Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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6) ...you know, it occurs to me that if Tsu was allied sufficiently to the Nomads that they remember to this day, is it possible that a faction of the Weilu civil war left to join the nomads? Or possibly, that the Ancestor didn't leave, but got killed and covered up?
So to note, this was confirmed to have happened Pre-Imperial days. The Horned Lord was still around after Sage Emperor. While we don't know if the one Batu broke horns with was actually the Sublime himself (he could've fought with some horned Weilu white, I will say though that just cause he shattered a horn does not necessarily mean he was killed.

Also a Sublime getting killed would've left a way bigger geographical landscape mark. aka it would've been obvious that.
 
Don't the Nomads have some legend about Father Sky chucking a star down to earth because the Dragon Gods were being douchebags? I assume that he would have been the child of that star.

Found it:
"Perhaps," he agreed, the grin fading from his tone. "But… I have spent many long hours watching and infiltrating the Cloud Tribes," he said gravely. "There is an old tale, which they speak of in the same way that we do our Fishers, Diviners, and Conquerors. They say that, pitying the plight of the men who toiled under the dragons, Father Sky summoned the brightest star in the sky, his daughter, to free them of their bondage. Before the star, the artifice and mighty works of the dragons crumbled like dust. When the dragons fell, the star elected to remain on earth and took a husband from among the freed tribes, she bore a son who would be their first leader. However, while the star was the daughter of Father Sky, she was not born of Mother Earth, and so they and their descendants be denied the blessings of earth and live their lives in the Sky and the Mountains."
So yeah, Starson is literally the son of the star.
 
Different moral codes. Taoism has various degrees of deviation, but killing, robbing, and all that are not supposed to be sins under the system in their own right, though they strongly suggest that the individual has gone disharmonious.

Very much not. Renxiang LOOKS the part, but she lacks equanimity. The ideal is to be as much an instrument of fate as the weather, to perform your role with no intent, judgement or passion.

Renxiang cares too much.

1) Nameless Father
2) Starson. The Imperial form has it as Nameless Parents -> Sun/Moon, but the Cloud Nomads include a third?
3) Sounds like a Sun aspect
4) Hi Tsu! It sounds like Tsu didn't discover the seasons so much as found the embodiments of each season and persuaded them to take turns rather than hold their season supreme in their territories, thus letting them ALL have more territory and save effort.
5) Hidden Moon!
6) ...you know, it occurs to me that if Tsu was allied sufficiently to the Nomads that they remember to this day, is it possible that a faction of the Weilu civil war left to join the nomads? Or possibly, that the Ancestor didn't leave, but got killed and covered up?

Empire: "The Nomads have no Whites"
Nomads: "Goes to show what you know. Hard is not impossible."
Well the Empire isn't exactly wrong here. The last Sky/Eighth realm sounds like they came before the Empire was even founded (although the wording is a bit ambiguous), and while 7th realms aren't quite as rare as the Empire believes, ones that reach 7th realm at a young enough age to accomplish anything are. If I had to guess I'd say it sounds like the Cloud Tribes used to be able to produce cultivators of similar quality to the other pre-imperial civilizations, but the imperial way of doing things is genuinely more efficient than most if not all of the older methods.

Between the empire's formation locking them out of lands to the north and west they once travelled to for trade and/or pillaging, further imperial expansion into their territories draining their resources, constantly losing a lot of their best talents early in battles against a militarily superior foe, and all that further weakening them against other neighbors and environmental threats like the Crone I'd say the Cloud tribes are in a steady downward spiral, if things continue this way they might not even be able to reliably produce 6th realms in another 5-10,000 years. They can either get lucky enough to get an 8th realm when the Empire is in the middle of a civil war, radically change their society, or get conquered/wiped out.
 
There is no reason to assume that the nomads have anymore accurate recollection of the past than the empire.
So i would take any of their tales with as much salt as i would the official histories of the empire.
 
Well the Empire isn't exactly wrong here. The last Sky/Eighth realm sounds like they came before the Empire was even founded (although the wording is a bit ambiguous), and while 7th realms aren't quite as rare as the Empire believes, ones that reach 7th realm at a young enough age to accomplish anything are. If I had to guess I'd say it sounds like the Cloud Tribes used to be able to produce cultivators of similar quality to the other pre-imperial civilizations, but the imperial way of doing things is genuinely more efficient than most if not all of the older methods.
I will confirm once again that Batu, the last Sky, happened during Pre-Imperial days when Horned Lord was still an active combatant.
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Yrsillar09/17/2020 yeah timeline should be assumed to be myth-y except for batu obviously
Pipeman09/17/2020 Do we know when Batu happened in the empire/Emerald Seas timeline?
Yrsillar09/17/2020 sometime during the period where the horned lord was an active combatant so pre-imperial

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The order is pretty messy between the 3rd, 4th, and 5th Sky. The order of Father Sky, Starson, and Batu should probably be assumed to be correct.
 
