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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
But that argument can be said for the other jobs.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I dont see managing the waystone 'groups' as 'free' : they are very likely to be treated as 'subordinates/originations just like max and the EIC.

so: Half-AP for Elf mages, half-AP runesmiths, Half-AP for Imperial etc etc

if there is one thing that can be said to be written in stone: Boeny don't give free AP lunches.
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...if you think the Eonir or the Guild of Runesmiths are going to put us in charge of their own magic-users, I have a bridge to sell you in Marienburg. We're liaising: "hefty management of subordinates" is not something that is true of all the jobs on offer, because the jobs are different jobs.
 
inbred martian said:
This site should really have a Vote option that keeps the amount hidden and only lets you vote for one thing so people will vote for what they actually want
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It does have that, actually: Polls, which can be set to hide the results until they're done, and can allow for both single choices and approval voting.

The main issue with polls is that QM's can't easily reset them and need to contact the staff to do so, which gets annoying quick - that's planned to be included in the major QM tools rollout that keeps getting pushed back but will probably arrive sometime in 2022.
 
picklepikkl said:
...if you think the Eonir or the Guild of Runesmiths are going to put us in charge of their own magic-users, I have a bridge to sell you in Marienburg. We're liaising: "hefty management of subordinates" is not something that is true of all the jobs on offer, because the jobs are different jobs.
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I'm not saying MAthy will actually be in change: just that we will have to spend ap like that or something.

edit: I'm just pointing out that outside of Bodygurad, no job is offering AP saving.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I'm not saying actually change: just that we will have to spend ap like that or something.

edit: I'm just point out that outside of Bodygurad, no job is offering AP saving.
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We will have to spend time doing our job regardless of what that job is, yes. (Unless we go Loremaster again, I guess.) But the number of actions we will need to spend managing other people is almost certainly lower in the Waystones job, and more pertinently the type of actions are almost certainly going to be more fun to read.

If I'm given a choice between spending a half action reading about cool Waystone magic research or spending it reading about whether our Steward did their job in Sylvania, I know which I prefer.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I'm not saying MAthy will actually be in change: just that we will have to spend ap like that or something.

edit: I'm just pointing out that outside of Bodygurad, no job is offering AP saving.
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Bodyguard is not offering AP saving.

Its a troubleshooting job like LaL, but with the 'official' job of tutoring/protecting Mandred on top of that.

LaL probably offers the most free time of the jobs that actually have a chance of winning.
 
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NavySeel said:
To be honest I'm still conflicted by the choice between Markgraf and Waystones.
But I just fine a certain ammount of the arguments against Markgraf kind disingenuous.

I feel like the fact that people are attacking it so hard is simply pushing me more into supporting it.
Unfortunately I have realized over the years I do have a kind of spiteful streak at times.

Honestly if people started talking up the Waystone option instead of tearing down the other one I favour I might not feel this way.
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The waystone option is the one here we have the most control over what we do.

It is the one that allows us to be mobile to explore different parts of the world.

It's the one that allows us to do the most magic research, and the most lore research. Utilizing our high learning stat.

It's the one where we can interact with different cultures. I want to see BoneyM's take on the elves and all the human magic organizations.

It's the one where our Xenosffinity trait comes to play.

It gives us high return in both college credit and in the advancement of the forces of good.

Access to power sources might allow us to explore high level spells without a storm of magic

Nerd outs with other researchers, I love the dynamic Mathilde has when she nerds out with other wizards and runemasters (ex. The duckling club)

