Now that I thought about it, this is weak.

Ask Mereth, several mortal Empires have come and gone in her lifespan.
Ask the scholars of our realm the following things:
Who was the first Minister of Taxation in the Empire of Dawn?
What policies did the highest administrator to Yi-Ti's first Emperor introduce?
Or even much closer, can anyone without Dragondreams say what decisions the first Lord Freeholders of Valyria made in regards to their trade- and customs-laws?

All these things are lost within the lifespan of any Devil that actually survived from the first Fall to today, simply to the grinding of time, the forgetfulness of mortals and the limited duration of all their works.

It is almost like he is delivering hollow flattery to make his audience feel good about getting a devil as minister :V


@DragonParadox
Looking through your KoM combat system.

Mobility is good to have, but you'll either have to denote "flying" somewhere or just take it into account when going through the battle manually. Most units just can't attack non-melee flyers, particularly fast and long-ranged ones like our Wyverns.

On the matter of Attack and Defence you'd have to make a lot of manual judgements while running things as well, as things are right now. One thing I found very sensible from Azel's combat system were the different types of attack and the defence against them.
A group of wraiths has a deadly offense against mortal foes, but could barely scratch Golems or other Undead since their whole attack is based on ability-damage, just as one example. Same way their defence is very high against most weapons, but falls low against certain spells and ghost-touch effects.

Attrition is also an important consideration, but due to the very different nature of combatants it comes with vastly different speed. Regular fighters tire quickly, Legionaires with rations of Dawnfruit somewhat less so, enhanced Unsullied or most Outsiders take a lot more fighting to slow down, Undead ignore the mechanic alltogether.

You might have to think over how to apply command-boni, since most of our actual fighting-groups will be led by generic officers and it would be a shame not to let those generals of ours (or our enemies) have any effects in terms of boni.

Hmm... that will take some changes yeah, might be worth scrapping attack, defense for several types of distinct match offs.
 
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Mobility is good to have, but you'll either have to denote "flying" somewhere or just take it into account when going through the battle manually. Most units just can't attack non-melee flyers, particularly fast and long-ranged ones like our Wyverns.
Wyverns are pretty much immune to anything that has less than a click of range. Their core mission would be to drop bombs on enemies from great heights or to launch precision strike with Beetle Bombs, which have de facto line of sight range.

Manticores are the same, but with the added option of shelling things with their cannons from over a click away.

Same goes for anything bigger.

There's just no incentive for our airforce to engage in any battle where they could even get hit by regular troops. And at the same time, they are much too fast to be engaged by any regular, biological fliers.
 
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  • [X] "The simple truth of the matter, Lady Breolis, is that when it comes to selecting those who will serve the Imperium, especially in such an important capacity as Minister of Taxation, whether or not my choice would be welcomed by the citizenry mattered far less than the skill in which they could carry out their duties, as well as their adherence to the strictures and tenets of the Imperium."
    -[X] With a fraction more levity than the onlookers might expect, you then smile at Urraka: "Perhaps that does lean upon reiteration more than is required at this point. That these words will satisfy those who are already assured of the vetting process of the Inquisition and those trusting of my own good sense, does not answer the heart of your inquiry, my lady."
    -[X] To everyone else: "If a person's loyalty is not in doubt, and his skill at the matter at hand is not in question, the only cause for distress remaining is the moral obligate of whether one's own past deeds are undeserving of judgement. I raise the point now, then. The Imperium has been birthed at the dawning of a new age, and many living in that age have undergone a rebirth of sorts themselves. Should Minister Iziku cause more intentional good than accidental harm in the undertaking of his duties, I will count myself well content. And if he should perform intentional harm out of malice for his fellow citizens, you can rest assured he will not be maintaining his post for very long." Or likely his life.
    -[X] "I am concerned with utilizing the talents of those who approach me and gather around the hearth fire I have lit to the best of their abilities, in order to allow more to join in that warmth. We are each of us a portion of that light cast, and each responsible for excising the darkness in our fellows where we see it, and not mistake it for the shadows cast by the ones close to us."
    [X] "His loyalty is unquestionable, but rest assured: if he as so much as attempt to betray the realm, the Old Gods would gladly have him."
 