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There is no reason to assume that the nomads have anymore accurate recollection of the past than the empire.
So i would take any of their tales with as much salt as i would the official histories of the empire.
Not sure why you're pointing this out to me? My whole point was that the Empire is mostly right about their current quality of cultivation, whatever legendary champions they may once have had. And if those legends are inaccurate, then it's unlikely that said champions were actually stronger than their descendants believe. Legends generally exaggerate rather than understate.
 
Not sure why you're pointing this out to me? My whole point was that the Empire is mostly right about their current quality of cultivation, whatever legendary champions they may once have had. And if those legends are inaccurate, then it's unlikely that said champions were actually stronger than their descendants believe. Legends generally exaggerate rather than understate.
I'm not?
I'm just pointing that there's no way to figure out what really happened based on imperial records (that have almost certainly been edited or destroyed by various emperors), or the oral traditions of cloud nomads (which will subject to linguistic drift, personal bias and just people forgetting shit and trying to patch holes the best they can).
 
The Sixth Sky is Wroth Batu, Lord of War. Who lead the first host of the people to war, and beat back the Children of Trees. Glory to him, who shattered the Stag Lord's Horns! Glory to him, who kept the People free.

One thing, at this moment I immediately thought in the Stag God, not the Horned lord... What do you think?
Especially because Lord is capitalized like God and for the Horned lord, Yrsillar writes the L in lower case...

From "Bonus: The Great Diviner" in Royal Road:

"Yet it could not be, for it is the nature of humankind, firstborn of Those-Who-Were to grow and rule. The Gods notice came first in small things. The Cloud People made pacts with the red maned horses of the Wall, and the hill folk and the wolves of the southwest made their peace, and this did irk the Wolf God and the Stag God, upon whose dominion they infringed.

Yet it was Tsu and his people who truly gained their ire, for they changed the land upon which they lived, making it strange and alien to beasts. Yet even this was not enough to unite the fractitious Gods ire.

It was the union of the descendants of Tsu and the Horned lord which did that. The Stag God, already viewing the Horned Lord as a rival, saw in the birth of the first generations of the Weilu a plot for his power. At last stirred to full wrath, he came and the forest shook with the beat of hooves."
 
One thing, at this moment I immediately thought in the Stag God, not the Horned lord... What do you think?
Especially because Lord is capitalized like God and for the Horned lord, Yrsillar writes the L in lower case...

From "Bonus: The Great Diviner" in Royal Road:

"Yet it could not be, for it is the nature of humankind, firstborn of Those-Who-Were to grow and rule. The Gods notice came first in small things. The Cloud People made pacts with the red maned horses of the Wall, and the hill folk and the wolves of the southwest made their peace, and this did irk the Wolf God and the Stag God, upon whose dominion they infringed.

Yet it was Tsu and his people who truly gained their ire, for they changed the land upon which they lived, making it strange and alien to beasts. Yet even this was not enough to unite the fractitious Gods ire.

It was the union of the descendants of Tsu and the Horned lord which did that. The Stag God, already viewing the Horned Lord as a rival, saw in the birth of the first generations of the Weilu a plot for his power. At last stirred to full wrath, he came and the forest shook with the beat of hooves."
That is likely a typo as in the last paragraph Horned Lord is written both ways. 'Horned Lord' and 'Horned lord'.
 
Different moral codes. Taoism has various degrees of deviation, but killing, robbing, and all that are not supposed to be sins under the system in their own right, though they strongly suggest that the individual has gone disharmonious.

This is absolutely not the case. Taoist morality is not some strange orange and blue system of morality - and, in fact, outside of the core ideals of wu wei and the three treasures, there are an additional five set of precepts governing ethical action. These are basically the same as the ethical framework within budhism - don't kill, don't steal, etc - which is to be expected. Basically every single religious philosophy generated by an organized state based society includes these types of teachings because, whether deliberate or not, these teachings are developed around the idea of what a stable society looks like.
 
IIRC there was a fable where a bunch of starving people are begging for fruit from a government official and said official refuses to give it to them, citing the law. A Taoist monk puts on a brief magic show that makes it look like fruit is coming from nowhere and everyone is amazed. After everyone leaves, the official realizes that all the fruit is gone but its too late to do anything.

