explained why you wish the position to begin with. For myself, I have found that many answers might be found in the seed of one's ambitions and that I imagine does not change, no matter how long you have lived or where you have dwelt, so then why did you seek this posting?"

"Because I am skilled, as few others are and because this Imperium is a great thing, and I would wish to be part of it even as all of you do. All of us in this hall today serve, yes, but in serving we shall be made truly undying, beyond crude facsimiles. Do you know how many of my kindred perished in the Blood War, lost beyond recall? No, then you have that in common even with the Lord of the Ninth. No one knows the scope of our losses for some were devoured utterly that not even the memory of them remains, but of our doings here it shall be writ in True Speech and carried across the lands and sealed in vault of stone. I would trust rather to the memories and tales of mortal men than to my own supposed immortality, for I have seen its like fail too oft."

Flattery will get one... You glance at the thoughtful looks of many of those who had before seemed closed, and... In many places.

The representative of the Iron Bank does not falter nor hesitate. She turns instead to you and asks in a carefully neutral tone, request and not demand. "And you, Your Majesty, why did you choose this one knowing that he would not in all quarters be welcomed with open arms?"

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: Lady Uraka has spoken with Iziku before now and she finds him an adequate pick so she is trying to head off the uncomfortable questions at the passe as it were by letting Viserys with expound on his reasoning in a way that does not seem defensive. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
Yeah, I'm calling no dice on this one. If y'all want to justify your devil appointment, you should probably be honest and say everyone else would be less competent at keeping Asmodeus from crashing our entire economy because someone created a billion tax loop holes and somehow at the same time managed to funnel souls to hell from manipulating the upper-classes habits into ever more egregious fraud working within the system.
 
Yeah, I'm calling no dice on this one. If y'all want to justify your devil appointment, you should probably be honest and say everyone else would be less competent at keeping Asmodeus from crashing our entire economy because someone created a billion tax loop holes and somehow at the same time managed to funnel souls to hell from manipulating the upper-classes habits into ever more egregious fraud working within the system.
This is why We do not lower ourselves to work with demons OR devils. That, and to make sure Our plans to invade all Hells is kept 'under wraps', as you humans would say.
 
[X] "The simple truth of the matter, Lady Breolis, is that when it comes to selecting those who will serve the Imperium, especially in such an important capacity as Minister of Taxation, whether or not my choice would be welcomed by the citizenry mattered far less than the skill in which they could carry out their duties. Iziku was selected for his competence and his experience, not for his popularity or familial connections."
 
On the topic of restructuring the quest. I would like to note that as a lurker I would be massively fond of increased abstraction in general and the simplification that comes along with that.

I personally have never been able to really participate due to the massive time and energy investment needed to really understand the mechanics of the system. The system complexity also makes it really difficult to disappear for a month or two and come back and start participating again in a reasonable amount of time. In order to make truly informed arguments and votes the current system has some hefty requirements of the players on top of the heavy requirements on those who manage the complex system.

Personally I think that the abstraction might draw in lurkers to participate more actively because we might feel as if we can actually understand the actions and repercussions for the votes and actions more easily. However, it is entirely possible that I am wrong, so who knows.

An idea I would toss out there (possibly to be shouted down angrily) is to start a new thread as a "sequel" to this quest when the new and possibly simplified mechanics are decided. The quest itself is at a transitional point anyway with Viserys finally conquering Westeros and transitioning to more of a ruler than the massive ongoing conquests that have characterized much of the story so far. It might make it easier for more readers to participate; however, it could just as easily lose the older participants who have been the people who have been key to the longrunning nature of the quest. Idk. Feel free to take what you want from my rambling thoughts.
 
[X] "The simple truth of the matter, Lady Breolis, is that when it comes to selecting those who will serve the Imperium, especially in such an important capacity as Minister of Taxation, whether or not my choice would be welcomed by the citizenry mattered far less than the skill in which they could carry out their duties, as well as their adherence to the strictures and tenets of the Imperium."
-[X] "Minister Iziku was selected for his competence and his experience, not for his popularity or connections. He is trusted because his motives are clear for me to see and his stake in the matter commensurate to the weight of his post. Just as it is for myself and others to reward ambition when they see it, so is it our place to temper it, by clearly defining the bounds within which servants may act."
 
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