Part MMMDCCLXVI: Council Open and Hidden
Council Open and Hidden

Eighteenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

"The simple truth of the matter, Lady Breolis, is that when it comes to selecting those who will serve the Imperium, especially in such an important capacity as Minister of Taxation, whether or not my choice would be welcomed by the citizenry mattered far less than the skill in which they could carry out their duties, as well as their adherence to the strictures and tenets of the Imperium." You look out over the assembled Princeps, gaze sweeping the worried and the intrigued, the understanding and the offended, and then returning to Lady Breolis you smile. "Perhaps that does lean upon reiteration more than is required at this point. That these words will satisfy those who are already assured of the vetting process of the Inquisition and those trusting of my own good sense, does not answer the heart of your inquiry, my lady."

She offers a smile no less than yours and nods, well content in having played her part in allowing you to declaim your point in open session. Your gaze happens to land directly upon Mace Tyrell as you recount the rest of your piece. He would have the least cause to trust a thing you say simply because you had been the one to say it, not a loyalist and not so much a pragmatist as he might fondly imagine himself to be else he would not have tried so long and so hard to make his daughter queen.

"If a person's loyalty is not in doubt, and his skill at the matter at hand is not in question, then the only cause for distress remaining is the moral obligation of whether one's own past deeds are deserving of judgement. I raise the point now, then." A little on the nose perhaps, but one should be allowed some small amusements to go with the weight of the crown.

"The Imperium," you continue, "has been birthed at the dawning of a new age, and many living in that age have undergone a rebirth of sorts themselves. Should Minister Iziku cause more intentional good than accidental harm in the undertaking of his duties, I will count myself well content. And if he should perform intentional harm out of malice for his fellow citizens, you can rest assured he will not be maintaining his post for very long." Or likely his life, you think but do not say, that would come too close to a threat to utter here where such discourse and disagreement as the realm must process has been invited to take place under the light of day. Still, you imagine quite a few had heard it all too clearly. You have not been any less explicit with the stick than the carrot when it comes down to it.

Well if nothing else you seem to be making those who were already under the spell of Iziku's words count themselves even more wise, but you are not certain you are persuading those who had remained mostly aloof from it. Eddard Stark's eyes are grey and cold as frozen pools in the depths of winter and he is poor indeed at hiding it.

Maybe one more push... "I am unconcerned with utilizing the talents of those who approach me and gather around the hearth fire I have lit to the best of their abilities, in order to allow more to join in that warmth. We are each of us a portion of that light cast, and each responsible for excising the darkness in our fellows where we see it, and not mistake it for the shadows cast by the ones close to us."

"Are you trying to convert them?" Dany's voice echoes in your thoughts, amused. Long has it been since her own words, innocently spoken, had formed the root of that oft used rhetorical flourish and much had she learned since then, much had you all learned. Not all come to the fire because they love the light, some simply do so because they find it useful not to freeze.

"Maybe a bit," you admit. "Is it working do you think?"

"On those who wish to be converted, as usual," she replies and stretches her silvery wings slightly as she looks about the hall, picking out each face and each pair of watching eyes as keenly as you. "Those who have already found another faith will not look with good eyes upon the companionship of devils."

The harvester quickly then fields questions about his former duties with as much truthfulness as ever he had done, making black seem grey by golden light and seeking to reframe his own rebellion as a matter of principle twice over that makes him seem most well-suited for trust in high affairs. It is a good thing that those questioning him do not know yet much of devils or of Hell, though that will change in less than a week. By then they shall have much more to worry about than the person of the Minister of Taxation.

***​

Perhaps you should not have assigned Veda to speak after Izku, you think with the benefit of hindsight as the session pauses for lunch. Having a woman who explicitly has little use for gods speak up after a baatezu troubled even those whose worries might otherwise have been left sleeping. It is not that she does not have a point about secular education being broader in scope and oft deeper in understanding than that which also teaches faith or morals, but she could have been a lot less acerbic about it. Thankfully this is the upper chamber and not the lower or it would have raised even more of a hue and outcry. At least the magisters seem content that education should not count upon the priests, which for most of Essos is ones garbed in red who love them not.

