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Religion is vital to Mathilde. If it's an obstacle between her and Panaromia, this needs to be resolved, if any sincere relationship stands a chance. I don't see why we should hold it off, given that religious compatibility is almost certainly going to be one of the stress points of any meaningful romantic relation Mathilde could have. If our religion makes the relationship impossible, so be it, better we know now than later. If it is compatible, we need to have an idea of how our faith plays out with Panoramia's own ideals. Mathilde is a very pious woman of faith , and there is no escaping or denying this.
When it comes to longer-term compatibility, this is basically the single biggest factor. PanPan's not super okay with the religious trappings of the Jade Order, while Mathilde has stupid high piety and gets handed divine artifacts from her god.

It's entirely possible that she'll be totally cool with it, but this is important to find out.
From a real-life dating perspective, I guess "lead with the potential dealbreaker" is a sensible heuristic. I worry that it might come off a little weird from an in-character perspective (since the implication is that we're considering her for a serious relationship, which is true OOC but which is more ambiguous in the voting option), but I trust Boney to make it interesting.
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I get it, but while your still interested in spending the rest of the story as loremaster of k8ps, I'm already getting bored and want to start exploring other aspects of the setting.

this update just strengthened that desire with all the world-building in it.

Warhammer is such a big setting, and are largely stuck in the literal corner of it.
The quest was originally an advisor quest, and while large portions of it have changed, that's still the basic setup we're in, and it's a unique and interesting setup that has won many fans over the years. I would rather explore one part of the world to a high degree of depth and get to know the characters there than range over the world as a wandering hero. Being an honest-to-goodness ruler a la a standard CK2 quest (or would it be CK3, now?) is somewhat better than a wandering hero, but that just means more focus on our polity, less focus on Mathilde-as-Mathilde, and a more generic sort of quest, which I think would be a loss.
 
Does you using word "predecessor" means that Kasmir accepted the job and now acts as Roswita's Piety advisor? If that is the case I'm curious whether this theological expedition of his is job action or off-duty one.

Yes, he currently has the job. It's definitely within his remit to promote the worship of benign gods, it's just not one usually emphasized by Priests who are usually more interested in promoting their own. Title drop and all that.
 
The issue is that it's a two-parter operation. You need the people out advertising, but you do also need an actual god in the home office filing the prayer forms. The problem with all the god kings and what-not is that they immediately try and get themselves deified when they're alive, but that means trying to set up a business when you can't fulfill orders, so they just crash and burn. 'We worshiped so and so, but never got anything out of them; obviously they were lying'.

The reason Ulric could get Sigmar going was that Sigmar was in a well-paying theological position at the time (a powerful saint of Ulric, who lots of people in the Empire were already praying to so that he could intercede with Ulric), so he already had really good advertising and a really receptive customer base, and all Ulric had to do was give him a small loan so he could start fulfilling orders himself.

We do got our boy Ranald...
 
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Normally I'd actually be a bit wary of this, given Panoramia's stated dislike of gods and religion, but then I remembered that for Mathilde it's not really religious. Ranald is her oldest and best friend, and that's how she treats him. Why wouldn't she introduce him to her prospective girlfriend and vice versa? It's not like we're taking her to a sermon or something. Plus, you know, Ranald worship is totally casual enough Pan probably wouldn't notice much difference from just doing her own thing.
...now I'm amused by the image of Ranald giving her, like, all the luck that night to show his approval. And so he can laugh as Mathilde consistently loses her gambles.
 
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I would like to separate the 'I'm interested in you' conversation from the 'actually, *my* god is very important to me even if you are aggressively disinterested in them' conversation.

I refuse to approach this looking to highlight and emphasize reasons that might cause it to fail. I'm going to go with things that I think will make it fun and happy and worth doing for both. Don't treat romance as negotiations with a potentially hostile party.

Warhammer is such a big setting, and are largely stuck in the literal corner of it.

On one hand I get you, on the other hand this is only a single story. Stretching it to encompass everything interesting really risks losing what makes it great.
 
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Bringing the agnostic partner into your place of worship for a first date sounds off to me. It reminds me a little too much of irl proselytizing for me to be comfortable with it.
 
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He waves a hand. "Sylvanians have no patience for outsiders coming in with outsider Gods. They'll accept our help, and they'll definitely accept our gold, but at the first sign of trouble the priests flee and the Sylvanians will have no choice but to go back to their old habits. What do they care for Sigmar, who overlooked their tribe? What do they care for Taal when their forests are so hostile, or Rhya when their crops so often rot, or Shallya when there's no mercy to be found? But Bylorak succeeded where all others failed. Bylorhof never paid a drop of blood to the Vampire Counts. So if we can re-establish their Old Gods, perhaps they can succeed where ours have failed."

Kasmir for Grand Theogonist?
 
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no, you do not bring the agnostic to a place of worship on the first date.

That just screams "You are gonna have to change yourself for me" to anyone looking.
 
Y'know what, no, I've changed my mind:

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When it comes to longer-term compatibility, this is basically the single biggest factor. PanPan's not super okay with the religious trappings of the Jade Order, while Mathilde has stupid high piety and gets handed divine artifacts from her god.

