Borek thought that establishing a road to Karad Dum was possible if they haven't fallen.
Actually, could we use this to gain insight into how Divine Magic work?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Borek thought that establishing a road to Karad Dum was possible if they haven't fallen.
Actually, could we use this to gain insight into how Divine Magic work?
I mean, does that have to stop us?
They feel they're doomed. They're already engaged in blasphemy.
We're also already engaged in violating several ethical oaths, and have published papers with information gleaned from a source which could get us tied to a pyre.
I'm not above cutting a backroom deal.
I don't think you're following. Borek walked off because he assumed that the moment we saw Beastmen guarding his hold, and Cor-Dum give him a hug, we'd nope the hell out and no longer want anything to do with his Kharak. That is the message he likely conveyed to the people in the Kharak. Combined that with funny Dwarfen tendencies and ideas about what is and is not dishonorable, and Borek's fatalistic attitude, and I feel that yeah, the Coin gives us a good shot to get through to them.
Did Boney say this? If so, fair enough. If not, I'm inclined to say that's a rather silly take on it.
The Coin is a conduit to Ranald. Ranald is not an idiot. It's like arguing that if we defended K8P from Skaven, only the troops manning the under-defences would become subject to its' effects.
Given that the cult of Thungi would be obliged to kill us yes that should stop us. There is a way back from the College's bad books, not so the Dwarfs'.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The Kurgan think we're part of their Shadow shaman religion, I'd rather not interact with Morghur when we know the Tribes have been fighting him, we're priming people to think we're part of the tribes and he's been killing them. Parlaying with Morghur is exactly the kind of risk I think is a a step or two away from just straight up voting to commit suicide, I know Morghur isn't quite doing what we expect but that's not good enough to vote for what is the next best thing to suicide if he goes hostile.
We don't know enough about this incarnation of Morghur to be able to make anything remotely like a sensible risk assessment, there's one option that could potentially gather information on Morghur semi safely for us personally but it doesn't matter because the dwarves aren't responding to communication attempts.
- Location
- Spain
[X] Approach the Kul camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
[X] Attempt to approach Morghur to see if he can be communicated with
[X] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak with magic
[x] Attempt to infiltrate the Karak without magic
[X] Fortify here and see if anything interesting happens over the next day
From what I've gathered from hunting communities, even in a cold environment a kill is no good after 24 hours. The Expedition can try to experiment with feeding bad meat to their heavy-hitters, but nobody's really keen on the idea.
Summoned ice doesn't last long enough for it to be feasible.
IRL equivalent would be a Shepard tone, renamed because it'd bug me to have something named for an IRL person in a fantasy setting.
It's unlikely that anyone but Mathilde would be able to see the energy at work, let alone identify it.
She knows they exist, but not much more than that. Dealing with them is Kurtis Krammovitch's job.
It's a catch-all for those that want to try to persuade the Karak and those that want to try to charm the Beastmen.
- Location
- Greece
here's the literal description of the action.
It's aimed at both/either. So if a poster's plan is aimed at the beastmen, it holds up.
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- Location
- some computer lab
Just put the knowledge in a sealed box only a skilled runesmith can open, or just send a runesmith down south, it isn't some herculean task if we just talk to them.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I know it's early days but infiltrate with magic is literally the 2nd most dangerous option we have on the list and if we do it and get chaos spawned every one on the expedition probably dies.
- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
I would argue that more than incomplete information we are working with almost none.
Sure we got some info of the way back. But not that much either. ( are there raiders there right now taking steel from the wreck? Who knows? Will the tribes we passed change their mind?...)
That together with the fact we know absolutely nothing of what is in front of us.
Makes people claiming They know what the smart thing is, or safe, etc...
Really anoying.
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They set the knowledge to paper or some other physical medium. That in itself is blasphemy, which we abetted in. It should only be communicated between master and apprentice
- Location
- Finland
I doubt any runesmith, or knowledge from a runesmith, from a Karag that seems to have allied with beastmen, is going to get much study.
You can't be serious.
Yes, Borek, the well known authority on prudent and reasonable courses of action.
- Location
- Spain
We can always just approache the edge of the forest, and scream that we are the Loremaster of K8P, and that we ask audience with the Elders of Karag Dum... If the Dwarfs consider themselves member of Karaz Ankor, they should let up pass.
@BoneyM Wold that be a viable option?
- Location
- Burgundian Netherlands
No, no he most certainly did not.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
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You can, though from what you were told about Beastmen behaviour, going up to the forest and screaming might provoke something of a reaction from them.
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- Burgundian Netherlands
If it's reasonably certain that it won't turn us into a chaos spawn, then yes!
