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Doeesn't Branalhune work better for us than a Runefang anyway?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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That sounds like it would end in civil war really quickly considering that Silvania is a part of Stirland now, and that could be construed as an emperor taking power from the Elector counts.
Also this.
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...that would be... I don't think you've really thought through what you are suggesting. It would be a declaration of war against Stirland, for starters. As an obvious result of that no way would the emperor ever agree.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Abel gave his life to make Sylvania part of Stirland.
If we're going to break his legacy like that, I expect to get a ressurection attempt out of it too!
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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...Um, why would doing really good at being a Count help that more than doing really good at being a Markgraf? The count title is for administering a much smaller territory, not the whole of Sylvania. Even if this was possible—which as many people have pointed out is unlikely—the route you're thinking of is going Markgraf, not Count.
Drucchi
Wasp Guy
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Hmm judging by all this it seems like I have made a fundamental misunderstanding of what those voting options were, oops.
494 votes and the top 4 are still within a dozen votes of one another. That's impressive.
Part of the temptation for Bodyguard and Waystone is the chance of moving a bit beyond getting in a tricky situation and then shaping things up.
Sure putting out fires was fun for a long while... but Mathilde has been gravitating from one campaign to another for almost two decades now. I'd personally like some wizardly mentor time or wizardly researcher/diplomat time to spice things up.
This is Warhammer - there's always going to be need of troubleshooting eventually.
Sylvania was not one of the original Runefang provinces and the Emperor isn't going to upgrade Mathilde's title.
If we want to add an Elector vote the 'easiest' way would be to become Supreme Matriarch because then we'd have the strong support of 8 powerful institutions and we wouldn't be stealing the thunder from anyone (or rather we'd be diluting Electoral power equally).
The moment we try to mess with the territory of existing Elector Counts or the current religious makeup of the Empire the knives will come out in a hurry because we'd be inherently creating a spicy precedent.
Part of the temptation for Bodyguard and Waystone is the chance of moving a bit beyond getting in a tricky situation and then shaping things up.
Sure putting out fires was fun for a long while... but Mathilde has been gravitating from one campaign to another for almost two decades now. I'd personally like some wizardly mentor time or wizardly researcher/diplomat time to spice things up.
This is Warhammer - there's always going to be need of troubleshooting eventually.
Sylvania was not one of the original Runefang provinces and the Emperor isn't going to upgrade Mathilde's title.
If we want to add an Elector vote the 'easiest' way would be to become Supreme Matriarch because then we'd have the strong support of 8 powerful institutions and we wouldn't be stealing the thunder from anyone (or rather we'd be diluting Electoral power equally).
The moment we try to mess with the territory of existing Elector Counts or the current religious makeup of the Empire the knives will come out in a hurry because we'd be inherently creating a spicy precedent.
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Well fuck. That's a ridiculous turn out of nowhere. Damn, I liked Gotrek! His poor wife.
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[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
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I flinch a bit every time I see a new post that doesn't include a vote for Bodyguard. It's just close enough that I can assume any one of the top four have a fair shot at winning, yet still uncomfortably lag behind (by this ridiculous vote's standards, at least) while also being impossible for my favored vote to pull ahead or even fall out of contention, which would at least relieve the stress of it all.
This vote is probably gonna be open for two or three days at least, too. Which is plenty of time for early-voters to return and change their votes if they voted for something unlikely and want their vote to actually impact the tally.
Gods this vote has been ridiculous in all the best and worst ways. We're up to almost 500 now, right?
In the meantime, I'll be here shilling Heidi and Mandred for the moderate/swing crowd, I guess.
Speaking of:
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
This vote is probably gonna be open for two or three days at least, too. Which is plenty of time for early-voters to return and change their votes if they voted for something unlikely and want their vote to actually impact the tally.
Gods this vote has been ridiculous in all the best and worst ways. We're up to almost 500 now, right?
In the meantime, I'll be here shilling Heidi and Mandred for the moderate/swing crowd, I guess.
Speaking of:
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
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That was a gut-punch out of nowhere that none of us were expecting to walk into, yeah. Perfect introduction to 2021.
Since you're coming up on them, I recommend you read through all the discussion posts between Parts 14 and 15, if you haven't passed those by now. They're only separated by a couple of pages, because Boney posted them within hours of each other, and it'll help you get into the head-space that we were in when Boney dropped Part 15 on us. It'll add to the experience, believe me.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Come on people, let's go to Sylvania!
With just 12 or so more votes, our lives could be this idyllic. Don't you think Panoramia would like that?
Warning: Omegahugger does not take responsibility for any misleading impressions his shameless propaganda might cause
With just 12 or so more votes, our lives could be this idyllic. Don't you think Panoramia would like that?
