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Why aren't people voting for theory Omega, its vital and explains why Borek is unharmed and Morghur is affectionate.?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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the Empire also hates Skaven, yet somehow we haven't been murdered yet despite dealing with a Skaven, something Algard is aware of at least. Curious how that works out.
Not to mention, people who deal with Norsca are also somehow not murdered.
Could it be that the Empire, or at least some people in the Empire, are pragmatic?
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Ok. Then I want to take that stance. Come hell or high water or all the gods in the world.
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I just find it too implausible. I think the head-stroking is more likely to be about Morghur and FoF detection than something Borek actually accepted.
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Unless your plan is to kidnap one, place them in a cell for the rest of their life to interrogate them for their secrets, i don't think the comparison stands.
Also, we do not advertice we have a skaven in a cell.
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Allied with a beastman demi- What? The leading theories either contradict this point or have the potential to render it partly irrelevant. For all we know, it could be an illusion (I personally don't think that would make any sense for several reasons, but it's a theory). Alternatively, even if the creature we see is allied to the dwarves but/and completely purified of any corruption, that alone renderers the whole negative point of them being allied, not moot per say, but reduced in severity.
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Sure, this is where we take a stance, no matter how many die because of it, no matter how much damage Mathilde being declared a heretic will cause, no matter how many dwarves will go slayer out of shame for working with us.
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We did get some statements from BoneyM that if Mathilde were to take Oaths of Gazul and then shared those secrets we'd be the first priority on the Grudge List. @picklepikkl do you remember where?
Found it.
Dwarves take breaking of Oaths more serious than simply killing them.
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- some computer lab
If even looking to ascertain whether a force is an enemy of Order or not is a lynchable offense, then isn't Mathilde obligated to chop her own head off for buying food at Uzkulak? the whole, looking at the thing we came to look at will doom us, doooooooom, thing seems pretty baseless.
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A: We do not know that
B: We may not be able to convince anyone of it.
C: Borek did not seem to think Karaz Ankor would be ok with what happened here.
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Yes, because if the truth is too much for political leaders to learn even confidentially, then I am joining @Omegahugger . I am willing to accept many lies and necessary evils for the greater good. Not consigning innocent Dawi to heresy though. Making innocents a target is when I draw the line.
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We wouldn't be making them a target for anyone other than Slayers who probably wouldn't reach them anyway. They're unassailable by the forces of order.
I don't want to add an unneeded grudge to the weight the Dawi bear, so I'd support telling the truth if it'll reduce grudges, but not if it'll just get us on the firing line. Which IMO depends on what the truth actually is.
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They are not a target, because nobody can get to them.
If they were in the middle of the empire i would be lot more interested in making certain about things, but as it is, i doubt there is anything we can do either way, or that the empire/Karaz Ankor will do.
Killing dwarfs is a tragedy, twisting rune-lore is an abomination. Dwarfs gave conditions to restore the phoenix crown (ones the elves will never accept but still). In the case of twisting rune lore the only recompense possible is the death of the offending party because if they are not dead they can keep doing it.
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We can't know that. We can't know the situation will always be as it is today. We can't know humanity will never push back chaos. We can't know the Dawi of the fort will never need reinforcements, or to travel to outside, or to become refuges after the fort is destroyed. We can't know hom much such a grudge will hurt the Dawi and to which lengths they'll go to erase it, especially when/if they clear a lot of other grudges. We can't know what damage a single slayer may cause in this instance, what if we get Gotrek 2? And, ultimately, ooc, we do not know what Thorgrimm can do using the network.
Let the Dawi judge that, with full info. Its literally not Mathilde's place to say, only to inform.
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[] THEORY: Karag Dum converted the hold's Rune of Valaya into a Rune of Valaya's Vengeance, which ignites Dhar and protects the user from flames. The resulting explosion blew up the other mountains and created the desert around it. The hot wind we're feeling is the result of that same rune still burning up Dhar - which means that the hold is still without a Rune of Valaya.
I made a theory vote with just the Rune of Valaya's Vengeance bit and dropped the beastman bits, since this part most people seem to agree is likely?
For those who haven't been obsessively following the thread, the rune used to burn Dhar is actually this:
Also, upon going back and editing my vote, I realised I'd put the other version into not my latest vote, so it would never have shown up on the tally. Whoops!
I made a theory vote with just the Rune of Valaya's Vengeance bit and dropped the beastman bits, since this part most people seem to agree is likely?
For those who haven't been obsessively following the thread, the rune used to burn Dhar is actually this:
Which isn't the same thing as a Rune of Valaya. I very much doubt they could make one large enough to create this crater... but they might have been able to convert the hold's huge Rune of Valaya to the other by adding the Rune of the Furnace parts.
Also, upon going back and editing my vote, I realised I'd put the other version into not my latest vote, so it would never have shown up on the tally. Whoops!
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Humanity or anyone else pushing back the Chaos Wastes is so far beyond the scope of this quest it is not even funny. We are at the point of desperately scrambling to keep them from advancing further.
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regardless of whether or not its practical, them getting grudged over a misunderstanding will make them a target of the Karaz Ankor, which risks not only dum dwarves, but also the lives of the more southernly dwarves which march here and try to have a go.
[X] THEORY: Karag Dum converted the hold's Rune of Valaya into a Rune of Valaya's Vengeance, which ignites Dhar and protects the user from flames. The resulting explosion blew up the other mountains and created the desert around it. The hot wind we're feeling is the result of that same rune still burning up Dhar - which means that the hold is still without a Rune of Valaya.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
[x] ACTION: Investigate further.
[X] ACTION: Infiltrate Karag Dum to gather information.
[X] [Action] wait nearby and observe. It shouldn't be nearly as dangerous as it seems, and that allows us to gather additional clues.
[X] ACTION: Gain more information.
[x] ACTION: Investigate further.
[X] ACTION: Infiltrate Karag Dum to gather information.
[X] [Action] wait nearby and observe. It shouldn't be nearly as dangerous as it seems, and that allows us to gather additional clues.
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This doesn't seem to be a misunderstanding though. Borek seems to think Dum has gone too far and everyone can see that they are playing with fire in some way.
Edit: Also they will not march a throng this far and past so many of their enemies. It's just not something they can actually do.
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See, here's the thing, when I am controlling a character, I do not care about the scope of the quest.
I literally avoid stealing things from some people in rpgs because I pity them, even when I know the game is not programmed to make it matter.
Well I hate to tell you this but a dwarf already decided, his name was Borek and upon seeing Morghur he told us to go back and then hugged the thing uncaring of the obvious conclusion we would draw. He believes that whatever they did is as bad or worse than beastmen hugging.
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Not a Dawi, the ruling council and appropriate judges, runelords and councils. THE Dawi
A Dawi judged themselves slayer because they didn't fight hard enough.I won't consign an entire fort to heresy because a Dawi thought like that.
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A: Of course we don't. That's why we need to investigate.
B: Apparently I have a little more faith in our (both Mathilde's IC and the thread's OOC) capabilities than you do.
C: There's a difference between 'not okay' and 'absolutely awful'. The current assumption the dwarves would make is 'absolutely awful'. I'm not saying whatever happened here wasn't just that, but it might well not have been. We'll not know for sure unless we investigate.
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Belegar seemed similarly resigned when Rangers were important to the reclamation, and Borek himself seemed resigned upon hearing about the eye of Gazul, if borek being sad is the end all be all of what constitutes abombinable behavior, Mathilde should break out the red hair dye or skip the theatrics and stab herself to death