In other words Taoism insists that you shouldn't let the law get in the way of helping people who need it. Which is a pretty standard doctrine in a lot of religions, really.

Of course this is really simple "stories told to children" level theology. Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism all have far more to them than can be communicated in a few forum posts. I'd be cautious about using pop-culture as the only lens with which to understand a religion, you'll just get a distorted view. Of course only studying the formal theology will also miss a lot of nuance...

Religion is complicated.
 
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Sublime probably. White's have a lifespan of 1000 years and Crone has been kicking for a long time. Unless there was an entire family of Crones but it seems unlikely.

Pure Spirits or Spirit Beasts are not bound by the same 1000 years limitations as humans. If the Crone is a Spirit than she could have lived for a long enough time even if she's 'merely' a white tier being.
 
Turn 11: Arc 2-4
Ling Qi hummed thoughtfully. She had never studied much of the Sun, she knew of the dawn aspect, which was similar enough to the Dreaming Moon.

"It's really not," Sixiang grumbled. "There are important differences you know! We are creation and art for its own sake! The artist expressing their inner world into the waking one. Those guys are all about showing off to other people."

<I'm sure you're not biased at all,> Ling Qi thought dryly. <What are the other sun aspects anyway?>

Sixiang made a show of grumbling further. "Dawn, Rising, Zenith, Falling, and Dusk. Th-"

"Miss Ling, are you well?" Gan Guangli's concerned voice interrupted.

Ling Qi blinked, realizing that she had fallen silent for a long moment. "Sorry about that, I was conversing with Sixiang. I don't usually get lost like that any more."

"I understand," Gan Guangli chuckled. "Though my own companion is a taciturn one! I hope you will not fault my lack of introduction."

"Not at all," Ling Qi replied. She knew Gan was keeping his spirits existence quiet. Revealing it in front of so many eyes would pretty much guarantee that was lost, no malice among the onlookers needed. "Can I ask what aspect they are?"

Their conversation at least was screened from eavesdroppers.

"Jinzha is of the Rising Sun," Gan Guangli said cheerfully, his booming voice lowered somewhat. "I could not ask for a more valorous companion."

"Could be worse I guess," Sixiang muttered. "Least he's not Zenith. Rising is patron of soldiers, all about personal excellence and self improvement. Pushy bunch."

Ling Qi was glad she didn't need to ask the question, it definitely made her look smarter. "That certainly suits you."

They had reached the front lines of the work crews now, and here Zhengui stopped. "Big Sister, Gui needs to start talking again," her little brother cut in, pointing his head toward a copse of trees standing atop a rocky hill, which the river poured down in a burbling spray.

Ling Qi cocked her head to the side, considering the auras of the land ahead. There was already a disciple there, performing placation ceremonies to the river spirit, smoothing the jagged edges of the energies flowing through the valley. In the trees and plant life, she read stubborn defiance.

Part of her wanted to insist on helping, but was that really for the best here? Zhengui had been successful before, barring a handful of exceptions.

In the end there was only one reasonable thing to do. "Okay. Do you want me to stay and help? I'm not busy right now."

"I Zhen would be pleased with Sister's help," he agreed eagerly.

"Yes!" Gui agreed cheerfully.

"Alright, you take the lead. Let me see how you handle it," Ling Qi said. She was glad he hadn't denied her.

She glanced to the left, and saw Gan Guangli watching her with a thoughtful expression. "Do you have any objections?" She asked, raising an eyebrow.

"None at all Miss Ling," Gan Guangli denied. "It is a pleasure to work with you again."


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It had been a relaxing afternoon, negotiating with the spirits of the valley. The Sect's planners had easily worked her into things. As it turned out they were quite good at wrangling highly individual volunteers. Who would have thought?

...She really didn't credit Zhengui enough sometimes. She had not really had to do much, not really. At least with spirits closer to his own nature, he was better than her, in some ways. In the not-words used to communicate with inhuman spirits his own instincts served where she needed the lessons of an art.

That wasn't to say she hadn't helped, that her songs had not soothed temperamental spirits and given him more leeway to speak, but somehow in the back of her mind, she had still been expecting to be more necessary. There was something to ponder in that.

Ling Qi opened her eyes, letting the cycling of the qi in her dantian still. She sat atop the cushion-hill of Sixiang's realm, looking over the spirit's sea of colors. In the noise and motion of the Sect's warcamps, it was quite a useful cultivation aid, since she couldn't stray too far up the looming hills and cliffs to find natural silence and starlight.