Faithful Mood: Troubled
All well and good to talk about wiping the slate clean for a new dawn, but there was no repentance in the devil's eye and no sign that he would not do it all again with yet more skilled if he was asked. Should not in some measure the master be judged by the servants he calls?

Magister Mood: Content
If there is room for devils in the taxman's office than surely there is room for us who have enslaved only bodies and not souls. Such a fine argument it will make and such a fine ally the Minister shall be.

"Perhaps," a familiar voice interrupts your musings. "My own introduction should distract from other more remote worries." Bloodraven offers a commiserating smile at what must be to him the familiar burdens of managing court factions, albeit in a less structured manner. "For some after all I would be the devil they know and for others I would be a strange apparition, perfect fodder for gossip."

"I do not think we can call the discussions of the Princeps gossip, my lord," you reply mock chiding.

"Not to their faces perhaps," he waves the matter aside. "So what say you, Your Majesty? If nothing else it should allow the Minister of Justice to slip through quietly without any questions of his previous affiliations."

"Eddard Stark already looked like he would much wish to speak, but could not find a way to do so without giving offense," you shake your head and consider how you might put the next part delicately. "The matter of your previous affiliation is sure to come up. The man does not lack for either bravery and his principles are dearly held, a blight on all politics."

"Yet it is hardly possible for him to argue with the fact that the very gods by which he swears have given me leave to cast aside the black cloak. He could just ask his younger daughter, or pray before a godswood and it is with my voice that the white lips shall speak, though he knows it not."

"I think it might be best to speak to Roose Bolton on the matter," Dany pipes in unexpectedly in turn. "He is looking to fashion a faction of those who keep to the ways of the First Men and he is a... practical man from all I have heard of him. With his support Uncle Brynden's seating would have less whispers among the Northern Lords and I do not think many in the south will have the courage to speak up at first, not least because they could not count on support from other voices as Lord Stark would."

"For now," you muse. "If what you say about Bolton is true Stark is about to have a march stolen on him. He cannot count on historical ties for his leverage forever."

"Your Majesty," Bloodraven interjects. "You forget I think that I am not a minister. It is not the place of the Curia Princeps to question me, and if they should murmur and glare at me from under their eyebrows, let them. I am well used to it by now. I was used to it ere most of them were even welped." A laugh dark as the shadow of black wings falls from his lips.

Do you take Bloodraven's suggestion?

[] Yes, let him make his entrance after lunch

[] No, continue with the ministers as they have been

[] Write in


OOC: A reminder that politics is not just what happens on the floor of the Curia.
 
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Council Open and Hidden

Eighteenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

"The simple truth of the matter, Lady Breolis, is that when it comes to selecting those who will serve the Imperium, especially in such an important capacity as Minister of Taxation, whether or not my choice would be welcomed by the citizenry mattered far less than the skill in which they could carry out their duties, as well as their adherence to the strictures and tenets of the Imperium." You look out over the assembled Princeps, gaze sweeping the worried and the intrigued, the understanding and the offended, and then returning to Lady Breolis you smile. "Perhaps that does lean upon reiteration more than is required at this point. That these words will satisfy those who are already assured of the vetting process of the Inquisition and those trusting of my own good sense, does not answer the heart of your inquiry, my lady."

She offers a smile no less than yours and nods, well content in having played her part in allowing you to declaim your point in open session. Your gaze happens to land directly upon Mace Tyrell as you recount the rest of your piece. He would have the least cause to trust a thing you say simply because you had been the one to say it. Not a loyalist and not so much a pragmatist as he might fondly imagine himself to be, else he would not have tried so long and so hard to make his daughter queen.

"If a person's loyalty is not in doubt, and his skill at the matter at hand is not in question, the only cause for distress remaining is the moral obligate of whether one's own past deeds are undeserving of judgement. I raise the point now, then." A little on the nose perhaps, but one should be allowed some small amusements to go with the weight of the crown.