If that still holds true. His 'breaking nearby reality down into pools of madness' thing seems to not be working either.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
Again, yes, but maybe no?
Morghur isn't using his corruption on his enemies (the bones). He isn't using it on his surroundings (the trees). He isn't using it on dwarves. He isn't using it in any way we can detect.
He's also not around right now; we can't see him. He can't be everywhere; his forest encircles a mountain, and the other two fronts have actual Kurgan war-hordes assailing them.
Mathilde is understandably worried about trying it, but to me, that seems to have good odds of success.
And that's just silly.
Honestly so far we've had pretty good results with talking to the Kurgan, and even if that doesn't pan out this time I think our chances of getting away are very good now that I have a better grasp of the positioning. The fact they're an hours walk on the other side of the desert adds up to it taking Mathilde probably only around 15-30 minutes to reach them, or to escape back to the expedition if need be. While still meaning the interaction takes place far enough from Dum to avoid any likely interference.
Right now also seems like the best time to talk with them, based on how the Yusak Shaman talked the testing business is quite a communal thing as long as you stay in your lane, so going over to sort out everyone's boundaries seems a pretty reasonable thing to do.
Right now also seems like the best time to talk with them, based on how the Yusak Shaman talked the testing business is quite a communal thing as long as you stay in your lane, so going over to sort out everyone's boundaries seems a pretty reasonable thing to do.
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
I don't think this Morghur is anything like his tabletop incarnation, but it's interesting to note that Tabletop Morghur has a rule where any beastman he leads gets the Unruly trait.
Unruly units roll a 1d6 every turn, and on a 1 frenzy and charge attack the nearest enemy.
- Location
- some computer lab
Are you saying that dwarves wouldn't try to reclaim a lost karak? because we've got a cushy job and a badass tower that says otherwise. Of course, this is not a short term concern, but the fact that the army of people one way or another we would be sending to their deaths only happens if the dwarves don't all die before they can get around to it does nothing to alleviate the guilt I would feel.I doubt any runesmith, or knowledge from a runesmith, from a Karag that seems to have allied with beastmen, is going to get much study.
You can't be serious.
For sure, that wouldn't be good. Hence why it'd be a backroom deal! Psh, no one needs to know! Just like no one needs to know we went window shopping in Uzkulak!
Speaking personally as a hunter... it really depends. Your immune system plays a big part. If you've eaten frozen, vacuum sealed meat your whole life, and you regularly wash your hands, your immune system is going to be far less hardy than some nutter who lives in the woods and leaves his meat on a drying rack in the elements. Our knights of Taal would probably be able to gamble on meat that's been left out for two days with good odds of nothing worse than feeling slightly queasy as long as they cooked it thoroughly before eating. You can find some time lapse videos of meat decay on youtube which are fairly illustrative.
Animals such as their mounts? 3 days should be fine, not ideal, but fine; anything older than that is rolling the dice unless you doused it in salt or smoked it. Scavengers on the other hand can eat some very nasty stuff with few ill effects.
Thank you, that's what I figured. The effect should propagate to the Dwarfs, if there are any - assuming of course they aren't sufficiently warded against divine effects anyway. Then again, Ranald would probably take that as a challenge.
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[X] Approach the Kvellige camp peacefully and attempt to discuss the Karak with them
I'd prefer to do this first so we can gather information, and thus expand our options. We can find out just what's been happening here and what they know of it's history, but more importantly for us whether using magic turns you into a chaos spawn. If it does, well that's more than off the table, if it doesn't then it unlocks a way to get past the forest with Mathilde's Unseen trait and various traits.
@BoneyM - although maybe having Deathfang carry us over the forest and to the mountain itself would be sufficient, given we have Skyfall and can just bypass it all.
I'd prefer to do this first so we can gather information, and thus expand our options. We can find out just what's been happening here and what they know of it's history, but more importantly for us whether using magic turns you into a chaos spawn. If it does, well that's more than off the table, if it doesn't then it unlocks a way to get past the forest with Mathilde's Unseen trait and various traits.
@BoneyM - although maybe having Deathfang carry us over the forest and to the mountain itself would be sufficient, given we have Skyfall and can just bypass it all.
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No one would kill us if they knew about the shopping, it's not remotely comparable as risks go.
The known factions here are the tribes and Dum. We've turned up with a large and interesting force and they have no reason to be immediately hostile. We don't necessarily need to go to them for diplomacy to occur.
On a different note as you've noted this is likely the only chance we'll get to gain information on what's going on. Determining the divine backer here is very achievable and it seems we're basically guaranteed to determine their signature if we hang around for a bit. Anything else we can gain is gravy.
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