"Are you almost ready?" she asked the empty air.

"Getting there," echoed Sixiang's voice, from everywhere and nowhere. The glittering rainbow stars winked and blinked down at her. "Zhengui's almost through. You can head down to the shore."

Ling Qi nodded absently, and with a thought she was there, standing ankle deep in the cool 'water'. As she watched, the rippling waves began to bubble and churn a hundred odd meters out. From the multihued waters, land emerged, black and fertile, bare of life, first a great hill in the center, and then plains spreading around.

Dull spikes erupted from the earth, followed by a fiery hiss, dirt glowed and melted, and a serpentine head punched through, the shell rose, and blunt limbs churned the dirt, dragging Zhengui up and into the realm.

"Welcome, little brother," Ling Qi said, resting her hand on his head, brushing away stray dirt. The shoreline was far behind them now, and the waters around the new island rippled, turning white as the landmasse began to move, leaving the shore behind.

"This is kinda weird," Gui said slowly peering around.

"Is the Sixiang sure we are not all the way into the Dreamplace," Zhen asked flicking his tongue warily.

"We aren't going in deep," Ling Qi said soothingly. "This place is just Sixiang."

Gui's eyes narrowed in concentration. "But if Gui is in Sixiang, who is in Sister, and Sister and Zhengui are in Sixiang, how does…"

"Don't think about it too hard, yeah?" Sixiang chuckled, their face shining down from the moon. "Doesn't do anybody any good."

"Agreed," Ling Qi said. There was a time for thinking about the actual mechanics of liminal movement and location, but she wasn't in the mood for a headache right now. "Are you ready to get to work today?"

"I have had many ideas," Zhen said. "I, Zhen think that it has been good to get away from the Sect."

"Oh, why is that?" Ling Qi asked curiously.

"Gui has not paid much attention at other times, but the Sect is weird," Gui said thoughtfully as they began to walk toward the sailing islands shore. "Um, it is…"

"Artificial," Zhen said. He looked proud of his vocabulary.

"You really think so?" Ling Qi said, furrowing her brows. "The Sect is definitely more ordered, but it's still wild enough."

"Gui does not think it is like the human homes," her little brother disagreed. "But it is not wild either. Gui thinks…"

"There is no room, for I, Zhen to be," his other half said. "Outside, there are such places."

Ling Qi was silent for a moment. It came back to the little things. She had seen the small idol in the families shrine, and the mention of the villages he had protected. Zhengui was really not an average spirit beast. "Well, we won't be at the Sect forever."

"Yes, then Sister and Gui can make a place for grandmother and little sister and Hanyi too," Gui agreed. He seemed to hesitate at the end, and Ling Qi shot him a concerned look.

"...Is that what Sister wants though?" Zhen asked quietly.

"What do you mean?" Ling Qi asked.

"Gui just wonders why Sister is doing this sometimes. Gui worries that she is just humoring him," he said, looking out over into the water.

Ling Qi frowned, feeling a pang in her chest. She wasn't humoring him, she wanted to do this. Because...

[] He was her little brother, and she wanted to work on something as equals. (Combination technique route)
[] Because she wanted him to be happy, and she wanted to be part of that. (Tech alteration route)

AN: Here we go. It's time to vote on where the mechanical rewards of this route are going. The first choice will lead to unlocking combinations with Zhengui, the second will lead to eventually altering one or more arts to better fit Zhengui's themes, who will alter some of his techniques as well.
 
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[] He was her little brother, and she wanted to work on something as equals. (Combination technique route)

Glorious cooperation!
 
The first choice will lead to unlocking combinations with Zhengui, the second will lead to eventually altering one or more arts to better fit Zhengui's themes, who will alter some of his techniques as well.
the second will lead to eventually altering one or more arts to better fit Zhengui's themes, who will alter some of his techniques as well.
oh boy

oh boy

after a bunch of pretty chill votes, this one is gonna be intense, I think.
 
Also I can instantly tell this is not gonna be a very pleasant vote.

hmmm

[] He was her little brother, and she wanted to work on something as equals. (Combination technique route)

I'm leaning towards this one atm
 
[] He was her little brother, and she wanted to work on something as equals. (Combination technique route)
[] Because she wanted him to be happy, and she wanted to be part of that. (Tech alteration route)
 
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[] He was her little brother, and she wanted to work on something as equals. (Combination technique route

This feels more like a brother.

[] Because she wanted him to be happy, and she wanted to be part of that. (Tech alteration route)

While this one feels more like a smoll son.
 
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