It's a mystery to the nomads. Presumably because none of them saw the battle and afterwards they were too busy running away to investigate.
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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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TimEd
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So when was Ogodei's death mentioned in canon again? I wanna see who the main actors were.
I don't remember where it was mentioned, but it was the Sect Master and all his buddies who did it. And most of them died.
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This is interesting, and leads me to wonder if the possible divergent means of cultivation between cultures may be amplifying the dislike for Imperial ways... beyond the natural threat a seated expansionist empire poses towards nomadic cultures.
Well, we've seen that when the Imperials advance, they essentially rewrite the geomancy of the land to suit them rather than what it was originally. If the Cloud Tribe (as seen in the Cloud Tribe prologue / interlude) feels that the Mother Mountains is their home, changing the natural geomancy seems pretty blasphemous.
Details mostly through wog.
Basically Yuan He got together a gang of cool kids and they pulled some shenanigans to get Ogodei alone and then ganged up on him and killed him. And most of them died.
iirc Elder Hua was one of the survivors?
If I recall correctly, Yuan He and his sect buddies lured Ogodei out alone then dog piled him.
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Yeah and most (if not all. not sure.) of his friends died in that battle.
Predicting the future:
The true seventh sky is BardBarian.
It will be an epic tale of music battles and love where he tries to seduce that enemy bard who is actually a "niece" of the Fifth Sky.
The true seventh sky is BardBarian.
It will be an epic tale of music battles and love where he tries to seduce that enemy bard who is actually a "niece" of the Fifth Sky.
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Interesting reference to traitor stars, and to the 'toxins' of the lowlanders. It's interesting to me that all three groups- the underground, the empire, and the cloud tribes- have toxins and toxic places as part of their backstory. Empire says toxins are in the sky and below the ground, sun and moon protect the surface. Underground seems to work with the environment down there, but finds the surfacers toxic. And now we get a reference to lowlanders 'toxins in the land'.
Especially in terms of the corruption below and the poison that drove a mountain mad, this is interesting to me. Are the underground and cloud tribe 'toxins' compatible or identical? Is it the Empire that is out of line with the earth, or is this remnants of the oldest battles still finding champions?
Especially in terms of the corruption below and the poison that drove a mountain mad, this is interesting to me. Are the underground and cloud tribe 'toxins' compatible or identical? Is it the Empire that is out of line with the earth, or is this remnants of the oldest battles still finding champions?
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This doesn't look like the main story, so shouldn't this be in sidestories or something?
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To be named the true seventh sky, one must beat back the empire from the hills.
I find this doubtful, when Shenhua is on the helm of defending that.
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lol
seventh sky isn't really in this quest's purview, I don't think. it's Ling Qi's story, and her story is one of the Empire, ushering in Cai Renxiang's vision wherever she can.
seventh sky isn't really in this quest's purview, I don't think. it's Ling Qi's story, and her story is one of the Empire, ushering in Cai Renxiang's vision wherever she can.
Resonant
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Gonna point out my observations:
To reach Prism, either the Dragon Horse that Ogodei tamed was a prime specimen of its type or they managed to grow past their growth cap, maybe through Ogodei opening the Skyson's Vault and gaining insight there.
Then it said Ogodei hunted a Dragon King which was "kin of the Old Gods" so I'm guessing the Starson actually hunted Dragon Gods and Beast Gods back when they still ruled the land. Fits with their nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle too, raiding the nascent Spirit Beast Kingdoms.
Anyways, it seems the Cloud Tribes developed the culture of hunting big game, and since Dragons by nature can't be bonded with since they don't submit to equal partnership, this sets up the reason for the historical enmity Qingshe described to Water Eel Son.
They've been at odds with each other since the beginning, back when Dragon Gods could probably kill a Cloud Tribe solo and they were the ultimate hunting challenge.
Ogodei bonded with the same type of Spirit Beast that Shenhua used several of to pull her carriage in FoD to arrive at the Sect. Their natural growth curve would let Ogodei piggyback up to Indigo/Violet.
To reach Prism, either the Dragon Horse that Ogodei tamed was a prime specimen of its type or they managed to grow past their growth cap, maybe through Ogodei opening the Skyson's Vault and gaining insight there.
So at first when I read the Starson hunted Gods, I assumed it meant the lingering Great Spirits that ambushed Father Sky & Mother Earth, AKA the eldritch stars that hated living beings, and whose star-blood seeped underground after being killed.
Then it said Ogodei hunted a Dragon King which was "kin of the Old Gods" so I'm guessing the Starson actually hunted Dragon Gods and Beast Gods back when they still ruled the land. Fits with their nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle too, raiding the nascent Spirit Beast Kingdoms.
Anyways, it seems the Cloud Tribes developed the culture of hunting big game, and since Dragons by nature can't be bonded with since they don't submit to equal partnership, this sets up the reason for the historical enmity Qingshe described to Water Eel Son.
They've been at odds with each other since the beginning, back when Dragon Gods could probably kill a Cloud Tribe solo and they were the ultimate hunting challenge.