It's entirely possible that she'll be totally cool with it, but this is important to find out.

I strongly disagree. You don't have to share a religion to be in a relation with someone.

Panoramia's reaction to Mathilde being Ranaldian wasn't negative, just surprised. I'd peg her as irreligious, not agnostic. (And it wouldn't really be Mathilde's place to 'correct' or 'test' that.) Plus while PanPan might like the date, she might instead find it as dislikeable as Mathy would find a date doing actual farming uninteresting. I'd say start with something we know they both would enjoy, then work their way up to trying each other's hobbies.
 
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We do got our boy Ranald...
I started laying out an argument for why he could pretend to be us as a saint as a proactive business strategy (we'd be his saint, ergo, glorifying our identity only makes him cooler, and considering how incredibly loyal to him we are and how risky our lifestyle is it's one that's bound to pay off and become true sooner rather than later), but the issue I ran into is that us still being alive would be kind of awkward.

Consider, everybody knows we're the Dammerlichtreiter. Nobody really thinks about it, but we're still a person running around and doing things, and the Mathilde who talks to people and the Mathilde that people would be worshiping would inevitably start to overlap.

"So... mind explaining why all these peasants in Stirland are praying to you?"
*They watch a Stirland peasant pray to Mathilde, shake a magic censor, and make smoke that makes undead go away come out. Ranald catches the prayer and sticks it in a piggy bank*
*They turn around, but Mathilde has absconded through a window. Their snack tray is empty*

If we loaded up the temples with enough magic items I bet we could offload most of the actual miracle-expenditures he'd need to do (like the Dammerlichtreiter Thuribles protecting towns from the undead), but the more successful our ruse gets the more awkward it might be. Being an object of worship means intentionally trying to get the Knowledge(Religion) check DCs on us as low as possible, which means anybody with ears will be aware of interesting tidbits such as us serving Ranald, like, as in we're on speaking terms with him. It's hard to be an object of worship when you're also buying beer at the market, or people are having to contemplate the pro's and con's of going into business against somebody worshiped as a servant of the divine.
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no, you do not bring the agnostic to a place of worship on the first date.

That just screams "You are gonna have to change yourself for me" to anyone looking.
I think the issue is that we're not going to change that aspect of ourself for her. It's best to get it out of the way now, before we spend a year in a relationship with her without addressing it, because if she's staying away from the Jade Order because they're really intense about play-acting religious occurrences she really might not be comfortable living around somebody who does the things other people make ceremonies to commemorate.
 
Yes, he currently has the job. It's definitely within his remit to promote the worship of benign gods, it's just not one usually emphasized by Priests who are usually more interested in promoting their own. Title drop and all that.
An interesting case of him running counter to the cult of Sigmar-the-God by sticking closer to the example set by Sigmar-the-Man.
 
I started laying out an argument for why he could pretend to be us as a saint as a proactive business strategy (we'd be his saint, ergo, glorifying our identity only makes him cooler, and considering how incredibly loyal to him we are and how risky our lifestyle is it's one that's bound to pay off and become true sooner rather than later), but the issue I ran into is that us still being alive would be kind of awkward.

Consider, everybody knows we're the Dammerlichtreiter. Nobody really thinks about it, but we're still a person running around and doing things, and the Mathilde who talks to people and the Mathilde that people would be worshiping would inevitably start to overlap.

"So... mind explaining why all these peasants in Stirland are praying to you?"
*They watch a Stirland peasant pray to Mathilde, shake a magic censor, and make smoke that makes undead go away come out. Ranald catches the prayer and sticks it in a piggy bank*
*They turn around, but Mathilde has absconded through a window. Their snack tray is empty*

If we loaded up the temples with enough magic items I bet we could offload most of the actual miracle-expenditures he'd need to do (like the Dammerlichtreiter Thuribles protecting towns from the undead), but the more successful our ruse gets the more awkward it might be. Being an object of worship means intentionally trying to get the Knowledge(Religion) check DCs on us as low as possible, which means anybody with ears will be aware of interesting tidbits such as us serving Ranald, like, as in we're on speaking terms with him. It's hard to be an object of worship when you're also buying beer at the market, or people are having to contemplate the pro's and con's of going into business against somebody worshiped as a servant of the divine.
I don't want to become a god, I want to try and become an urban legend ala apparitions. Turn the coin to protector, do some hero-y things in Stirland and have Ranald credit it to our Dammerlichtreiter persona.

Make people think that an apparition like that exists and see if we actually create something or at least if we can get Dammerlichtriter themed spells to work better.
 
I really don't know how to feel if the reason Kasmir was unable to heal Abel back then was because some minor swamp god was burying Sigmar in Divine Red Tape for trying to intercede in their territory.
 
The reason Ulric could get Sigmar going was that Sigmar was in a well-paying theological position at the time (a powerful saint of Ulric, who lots of people in the Empire were already praying to so that he could intercede with Ulric), so he already had really good advertising and a really receptive customer base, and all Ulric had to do was give him a small loan so he could start fulfilling orders himself.
If we ever decide we want to try to become a god, getting Ranald to sponsor us would be a must for a variety of reasons.
 
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