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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
Yes, they're both city-states independent of the province they're in that just happen to be under the control of the Elector Counts of said provinces at this point in history. Technically the Elector Count of Middenland is the Grand Duke of Middenland, 'Graf' is the title associated with Middenheim. Both city-states lost their Elector status as part of Magnus' electoral reforms.
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Where can I find more on this? The wiki mentions that the -heims were once independent from the -lands but I can't find anything on both of those holding Elector votes. The wiki acts like there were never more than 12 Elector Counts (and five non-inheritable Electors), two of which got striped without a replacement having been handed out.

If of course what you said is Quest canon (difficult to tell apart some times) them I'm curious whether the -heims or the -lands used to be the ones with the Runefangs.
Deathbybunnies said:
we were all talking about
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You are vastly overstating. Even back then there were plenty of people arguing that the "Mathilde is a terrible Loremaster now" trend seemed wrong to them and that they wanted to stick around K8P in one way or another. And that's not even counting the fact that the amount of people saying anything at all on the matter were less than 200 while we are more than 500 voters right now.

And I say all this as someone who did initially get swept along in that trend and wasn't very high on even Loremaster-at-Large until Belegar himself sold it to me in the last chapter.
 
Also, this:
BoneyM said:
I can't grab the entire Dwarven race by the beards and shake them until they stop looking backward and start looking forward. But I like them, so I'll do what I can to make the world a better place for them."

"There's a line for their history books. 'The Mathilde Age: She liked us, so she made the world a better place for us'." You roll your eyes at his teasing, but can't help smiling. "Why do you like them? Dwarves aren't exactly fans of magic."
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To me, this is the goal for Loremaster at Large: The Mathilde Age.
 
Belegar certainly has pretty strong opinions about some wider Karaz Ankor issues and would like his voice to be more strongly felt on them.

BoneyM said:
I want Karak Eight Peaks to retake its place at the forefront of the Karaz Ankor, and you could be a big part of that."
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I definitely don't think this was just a line he came up with to give Mathilde an excuse to do things, and he doesn't actually care about K8P being prominent. I don't think a future High King bid is by any means in the forefront of his mind or the only potential end goal for trying to assert a stronger influence on the wider Karaz Ankor, but neither would I say it's a complete impossibility he'd never consider if the circumstances were right.
 
Rafin said:
Where can I find more on this? The wiki mentions that the -heims were once independent from the -lands but I can't find anything on both of those holding Elector votes. The wiki acts like there were never more than 12 Elector Counts (and five non-inheritable Electors), two of which got striped without a replacement having been handed out.
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Sigmar's Heirs, Terror in Talabheim, Ashes of Middenheim. The wiki is useful but not always accurate, it often prefers to pick one source as the sole font of canon and copy-pastes entire paragraphs from it instead of bringing together the disparate pieces from multiple sourcebooks.
 
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Do we know whether Roswita is read into the Conspiracy of Silence or not? I can't remember.

I am currently trying to speculate how each rejected potential employer would react depending on which job offer we accepted instead. Like Swamp Town would garner us a lot of WTF confusion and "Wizards are crazy" reactions and I can see Heidi being the type to be a bit disappointed if we choose a different Empire option, even if she would ultimately concede that she understands the appeal of a proper noble title or the danger posed by the Skaven in Nuln.
 
Rafin said:
Do we know whether Roswita is read into the Conspiracy of Silence or not? I can't remember.

I am currently trying to speculate how each rejected potential employer would react depending on which job offer we accepted instead. Like Swamp Town would garner us a lot of WTF confusion and "Wizards are crazy" reactions and I can see Heidi being the type to be a bit disappointed if we choose a different Empire option, even if she would ultimately concede that she understands the appeal of a proper noble title or the danger posed by the Skaven in Nuln.
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As a Former high ranking Witch hunter from a family of high ranking Witch hunters: most definitely.

like, its not their main thing, but Witch hunters will come across the rats looking for cults.
 
TimEd said:
Yeah, I really liked the dude for that. He was such a good recruit roll. Stirred up the thread for a good while.
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I think the thread has adopted him, at least a little.

With any of the leading options, I can see Mathilde heading to the light college to check if he's up for an adventure. Loremaster, most of all, since he said he's interested in adventures out of the empire.

Markgraf might even see her trying to make the position permanent (as Official Hysh dispenser).
 
IronFist said:
I think the thread has adopted him, at least a little.

With any of the leading options, I can see Mathilde heading to the light college to check if he's up for an adventure. Loremaster, most of all, since he said he's interested in adventures out of the empire.

Markgraf might even see her trying to make the position permanent (as Official Hysh dispenser).
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Interesting, since I see Bodyguard as far and away the best choice for helping out our buddy Horstmann - after all, the only one who can overrule the Light Patriarch on where to send Horstmann is the Emperor...
 
Yeah, I saw that as a byproduct of just how many and how often BoneyM managed to slip in multi purpose lines to never have us be fully sure of his allegiance one way or the other.