Warning: Omegahugger does not take responsibility for any misleading impressions his shameless propaganda might cause
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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[x] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
I much prefer Markgraf or Bodyguard over the other two, but I definitely want Waystones the least out of the four, so I'm adding Loremaster. If nothing else, it's an option with lots of potential for earning new titles, which is always a good thing. I mean, imagine if we did end up killing that nest of Fire dragons. Or just talking to them, but that's less likely. Dragon Slayer Mathilde sounds pretty fun, doesn't it? I mean, our runic gear is actually pretty good for assassinating them, given we're immune to fire can hit them with a cannon sword, and are sneaky as fuck.
Or Dragon Whisperer, if we get really lucky. That would be nice, if highly unlikely.
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
I much prefer Markgraf or Bodyguard over the other two, but I definitely want Waystones the least out of the four, so I'm adding Loremaster. If nothing else, it's an option with lots of potential for earning new titles, which is always a good thing. I mean, imagine if we did end up killing that nest of Fire dragons. Or just talking to them, but that's less likely. Dragon Slayer Mathilde sounds pretty fun, doesn't it? I mean, our runic gear is actually pretty good for assassinating them, given we're immune to fire can hit them with a cannon sword, and are sneaky as fuck.
Or Dragon Whisperer, if we get really lucky. That would be nice, if highly unlikely.
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Well, adding bodyguard to strategically vote against Waystone.
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
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I see a Chaos(?) Dwarf Sorcerer(?) kidnapping children, Beastmen in their forest village, monsters buried in swamps and vampire bats.
Sylvanian Tourist Board Brand checks out.
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I've been reading all of Boney's comments from the beginning of the Dum Expedition. It's a hell of a lot faster than reading 2k pages (only 75 pages of comments from Boney alone), but still gives a bit of the feeling of the thread. He quotes a lot in his responses and I figure a lot of the big stuff will be mentioned in passing in response to statements/questions from readers. Not perfect, but faster. I'll make a note to read thru 14-15 in its entirety though if it's as short as you imply.
Some of these chapters have hundreds of pages of discussion between them, and yeah, I like you guys, but not that much lol.
Edit :it's amazing how different the statement 'not much' and 'not that much' are.
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Yeah, there's a difference between a count, a minor noble who rules a county, which is typically a couple of towns and a bit of farm/wood/marshland/dhar infested waste, and a Grand Count, AKA Elector Count, who rules one of the ten provinces of the Empire and holds the right to vote on the next Emperor. In real life, the Holy Roman Empire had Elector Princes, which is what Sigmar's Empire is very, very loosely based on.
It doesn't help that in canon, there's no standardisation of noble titles across the Empire; in Nordland, a noble would be called "Master" or "Mistress", but only if they owned land on the coastline, whilst along the river Reik you'll see many Reikgrafs and Reikgravins instead. This even applies to Electors; instead of Grand Count the head of the League of Ostermark is known as the Chancellor (not to be confused with the Imperial Chancellor, who isn't a Grand Count but instead the Emperor's Stewardship adviser), whilst Boris Todbringer of Middenheim doesn't use the "Grand" prefix at all and is simply known as "The Graf" because he doesn't like the way "Grand Graf" sounds.
And if the Emperor was to split one of the provinces in half, well what's to stop him from doing it again? There are 9 people with very sharp swords who would be happy to stop him from doing that.
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I just checked, and it's ten pages. 257 posts.
I should warn you that I read the thread daily and haven't missed a post in the last 3000~ish pages.
As such, my definition of 'short' may be rather skewed.
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That diagram literally made me spit water, holy shit. I don't know why, but I find this absolutely hilarious. Reminds me of my physics classes; we had a bit if moniker: 'when in doubt, diagram it out.'Steam-wagon capacity is determined through this highly scientific method:
30 per side, 60 per steam-wagon. 60 cows times 750 pounds equals 45 000 pounds.
It's not stupid if it works right? To begin with this question is a bit of an out of context problem. So kudos for resolving it and coming up with an answer.
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I think so. If we know what the items in the grid were, we could extrapolate to what the current situation is by filling in the blanks.
Among the Elector Counts are two Grand Barons, three Grand Counts, one Grand Duke, two Grand Princes, a Graf, a Chancellor, and an Elder. Of the former Electors, Drakwald and Marienburg were Grand Counts, Middenheim* and Talabheim were Grand Dukes (separate to the provinces of Middenland and Talabecland), and Solland was a Grand Baron.
*Technically Middenland is a Grand Duke and Middenheim is a Graf, but the current Elector Count of Middenland uses 'Graf' as his primary title despite it not having an Electoral vote associated with it.
It would spoil too much.
*Technically Middenland is a Grand Duke and Middenheim is a Graf, but the current Elector Count of Middenland uses 'Graf' as his primary title despite it not having an Electoral vote associated with it.
It would spoil too much.
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