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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
This Expedition had three total survivors in canon. Everyone knew what they were getting into.
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all the players who came along with existing knowledge of WHF and/or read every post in the thread, maybe.
Omegahugger said:
Gotrek's knowledge might be irreplaceble, but it isn't irrecoverable.

If we can't identify his exact body, we'll just have to raise all of them.
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i don't think raising him as an undead is going to lead to him passing on that knowledge. dwarves aren't exactly very pragmatic people...
 
This... I don't have words. It's such a shock.

Such a sad, senseless, sudden death. It feels like a punch to the gut.

And what a way to end a pleasant evening of drinking. This certainly killed my pleasant tequila buzz.

Kudos to the qm on the quality of writing this entails, but man I think I'll need a bit.
 
94000130FFF70000 said:
all the players who came along with existing knowledge of WHF and/or read every post in the thread, maybe.
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Even solely reading the story updates showed people knew it was incredibly risky.

[X] Press on

This was rough, but turning around right here doesn't really increase the safety margin by much, which isn't even the primary consideration of the expedition to begin with. So let's try to make sure it ends up worth it.
 
[X] Press on
BoneyM said:
They'd be very uninclined to take risks with the steam-wagons with the Dwarf who knew them best gone.
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Fair. Are they sufficiently uninclined to take risks to accept Umgi zhuf assistance with an eye to reducing the potential issues of trying to keep going? Artificial expertise now being their least awful available option if things go even more unaccording to plan.
 
Losing a character like this sucks. Especially one you knew your first Warhammer Fantasy books.

Though, imagine if it were Borek we lost instead. The question of whether to continue on or not would take a whole different form, then. And people feeling like they'd need to continue on and succeed, in his name. Or, alternatively, feeling that they should turn back because the sole Dum noble is dead. Or willing to turn back, but feeling shitty and shameful the entire way.

Or how Mathilde would be feeling if Ljiljana's steam-wagon was the one lost; thus Mathilde being unable to fulfill the payment the Kislevites asked. And then having that hang over here when she returned. How to make it up to the Kislevites? Or, not make it up at all, and they just write it off as 'Well, we tried, but, our Ice Witch died...'

And if it were the Volans, then we would have lost three-fourths of the Wizards.

As is, instead, we lost 'only' 16 people and 2 weeks of food. As the Slayers were already dead. And Deathfang and Asarnil made it off.

We could have lost a lot more people, a lot more suddenly, and we could have had a lot more awkward -- for the expedition or for Mathilde -- named-character loss consequences too.
94000130FFF70000 said:
and of course, because dwarves don't fucking pass on their knowledge, he was irreplacable.
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I mean, that's also because he's the best Engineer around here. =/ To use a comparison, imagine if all the Wizards here were Ulgu Wizards; Mathilde would still be the only one with Rite of Way, and if she croaked none of the others would be able to cast it.

But in the sense of 'Nobody will be able to make steam-wagons quite like these afterwards', yes that's true. Sad but true. (Though again, how much of that is due to Dwarfs not passing on knowledge, and how much of that is simply due to... well... some people simply being more skilled and better than others, and other people not being as good as that?) (Plus, we don't know that Gotrek wouldn't have been willing to take a student and pass his skills on at some point. He might just have been waiting for any kids he had, to grow up old enough to be able to start learning.)
 
I think some people misunderstand the problem. Yes, we can get food from the Dolgan if we press forward, but the issue is carrying capacity. If we turn back now, we have a three week trek back to Kislev with only two weeks of food supplies. If we go to Karag Dum and don't find an intact dwarf hold, then we will have a four week journey back, still with at most two weeks of food.

I am not sure what to do, but we should understand the danger.
 
This death feels like a real punch to the gut with all the dice going poorly, between the fall happening, the severity of the fall, Gotrek personal survival roll, and the search and rescue roll all failing. In spite of this or maybe because of it feels seriously real and visceral in a way you just don't see in fiction too often.

We pretty much have to press on though, both as the in-character choice and the actual chance of making it.
[X] Press on
 
[X] Press on

So.... don't want to be that dude.(this is a lie)

but who said that it would be the environment that would be the real killer of the Expedition? again and again despite the nay sayers?
Admittedly, I was thinking more chaos'y environmentally dangers, but still.

(Jyn smug levels have risen to level 4: mild background smug)
 
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