It's like he said
BoneyM said:
"Is this a Grey Wizard thing? You just seek out the biggest question you can and bang yourself against it like a moth against a lantern so you have a constant source of confusion at hand?"
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and Magister Egrimm van Horstmann is like a dispenser for paranoia pills, either aimed at him or his ex master. Basocally catnip for both Mathilde (even if she doesn' conciously know it yet) or the thread.
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
And not being good with Dwarven Laws is a relatively minor inconvenience when your advisor can pull Darven Holds out of the Aethyr... We are giving the Dwarfs hope, and that is something that we are uniquely prepared to continue doing.
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Other Dwarf King: "Your Loremaster shows a shocking lack of knowledge of the law and tradition of our people."

Belegar: "She reclaimed most of my hold in a single afternoon, slaughtered my enemies, delivered unto me a source of near-limitless wealth, translated queekish, then kicked the Chaos gods in the balls by pulling an entire hold, with twenty thousand surviving Dwarves, out of the warp. What has your Loremaster done recently?"
 
Breadnaugt said:
Other Dwarf King: "Your Loremaster shows a shocking lack of knowledge of the law and tradition of our people."

Belegar: "She reclaimed most of my hold in a single afternoon, slaughtered my enemies, delivered unto me a source of near-limitless wealth, translated queekish, then kicked the Chaos gods in the balls by pulling an entire hold, with twenty thousand surviving Dwarves, out of the warp. What has your Loremaster done recently?"
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Loremaster Weber, giving proper loremasters' alcoholism alcoholism.
 
Breadnaugt said:
Other Dwarf King: "Your Loremaster shows a shocking lack of knowledge of the law and tradition of our people."

Belegar: "She reclaimed most of my hold in a single afternoon, slaughtered my enemies, delivered unto me a source of near-limitless wealth, translated queekish, then kicked the Chaos gods in the balls by pulling an entire hold, with twenty thousand surviving Dwarves, out of the warp. What has your Loremaster done recently?"
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Other Dwarf King:... He made clear advances on the search for the inheritors of the debt that clan Whiskey incurred when they blew themselves up due to an alcohol explosion and burned the walls of the hold...
 
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Breadnaugt said:
Other Dwarf King: "Your Loremaster shows a shocking lack of knowledge of the law and tradition of our people."

Belegar: "She reclaimed most of my hold in a single afternoon, slaughtered my enemies, delivered unto me a source of near-limitless wealth, translated queekish, then kicked the Chaos gods in the balls by pulling an entire hold, with twenty thousand surviving Dwarves, out of the warp. What has your Loremaster done recently?"
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Other Dwarf King: "their actual job" :V
 
Rafin said:
I'm not even sure if Sylvania ever had a Runefang. If it did, Vlad von Carstein would have gotten it after his wife inherited it.
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So, there were twelve tribes of men that fought at Blackfire Pass with the Dwarfs. After the battle, the High King commissioned Alaric the Mad to create the twelve runefangs for those tribes. He finished them 100 years later and they were delivered at the same time to the Empire. Sylvania didn't join the Empire until it was conquered under Sigismund the Conqueror, where it probably became part of Stirland, before later achieving independence from them after the chaos of the Night of the Restless Dead in 1688, when Nagash's resurrection 1,666 years after his defeat at the hands of Sigmar caused dead around the world to rise and attack.

Of the original twelve Runefangs, (ignoring the confusion about Nordland and Marienburg) the Solland and Drakwald Runefangs went to the Emperor when the provinces were destroyed, with the Solland Runefang in-use by the Reiksmarshall and the Drakwald Runefang sitting in the Imperial Armory to be given to a champion of the Emperor when needed. The rest should still be with their original province.
 
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I imagine that normal famous Loremasters resolve old feuds or create clever treaties and institutional structures. Those are worthy things, that could require someone with high Learning, a good head on their shoulders, and high Stewardship and/or Diplomacy. An impressive skillset! Just, uh, not a skillset that's normally useful to retake lost Holds unless you can leverage your Learning into wizard-bullshit.

IronFist said:
Loremaster Weber, giving proper loremasters' alcoholism alcoholism.
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It's not alcoholism is you have a proper Dawi-grade liver! Stone doesn't get drunk, it erodes as the extra-strong spirits dissolve the lining of your stomach!
 
Valmond said:
Other Dwarf King: "their actual job" :V
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Honestly, I never understood the hype about lawmen being the One True Loremaster type. Runesmiths and engineers are tapped about as often, and Mathilde can be described as a runesmith stand-in with a particulary radical engineer's sensibilities and care for traditions.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Come on guys, just a few days ago we were all talking about how Belegar could use a real Loremaster as an established hold, and not a Wizard with a fake beard!

He likes us and doesn't want us to feel unwelcome, but going around solving problems for other dwarves isn't what's best for Karak Eight Peaks, it's trying to find justification for Mathilde to not feel bad abojt stickong around.

(At least, that was my reading of it, but I'm not in the guy's head.)
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Boney just made a post about how Mathilde has done enough and there's no obligation to choose whichever option maximizes utility. I happen to like K8P, so that's how I'm voting, and if it's a selfish decision then so be it, Mathilde has earned a bit of that.

Unrelated to the current vote, I hope we decide to poke around the Lhune depths.
 
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