I thought it was because the Li killed Ogodei's foster father and wife while trying to claim more clay and treasure from the Thunder Bearer tribe's grazing area?
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NaanContributor
Provider of delicious flatbread, and nothing else.
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So was this Li clan that apparently caused Ogodei's Uprising the same, now-defunct clan that Li Suyin is descended from? She got her clan art from her family's last surviving cultivator whose dantian was broken, and it was previously stated that the first star stone arrow Ogodei fired pierced the meditation chamber of the local clan patriarch to shoot him in his lower dantian...
Resonant
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I doubt Li Suyin was given her clan art by the crippled Clan Patriarch, if she was related. Ogodei would've finished the Li Patriarch off considering his Grudge, not allow the biggest threat to limp away with only his dantian crippled. Also, that'd mean Suyin is a direct descendent to a defunct Count Clan, which would've easily come up since it was Suyin's maternal Grandfather who gave the technique to her.
The closest thing that would imply a relationship would be the Li Clan apparently specializing in toxins and their home is called 'Black Lotus' mountain.
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Diomedea
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It's not. The Li name she has is from her father (commoner civil servant), but her art is from her maternal line which does not have the Li name. We also have WoG that it isn't. The timing makes it much more likely that Suyin's maternal line were Hui supporters who were cast down.
Interesting, it seems to me that this is referring to the woman in the Imperturable Stars sidestory. Also, both stories refer to the People, so she was probably a member of the early Cloud Tribes and her story filtered into the Emerald Seas through the hill tribes that were later assimilated.
EternalObserver
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Along with what others said, it's also in the Historical Timeline
Well, Yuan He and friends (who are mostly dead). Hua Hang (the really old Elder) was one of them.
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It's not impossible, but I wouldn't be sure of it just on the account of the name - practically every tribe calls itself "The People" or some such, so it's not saying much. Maybe she was a member of the early Cloud tribes, or maybe the legend spread to them and they made their own version of it, or maybe the name of a historical Moon cultivator was conflated with a legendary figure. Personally, I think the third one is most likely - I believe the stars were locked behind the sky relatively early in the history of the world, so I don't think that happened after Cloud tribes already had three legendary leaders.
What I find more interesting is that apparently they fought Western jungle people early in their history, and even signed a compact with them? I wonder how that works - I am pretty sure there's like half the Empire between the jungle and the Wall. A lot of ground to cover even for nomads, and they not just fought, but actually had some dealings with each other? I am really wondering about the history behind that.
Edit: Actually, now that I look at the map, it seems that the Wall goes enough to the west and the jungles go enough to the south for them to be pretty close to each other at that point. I think Cloud tribes no longer usually reach that far west, and if they do they don't come back to their old mountains, but it looks like they did before. Pretty interesting still - I, for one, am really not used to thinking about western jungles and Cloud tribes in one sentence, so the details about their contacts with each other are fascinating, even if they are something we would probably really explore only if we were allied to Sun Liling.
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Different moral codes. Taoism has various degrees of deviation, but killing, robbing, and all that are not supposed to be sins under the system in their own right, though they strongly suggest that the individual has gone disharmonious.
Very much not. Renxiang LOOKS the part, but she lacks equanimity. The ideal is to be as much an instrument of fate as the weather, to perform your role with no intent, judgement or passion.
Renxiang cares too much.
1) Nameless Father
2) Starson. The Imperial form has it as Nameless Parents -> Sun/Moon, but the Cloud Nomads include a third?
3) Sounds like a Sun aspect
4) Hi Tsu! It sounds like Tsu didn't discover the seasons so much as found the embodiments of each season and persuaded them to take turns rather than hold their season supreme in their territories, thus letting them ALL have more territory and save effort.
5) Hidden Moon!
6) ...you know, it occurs to me that if Tsu was allied sufficiently to the Nomads that they remember to this day, is it possible that a faction of the Weilu civil war left to join the nomads? Or possibly, that the Ancestor didn't leave, but got killed and covered up?
Empire: "The Nomads have no Whites"
Nomads: "Goes to show what you know. Hard is not impossible."
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I think, looking at the map, that the cloud tribes probably used to range across to the other mountain range that serves as the western edge of the western territories. My bet is the jungle continues on the other side as well, or maybe in truth, but the pact might refer the altitude at which the jungle gives way to the peaks.
Which would then have the emerald sea claim the gap in between the ranges as their expanding frontier.
Kinda means that the emerald sea is the only area that CAN expand seriously yet- all the way west under the desert.
So I'm wondering what the treasure was, since it sounds like the resistance got smashed. And where it is now.
Which would then have the emerald sea claim the gap in between the ranges as their expanding frontier.
Kinda means that the emerald sea is the only area that CAN expand seriously yet- all the way west under the desert.
So I'm wondering what the treasure was, since it sounds like the resistance got smashed. And where it is now.
Don't the Nomads have some legend about Father Sky chucking a star down to earth because the Dragon Gods were being douchebags? I assume that he would have been the child of that star.