"The Imperium," you continue, "has been birthed at the dawning of a new age, and many living in that age have undergone a rebirth of sorts themselves. Should Minister Iziku cause more intentional good than accidental harm in the undertaking of his duties, I will count myself well content. And if he should perform intentional harm out of malice for his fellow citizens, you can rest assured he will not be maintaining his post for very long." Or likely his life, you think but do not say, that would come too close to a threat to utter here, where such discourse and disagreement as the realm must process has been invited to take place under the light of day. Still, you imagine quite a few had heard it all too clearly. You have not been any less explicit with the stick than the carrot when it comes down to it.

Well, if nothing else, you seem to be making those who were already under the spell of Iziku's words count themselves even more wise, but you are not certain you are persuading those who had remained mostly aloof from it. Eddard Stark's eyes are grey and cold as frozen pools in the depths of winter, and he is poor indeed at hiding it.

Maybe one more push... "I am concerned with utilizing the talents of those who approach me and gather around the hearth fire I have lit to the best of their abilities, in order to allow more to join in that warmth. We are each of us a portion of that light cast, and each responsible for excising the darkness in our fellows where we see it, and to not mistake it for the shadows cast by the ones close to us."

"Are you trying to convert them?" Dany's voice echoes in your thoughts, amused. Long has it been since her own innocently spoken words had formed the root of that oft used rhetorical flourish, and much had she learned since then, much had you all learned. Not all come to the fire because they love the light, some simply gather close because they find it useful not to freeze.

"Maybe a bit," you admit. "Is it working, do you think?"

"On those who wish to be converted as usual," she replies and stretches her silvery wings slightly as she looks about the hall, picking out each face and each pair of watching eyes as keenly as you. "Those who have already found another faith will not look with good eyes upon the companionship of devils."

The harvester then quickly fields questions about his former duties with as much truthfulness as ever he had done, making black seem grey by golden light and seeking to frame his own rebellion as a matter of principle twice over that makes him most well suited for trust in high affairs. It is a good thing that those questioning him do not know yet much of devils or of hellm though that will change in less than a week. By then they shall have much more to worry about than the person of the Minister of Taxation.

***​

Perhaps you should not have assigned Veda to speak after Izku, you think with the benefit of hindsight as the session pauses for lunch. Having a woman who explicitly has little use for gods speak up after a baatezu troubled even those whose worries might otherwise have been left sleeping. It is not that she does not have a point about secular education being broader in scope and oft deeper in understanding than that which also teaches faith or morals, but she could have been a lot less acerbic about it. Thankfully, this is the upper chamber and not the lower, or it would have raised even more of a hue and outcry. At least the magisters seem content that education should not count upon the priests, which for most of Essos is ones garbed in red who love them not.

Faithful Mood: Troubled
All well and good to talk about wiping the slate clean for a new dawn, but there was no repentance in the devil's eye and no sign that he should not do it all again with yet more skill if he was asked. Should not in some measure the master be judged by the servants he calls?

Magister Mood: Content
If there is room for devils in the tax man's office, then surely there is room for us who have enslaved only bodies and not souls. Such a fine argument it will make and such a fine ally the Minister shall be.

"Perhaps," a familiar voice interrupts your musings. "My own introduction should distract from other, more remote worries." Bloodraven offers a commiserating smile at what must be to him the familiar burdens of managing court factions, albeit in a less structured manner. "After all, for some I would be the devil they know and for others I would be a strange apparition, perfect fodder for gossip."

"I do not think we can call the discussions of the Princeps gossip, my lord," you reply, mock chiding.

"Not to their faces, perhaps," he waves the matter aside. "So what say you, Your Majesty? If nothing else, it should allow the Minister of Justice to slip through quietly without any questions of his previous affiliations."

"Eddard Stark already looked like he would much wish to speak, but could not find a way to do so without giving offense," you shake your head and consider how you might put the next part delicately. "The matter of your previous affiliation is sure to come up. The man does not lack for bravery and his principles are dearly held, a blight on all politics."

"Yet it is hardly possible for him to argue with the fact that the very gods by which he swears have given me leave to cast aside the black cloak. He could just ask his younger daughter or pray before a godswood, and it is with my voice that the white lips shall speak, though he knows it not."

