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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
 
So one thing about the bodyguard job that's interesting but not talked about.

A prince and the probable emperor is going to be travelling a lot, both in the empire and out of it.

jousting in bretonnia, ballroom dances in kislav, hunts in Tila etc etc.

to being the bodyguard means we will be travelling too.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River

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[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Ambassador-at-Large to the Karaz Ankor
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
PR-STV would be fair.

but it would be cruel to make a GM do that every time.
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Apparently the SV vote counter supports instant runoff. I don't know how it works and how people would have to format their votes though.
FlyingScanian said:
I think this should do for now. Most of all, I want to stay near Vala Azril Ungol, or at least close enough for weekend visits (so, Stirland. If we could have made a relationship work with Anton while we were Loremaster, and did keep up contact with friends in Stirland, we can do it the other way around).

And also, getting that elfcation cleared away in between seems like an excellent short sabbatical.
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I think you misunderstood what this vote is about. It's about what jobs we sniff into to gather information, not what thing we are locking in to do next.
 
One major thing that strikes me, looking back at our time as Loremaster, is how little research we've actually done.

Some stats, drawing from my history of our time as Loremaster linked in my signature:
  • We have spent 13.5 AP on research over the course of 15 turns.
  • Of those 13.5 AP, 9 have been personal AP, and 4.5 have been wizard or duckling half-AP (so 9 actions).
  • The modal amount of research we did on a given turn has been one half-action.
  • There is exactly one turn out of 15 where we spent 2 personal AP on research. Every other turn was 1 or, more frequently, none.
I'm hoping we land on Waystones as our next thing for a lot of reasons, but if we don't, I'm really hoping we pause to do a research sabbatical and just crank through some of our backlog, because this is nuts, especially since our backlog grew during Karag Dum.
 
Chopak said:
That's mathematically not true :)
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nope, it is.

if Boeny had an option of 'if all of them get above a threshold we will look at all' then you would be right.

but that's not happening, this whole vote is about narrowing down the chooses at least a little. (at least 1 option will be dropped)

so because of that, the ladder has value, and changes to that ladder more so.

if all get +1 there is zero movements up or down.

hence the value of voting for all is zero.
 
Rather interesting vote distribution. First and second place both have commendable leads. But beyond that there is barely half a dozen votes between each option. (Not counting the Hereditary Title and miscellaneous stuff at the bottom.) Even 3rd​ to 9th​ jump is less than thirty votes in total!

Wonder how many updates it would take BoneyM to do all nine, if he decides there is enough interest that they all warrant being expanded on?
 
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Some of the possibilities are marked [-]. This signifies there's not really anything to investigate, but they're still listed here for reference purposes.
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Seeing a confusing number of votes for the options where there's nothing to investigate. Are people just wanting to generally register their approval?

picklepikkl said:
One major thing that strikes me, looking back at our time as Loremaster, is how little research we've actually done.

Some stats, drawing from my history of our time as Loremaster linked in my signature:
  • We have spent 13.5 AP on research over the course of 15 turns.
  • Of those 13.5 AP, 9 have been personal AP, and 4.5 have been wizard or duckling half-AP (so 9 actions).
  • The modal amount of research we did on a given turn has been one half-action.
  • There is exactly one turn out of 15 where we spent 2 personal AP on research. Every other turn was 1 or, more frequently, none.
I'm hoping we land on Waystones as our next thing for a lot of reasons, but if we don't, I'm really hoping we pause to do a research sabbatical and just crank through some of our backlog, because this is nuts, especially since our backlog grew during Karag Dum.
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Mathilde's talents are too great to waste in research is the problem. I'm not even joking. And often, research is pretty discouraging. It takes a bunch of actions to get anywhere, and the results are often less spectacular than everyone is hoping.

Is it really worth a bunch of AV research to get the ability to enchant slightly easier, or make cheaper powerstones? Will researching divine magic be worth it if it ends up with say, +1 Magic and a trait that makes dealing with divine magic easier? If Ulgu tongs work, but they end up being a fiddly way to do something alone that could also be done by a couple of wizards working together, is that great?

Doing a research sabbatical also runs into the problem that many of these opportunities won't wait.
 
