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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I refuse to muck about with Waystones. This is definitely a problem but it's also a problem that isn't going anywhere. We can come back later with a proper force to take care of it.
 
Look on the bright side. This likely means that we won't have to carry the slayers the whole way. We can fill where they were staying with extra supplies.
 
NexusEye said:
I'm on team Waystone Clog but I'd like to note that its success is predicated on certain assumptions, namely that Slaanesh hasn't diverted some of the Waystone energy into a reserve just in case something blocks off its power supply, to be spent to either to keep Vlag in the Warp or to keep the Daemons from dissolving long enough to solve whatever's causing the problem. It doesn't have to be long, even a few months would be enough to outlast the Expedition or hunt it down and eliminate it. In addition there is a strong possibility that Slaanesh already knows of all the Waystone locations along the Karag Dum-Karak Vlag route and could search through the sites relatively quickly to find the blockage. I still think it's worth a shot but we should be ready to bug out fast if things don't go as planned and either try again at a Waystone closer to Karag Dum or wait until after the expedition entirely and do it with a full Throng and Kislevite army backing us up.
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It took the dwarves hundreds of years to mount the current expedition, there apparently just isn't the political will to send throngs after fallen holds anymore after so many military disasters.

Pretty sure that the current expedition is the best chance any surviving dwarves are going to get.
 
Garlak said:
You know... something I don't get. (Unable to keep up with the thread, and 20 pages in under 3 hours is ridiculous speed anyway, so.)

If all it takes is a warpstone clog to disable this, then, why hasn't it happened already?

That is to say. You'd expect that to possibly happen naturally, right, given the Chaos Wastes having moved forward more and there not being available maintenance for all these decades. Or, perhaps even more likely... if this is a Slaanesh thing then, like, why hasn't some Tzeentchian or Khornate dude tried to ruin it? And the easiest way to do so would be to just despoil a waystone north of Karak Vlag. That way you can despoil a waystone and spite a rival god's ambition.

Hell, why hasn't some Random Chaos Warband just despoiled the vulnerable waystones north of Vlag? If the reason is due to Chaos coordinating, or Chaos Undivided, then... I guess that'd work. And would explain why temporarily stoppering it might be a thing they might not like.

On the other hand, I am just not liking this thought. What is all that energy really being used for? And what would happen if it were stoppered? ... Aaargh. And yet, if it did work, then... then it would mean Karak Vlag suddenly popping back into existence. (Unless it finally dooms Karak Vlag for good, that is. In fact, maybe Karag Dum sending energy south has been the only thing keeping Vlag semi-tethered to this reality at all, able to be pulled back in at times and thus needing to be hidden and stealthily camouflaged with all-stone-everywhere. Double argh.)
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I think because 'all we have to do is clog it' is really, really, really underselling how tricky of a process it is.

1: chaos and chaos alined probably can't do it except in rare circumstances like what happened to Vlag. the waystones were created as literally middle fingers to the dark gods.

2: mathy can only really even come up with the idea because she is one of the most educated individuals in the word, and is in a job where she has access to rare and hidden knowledge on the subject. (high ranking wizard and loremaster)

3: even with all that, its going to be a near-impossible roll for anything below 7 magic (so, most everyone.)
 
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[X] Waystone Clog

[X] Waystone Interruption

Stelth.

Ranald : I approve of stealing from other gods, but quietly pickpocketing might be more on brand than metaphorically punching them in genitals when they don't expect it and then going through their pockets, no?
 
And there's the possibility that
1. We botch it.
2. Vlag is forever lost in the immaterium.

I still endorse the clog though.
 
Varano said:
There is no point in doing this right now as opposed to later with a bunch of Wizard Lords helping
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Favor costs, ability to get a bunch of wizard lords to travel 1000 miles to poke it, the defenders might not be able to hold out that long, good luck hiring Asarnil to come back to where he just came from, leaving a Chaos portal intact for any longer than necessary is arguably against the articles of magic.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I think because 'all we have to do is clog it' is really, really, really underselling how tricky of a process it is.

1: chaos and chaos alined probably can't do it except in rare circumstances like what happened to Vlag. the waystomes were created as literally middle fingers to the dark gods.

2: mathy can only really even sagest it because she is one of the most educated individuals in the word, and is in a job were she has access to rare and hidden knowledge on the subject. (high ranking wizerd and loremaster)

3: even with all that, its going to be a near-impossible roll for anything below 7 magic (so, most everyone.)
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Clogging waystones is actually 'relatively' easy, it's done by necromancers and other nefarious dhar using types for easy access to large amounts of dhar or warpstone and it's not 'that' rare. Blocking a waystone is easier than redirecting the energy in other ways. You're drastically overestimating the difficulty of this.


Asheram said:
And there's the possibility that
1. We botch it.
2. Vlag is forever lost in the immaterium.

I still endorse the clog though.
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Well the most obvious failure point is we clog the waystone and Vlag just sits there in the warp unable to be toggled out. It might be that we need to clog the waystone when Vlag is back in real space so it's left stuck here.
 
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@BoneyM, can Mathilde or any of the Dwarves make a guess at how long the watchtowers and road have been unmaintained based off their condition? Not the most reliable way of determining time distortion but better than nothing.
 
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