"I think it might be best to speak to Roose Bolton on the matter," Dany pipes in unexpectedly in turn. "He is looking to fashion a faction of those who keep to the ways of the First Men, and he is a... practical man from all I have heard of him. With his support, Uncle Brynden's seating would have less whispers among the Northern Lords. I do not think many in the south will have the courage to speak up at first, not least because they could not count on support from other voices as Lord Stark would."

"For now," you muse. "If what you say about Bolton is true, Stark is about to have a march stolen on him. He cannot forever count opon historical ties for his leverage."

"Your Majesty," Bloodraven interjects. "You forget, I think, that I am not a minister. It is not the place of the Curia Princeps to question me, and if they should murmur and glare at me from under their eyebrows, let them. I am well used to it by now. I was used to it ere most of them were even whelped." A laugh dark as the shadow of black wings falls from his lips.

Do you take Bloodraven's suggestion?

[] Yes, let him make his entrance after lunch

[] No, continue with the ministers as they have been

[] Write in


OOC: A reminder that politics is not just what happens on the floor of the Curia. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
I think we should carry on introducing the Ministers and save Bloodraven's appearance for later. The rest of the Ministers should also be more palatable to most of the attendees.

[X] No, continue with the ministers as they have been
"Yet it is hardly possible for him to argue with the fact that the very gods by which he swears have given me leave to cast aside the black cloak. He could just ask his younger daughter, or pray before a godswood and it is with my voice that the white lips shall speak, though he knows it not."
Bloodraven: "Hold my ale."

Several hours later, as Ned Stark prays before one of the many Heart Trees of Sorcerer's Deep.

Totally not Bloodraven speaking through a Heart Tree: "Bloodraven is the last Greenseer. He was called into a service more sacred than even that of the Night's Watch. Pay no attention to the man behind the foliage curtain..."
 
[X] Yes, let him make his entrance after lunch
-[X] Do it with style, Scarbrand roars into the chamber, scars ablaze with power, a parade of Leshies showering petals with Treants as honor guards
-[X] "Presenting, the Former Hand of the King, The Sorcerer before the Dragon, 994th Commander of the Nights Watch, the last of the Great Bastards, the Greenseer, Brynden Rivers!"
-[X] And in an ominous tone. "...also known as Bloodraven."
 
"The man with the manifold plan! The seer without peer! The Bastard of Disaster! The Roast of Ghosts! The Commander of Slander! The Jester born before many of your ancestors! The spy with a thousand and one eyes!"

"... how long does this go on?"

"For a while."
 
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@DragonParadox, bonus points if Uncle Bloodraven makes his intro with his dragon curled around his shoulders.

Bloodraven is terrifying enough for any Westerosi. He is the continental Boogeyman, from Dorne to the Farthest North. Bloodraven with a dragon is so much worse.
 
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@DragonParadox, bonus points if Uncle Bloodraven makes his intro with his dragon curled around his shoulders.

Bloodraven is terrifying enough for any Westerosi. He is the continental Boogeyman, from Dorne to the Farthest North. Bloodraven with a dragon is so much worse.

Eh... I would not be so sure of that. The thing that makes him scary has nothing to do with the field of battle. I would say the fact that he is a Lord Inquisitor is much more scary. Dragons are after all something that you only have to worry about when you are at war with the throne, Inquisitors less so.
 
Eh... I would not be so sure of that. The thing that makes him scary has nothing to do with the field of battle. I would say the fact that he is a Lord Inquisitor is much more scary. Dragons are after all something that you only have to worry about when you are at war with the throne, Inquisitors less so.
The fact that he's a Lord Inquisitor is of course terrifying, but his ominous reputation is still built on a foundation of martial accomplishments. He was a key figure in multiple Blackfyre Rebellions. At the very least we'd be seeing an exasperated, "Of course he got a dragon."
 
The fact that he's a Lord Inquisitor is of course terrifying, but his ominous reputation is still built on a foundation of martial accomplishments. He was a key figure in multiple Blackfyre Rebellions. At the very least we'd be seeing an exasperated, "Of course he got a dragon."

Oh yeah, definitely the latter. I think for the most part what makes Byrnden scary is his reputation for ruthlessness in a time of peace. The war stuff is what makes it so you cannot dismiss him the way so many did to Varys or Littlefinger in canon.
 
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