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Count of Sylvania
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
picklepikkl said:
One major thing that strikes me, looking back at our time as Loremaster, is how little research we've actually done.

Some stats, drawing from my history of our time as Loremaster linked in my signature:
  • We have spent 13.5 AP on research over the course of 15 turns.
  • Of those 13.5 AP, 9 have been personal AP, and 4.5 have been wizard or duckling half-AP (so 9 actions).
  • The modal amount of research we did on a given turn has been one half-action.
  • There is exactly one turn out of 15 where we spent 2 personal AP on research. Every other turn was 1 or, more frequently, none.
I'm hoping we land on Waystones as our next thing for a lot of reasons, but if we don't, I'm really hoping we pause to do a research sabbatical and just crank through some of our backlog, because this is nuts, especially since our backlog grew during Karag Dum.
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What do you count as research. Does it include developing Rite of Way and/or everything related to Queekish? Does it include writing papers?
Jyn Ryvia said:
nope, it is.

if Boeny had an option of 'if all of them get above a threshold we will look at all' then you would be right.

but that's not happening, this whole vote is about narrowing down the chooses at least a little. (at least 1 option will be dropped)

so because of that, the ladder has value, and changes to that ladder more so.

if all get +1 there is zero movements up or down.

hence the value of voting for all is zero.
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It's still not mathematically true. Mathematically true is even harder to achieve than technically the same.

But it definitely is practically true. If someone wants "all the things" they should vote for the bottom half or at least for anything but the top three.
 
Rafin said:
Apparently the SV vote counter supports instant runoff. I don't know how it works and how people would have to format their votes though.

I think you misunderstood what this vote is about. It's about what jobs we sniff into to gather information, not what thing we are locking in to do next.
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I am well aware. Which is why I'm not even bothering to sniff at things that would keep us away.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
you can do as you like.

but that's mathematically the same as not voting.
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Jyn Ryvia said:
but that's not happening, this whole vote is about narrowing down the chooses at least a little. (at least 1 option will be dropped)
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Quite untrue - voting for everything pushes up the proportional number of voters interested in all of the options, which makes the vote more even/flat - and that accomplishes exactly what I want.

Furthermore, Boney deliberately mentioned in the update that there's no set cut-off and what happens will be their decision based on what the vote looks like, which means the idea you're advancing of the vote being about narrowing down the options a little or that at least one option will be cut is flat out bunk that's contradicted by WoQM.
BoneyM said:
- There's no set cut-off points for what will win. I'll decide based on what the final vote looks like. Simply vote for what you like the sound of and want to know more about.
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[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
 
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[x] The Waystone Project
[x] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[x] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
 
GrimTheMad said:
That's kinda odd to say, when magical research is arguably Mathilde's greatest talent.
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I'd say her greatest talent is actually Enchantment, which she has multiple traits and skills to help with. She has no traits particularly related to Research.

Research related to enchanted items and how to create and duplicate them (like that gold arm) is arguably in her wheelhouse, I suppose.
 
me.me.here said:
Quite untrue - voting for everything pushes up the proportional number of voters interested in all of the options, which makes the vote more even/flat - and that accomplishes exactly what I want.

Furthermore, Boney deliberately mentioned in the update that there's no set cut-off and what happens will be their decision based on what the vote looks like, which means the idea you're advancing of the vote being about narrowing down the options a little or that at least one option will be cut is flat out bunk that's contradicted by WoQM.
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oh, in that case
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River

Bit sad my prefered option of wizardry and adventure in the border princes is in 4th place but I can live with waystone project as it may open up the possibilities Malthitide can come up with for cool magic shit and thus more magic wizardry adventure solutions and things like that.
 
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev

Currently approval voting anything that takes us away from Karak Eight Peaks. I want it to be a place we return to between other jobs, not somewhere we refuse to ever leave. We get to learn and see so much just by being in new places, and we've pretty much figured the dwarves out. The irony of not being willing to let go of the past for a better future is not lost on me, but is better appreciated in the abstract.
 
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Ranaldian High Priest of Kislev
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
[X] Governor-General of Swamp Town
 
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