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It took the dwarves hundreds of years to mount the current expedition, there apparently just isn't the political will to send throngs after fallen holds anymore after so many military disasters.

Pretty sure that the current expedition is the best chance any surviving dwarves are going to get.

Because Dum is in chaos lands. Belegar's expedition got a lot of support both in quest and in canon (though canon had the support be more spaced out and less effective).


Karak Vlag is on the border between civilisation and hostile territory. It isn't prime real estate but it can be reasonably reached which will make it an attractive target for reclamation.
 
@BoneyM, can Mathilde or any of the Dwarves make a guess at how long the watchtowers and road have been unmaintained based off their condition? Not the most reliable way of determining time distortion but better than nothing.

They could try, but not knowing the conditions they've spent that time in, that number would be essentially meaningless. Was there weather there? Temperature fluctuations? Does temperature even meaningfully exist there? Was time linear?
 
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Stelth.

Ranald : I approve of stealing from other gods, but quietly pickpocketing might be more on brand than metaphorically punching them in genitals when they don't expect it and then going through their pockets, no?

I think he would be willing to make an exception when it comes to chaos.
 
Well the most obvious failure point is we clog the waystone and Vlag just sits there in the warp unable to be toggled out. It might be that we need to clog the waystone when Vlag is back in real space so it's left stuck here.
... You're right. The waystone was still connected while shifted out. Worst case should be that it can't shift back, and can do so once the clog is removed.
 
They could try, but not knowing the conditions they've spent that time in, that number would be essentially meaningless. Was there weather there? Temperature fluctuations? Does temperature even meaningfully exist there? Was time linear?
I was just hoping for an order of magnitude estimate like a year, a decade, a century, a millennium, somehow newer than brand new. If it's an extreme like a year or millennium we can be sure some level of time shenanigans is going on inside.
 
Someone please remind me how we noticed what Teclis didn't, even if he was a lot younger?
Teclis was looking at it while the area was still saturated with magic , making it much harder to see, and when he was looking at it, stone being an excellent insulator of magic would actually explain why he wasn't seeing anything, since Vlag's Waystone had been missing for like a month rather than 200 years. Also, as a user of High Magic, he cannot possibly be as good at twisting his thoughts in knots as us, since that would prevent him from using high magic. Remember our soul is at least some percent confusion by volume.
 
I was just hoping for an order of magnitude estimate like a year, a decade, a century, a millennium, somehow newer than brand new. If it's an extreme like a year or millennium we can be sure some level of time shenanigans is going on inside.

The same could also mean that the conditions on the other side dramatically change the amount of aging that stone experiences. If there's no wind, no weather, no temperature fluctuations, and no traffic, that would look a lot like no time has passed. If it's very turbulent and chaotic on the other side, that would look like a lot of time has passed. There's no meaningful conclusions that can be drawn.

Is there anything interesting in the towers (Dawi bodies, weapons, signs of fighting)?

No, nothing.
 
just pointing out that lore beats TT.
Gilles le Breton built his legend and his country on the premise that a guy on a horse with a pointy stick and a bunch of peasants with bows mattered in fights against dragons. Not even they have arrow-proof eyeballs, or pointy-stick-proof scales.

He didn't become any sort of Grail Knight for twenty years after; that was all mundane effort.

The lore says that humans matter.
Someone please remind me how we noticed what Teclis didn't, even if he was a lot younger?
A detective finding a well-preserved body on a slab is told that they've been dead for two hours. That makes sense, so he leaves.

A junior detective finds a well-preserved body on a slab, and is told that they've been dead for two hundred years. That's obviously foul play.
 
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Assuming everything goes well, I wonder if the Protector will gain us rep not only with the hypothetical survivors of Vlag, but also with Kislev? We would have just gotten rid of a Karak's worth of daemons on their metaphorical doorstep.

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For a moment you're torn between bluffing and standing, but in the end you decide against ceding the initiative to whatever is you're facing.
Missing Word: whatever (it) is you're facing.
behind you Rangers shout and swear as the boulders and outcroppings they were taking cover behind move or disappaer.
Typo: disappaer -> disappear
before you send her sprawling with a strike from the pummel.
Typo: pummel -> pommel

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The most expedient option: doing something to stop the constant flow of magic to Karak Vlag and disrupt whatever Chaos is doing there, while continuing on to Karag Dum so we're not unduly delayed.
 
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Gilles le Breton built his legend and his country on the premise that a guy on a horse with a pointy stick and a bunch of peasants with bows mattered in fights against dragons. Not even they have arrow-proof eyeballs, or pointy-stick-proof scales.

He didn't become any sort of Grail Knight for twenty years after; that was all mundane effort.

The lore says that humans matter.
While I agree that humans are by no means helpless in Warhammer, I'd caution about using Gilles as an example of things for the same reasons I'd caution against using Sigmar or Settra. Even absent direct magical intervention, heroes of that caliber are hardly representative of the typical person.
 
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Ranald doesn't work that way. He's a trickster, not a fortune teller.
We're just asking our partner where the lady is being hidden so we can get an angry mob to run the local landlord who is running a crooked three card monte game out of town. Totally in his wheelhouse, honest!

do you think Ranald bought it?
 
While I agree that humans are by no means helpless in Warhammer, I'd caution about using Gilles as an example of things for the same reasons I'd caution against using Sigmar or Settra. Even absent direct magical intervention, heroes of that caliber are hardly representative of the typical person.
It was nameless shopkeeper #3 who blinded the thing, not Gilles. There was nothing supernatural or especially skillful about those arrows, and if the dragon had caught two of them in its anatomy-approved arrow catchers it would at least have gone home and had a long think about things; for the purposes of the tabletop, it'd no longer be a combatant, which is the gist of the argument.
 
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