Nerd offs, which I hope will happen.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I'm not saying actually change: just that we will have to spend ap like that or something.
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Why? The mechanics in place are clear: we have to spend AP to manage subordinates or organizations. If we're not in control, we don't spend AP; if we don't spend AP, we don't have control. Those are pretty well-established, and:
BoneyM said:
There's already an underling management system in the quest that IMO is working fine, I don't see a reason to switch over to some new system.
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So it feels like you're saying "Boney will make us spend AP out of our personal budget but won't give us control," which seems... really unfounded in anything other than pure speculation, and also uncharitable to our QM.
Silver Gambit said:
The idea that Markgraf is noticeably more ap hungry then the other choices seems false to me.
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I mean, it's been eating up all of Roswita's time such that she's been unable to properly attend to Stirland. She told us as much.
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"Right." She taps the map forcefully. "Settling the matter of Sylvania is why I took the title of Grand Countess, but the oath I swore when I became it was to Stirland, not Sylvania, and I'm neglecting that oath with every season spent here. One way to resolve that is..." She frowns, considering her words. "Despite my misgivings when we first met, you've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you're worthy of absolute trust. If you became Markgräfin of Sylvania, I could turn my full attention to Stirland without concerns."
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Redshirt Army said:
Mathilde has spoken to Roswita like 5 times total on-screen. It's touching that Roswita trusts us, but we are absolutely not the only one Roswita can trust, and arguably not even the best candidate for Markgraf given it's primarily a Stewardship/Diplomacy position, not a Magic/Learning/Intrigue one.
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It's primarily Stewardship/Martial/Intrigue. Stewardship because it's nation building and looking through finances for chicanery, Martial because it's Sylvania, and Intrigue because there's gonna be plots against us. Mathilde is very good at Stewardship, Martial, and Intrigue so she's very likely to be the best candidate for Markgraf even before considering her magical abilities and connections.
 
Silver Gambit said:
The idea that Markgraf is noticeably more ap hungry then the other choices seems false to me.
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How so? Boney explicitly noted that when scaled to a "traditional" CK2 quest with six advisors, each of those advisors would take up a half-action slot.

I fully expect us to use up at least 4 half actions in Sylvania managing our underlings (we will need a Marshal, Steward, Spymaster, and Piety advisor at absolute minimum), and the full 6 isn't that unlikely (we'll probably want a Diplomat, and having somewhere to delegate research actions is more efficient than doing them ourselves).

So yeah, I fully expect fully half our actions to be dedicated to pure management.
 
Markgraf also allows us to actually use all of those anti undead and anti vampire buffs we have, the Liber mortis will actually have plot relevance again other then as a fancy book that we never got any use out of.
 
picklepikkl said:
I mean, it's been eating up all of Roswita's time such that she's been unable to properly attend to Stirland. She told us as much, in those words.
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Yeah, but Roswita has to care for all of Stirland. Even a 1 AP per turn deficit can be way too much. And a 2,5 AP per turn deficit for just one area (out of, like, 7 or 8, plus general policy) can be catastrophic for an EC, but it would be well within what most jobs demand of Mathilde.
 
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picklepikkl said:
Why? The mechanics in place are clear: we have to spend AP to manage subordinates or organizations. If we're not in control, we don't spend AP; if we don't spend AP, we don't have control. Those are pretty well-established, and:
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AP is both an Abstraction of Boneys time and a tool for creating the game through scarcity, making any of the Jobs AP little is the same as turning down the difficulty of the game and adding work onto them.

scarcity is the fun of the game: e.g all jobs will the AP hungry in their own ways.

edit: so even if the story is different, boeny will still come up with ways to eat the AP so we never get around to doing everything we want.
 
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HavocKeeper said:
If the tally program didn't show numbers people would just install NetTally again and use that. It's what we did before the integrated tally existed.
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Normally you'd be right, but I've seen votes in this quest stretch for so many pages that SV will start refusing page requests causing nettally to fail, and while I've not checked I suspect this is one of them.
inbred martian said:
whats Net tally? im guessing its a third party tally counter or something?
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Pretty much, yeah. Though I think the same guy who made it coded the integrated tallier, so.
 
If we do the Waystone Project, and wind up liaising between the Eonir and K8P, wouldn't that potentially drag K8P into the whole Ulrican Elves political mess? With potential complications involving the refugees fleeing said elves?
 
Markgraf is the least likely for job AP actions to be also be actions we would spend AP on if it wasn't the job - the other three are going to involve at least some research and learning, which lets some AP do double duty.

But it's likely to be similar for every job.
 
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