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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, do you have time for Slaver's Bay XP calculations?
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Here we are

Tyene, Vee Malarys, -> 1762 XP
Garin Ser Richard Dany, Viserys -> 1677 XP
Melisande -> Progress to next level up
Benero, Azema -> Level up
Chun Ting Lo (Monk 9), Ser Criston Storm (Human Paragon 3/Fighter 5/Occult Slayer 1), Ceria "Storm" (Favored Soul 8/Sacred Exorcist 1), Ser Denys Trainer (Rogue 1/Alchemist 8), Anya the Inquisitor, Morwyn and Tuin - the Drow assassins -> Progress to next level up
 
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One question, if Mel does something epic against Ymeri, like killing a high lady/lord of her court, or saving his Burny's avatar via emergency-heal while he fights Ymeri herself, or something comparable, could she gain a Mythic rank?

Or does her position of "Burny makes those miracles, not me" inherently prevent a legend from forming?
 
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@DragonParadox
One question, if Mel does something epic against Ymeri, like killing a high lady/lord of her court, or saving his Burny's avatar via emergency-heal while he fights Ymeri herself, or something comparable, could she gain a Mythic rank?

Or does her position of "Burny makes those miracles, not me" inherently prevent a legend from forming?
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Mel (and other priests) can gain mythic ranks just fine, after all it is posibile to aknwoelge that both 'the god is great' and 'his champions is great'
 
Basically, to be a Cleric takes such strong convictions that to manifest those miracles is an independent action in and of itself which allows legend to accrue.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 31, 2020 at 11:07 AM, finished with 42 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Plan Go Go Unsatisfying Compromise
    -[X] Reform the local government along the same lines as Myr.
    -[X] Government will be handled by bi-cameral, legislative body, made up by the Council of Elders (traditional allocation of seats is kept) and the Council of Speakers (allocation of seats will be changed to match Imperial rules for elections of voices).
    -[X] The de facto ruler of the city will still be called Archon (it will only be a count-level title in the Imperial hierarchy, but historic precedent allows them to keep the name.) and carry executive power, while local legislative power and the power to appoint judges will be given to the parliament, requiring 2/3rd approval from both chambers to enact a measure.
    -[X] The Archon will be elected from among citizens of good standing, requiring also a 2/3rd majority in both chambers to be elected.
    -[X] To the aristocracy, this will be sold as reigning in the upstart merchants by bringing back control over things like taxation and the judicary to the aristocracy.
    -[X] To the merchants, this will be sold as giving them the ability to take full control of the government if they can field a popular enough candidate for Archon that can be elected by pressure from the street to bully the aristocracy into compliance.
    -[X] In fact, the system will largely favor bickering, indecision and partisan grandstanding, allowing Relath as the Governor of the area and Viserys as the Imperator to rule the area by decree without a strong local government standing in their way.
    [X] The old aristocracy
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DragonParadox said:
Here we are

Tyene, Vee Malarys, -> 1762 XP
Garin Ser Richard Dany, Viserys -> 1677 XP
Melisande -> Progress to next level up
Benero, Azema -> Level up
Chun Ting Lo (Monk 9), Ser Criston Storm (Human Paragon 3/Fighter 5/Occult Slayer 1), Ceria "Storm" (Favored Soul 8/Sacred Exorcist 1), Ser Denys Trainer (Rogue 1/Alchemist 8), Anya the Inquisitor, Morwyn and Tuin - the Drow assassins -> Progress to next level up
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Viserys Targaryen
Level: 18 (158,109/171,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Daenerys Targaryen
Level: 18 (156,067/153,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Ser Richard Lonmouth
Level: 18 (155,158/153,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Garin Drekelis
Level: 16 (127,397/136,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Vee
Level: 17 (139,918/153,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Tyene Sandviper
Level: 16 (135,463/136,000 XP)
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DragonParadox said:
Name: Malarys Vanor
Level: 17 (139,607/153,000 XP)
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Goldfish said:
Name: Azema
Level: 8
Class: Alu Demon 6/Cloistered Cleric 1/Chameleon 1
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Name: Viserys Targaryen Level: 18 (158,109/171,000 XP) + 1,677 XP --> (159,786/171,000 XP)

Name: Daenerys Targaryen Level: 18 (156,067/171,000 XP) + 1,677 XP --> (157,744/171,000 XP)

Name: Ser Richard Lonmouth Level: 18 (155,158/171,000 XP) + 1,677 XP --> (156,835/171,000 XP)

Name: Garin Drekelis Level: 16 (127,397/136,000 XP) + 1,677 XP --> (129,074/136,000 XP)

Name: Vee Level: 17 (139,918/153,000 XP) + 1,762 XP --> (141,743/153,000 XP)

Name: Tyene Sandviper Level: 16 (135,463/136,000 XP) + 1,762 XP --> (137,225/153,000 XP) --> LEVEL UP!

Name: Malarys Vanor Level: 17 (139,607/153,000 XP) + 1,762 XP --> (141,369/153,000 XP)

Azema --> Level 8 --> LEVEL UP!

Benerro --> ??? --> LEVEL UP!
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 31, 2020 at 11:07 AM, finished with 42 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] Plan Go Go Unsatisfying Compromise
    -[X] Reform the local government along the same lines as Myr.
    -[X] Government will be handled by bi-cameral, legislative body, made up by the Council of Elders (traditional allocation of seats is kept) and the Council of Speakers (allocation of seats will be changed to match Imperial rules for elections of voices).
    -[X] The de facto ruler of the city will still be called Archon (it will only be a count-level title in the Imperial hierarchy, but historic precedent allows them to keep the name.) and carry executive power, while local legislative power and the power to appoint judges will be given to the parliament, requiring 2/3rd approval from both chambers to enact a measure.
    -[X] The Archon will be elected from among citizens of good standing, requiring also a 2/3rd majority in both chambers to be elected.
    -[X] To the aristocracy, this will be sold as reigning in the upstart merchants by bringing back control over things like taxation and the judicary to the aristocracy.
    -[X] To the merchants, this will be sold as giving them the ability to take full control of the government if they can field a popular enough candidate for Archon that can be elected by pressure from the street to bully the aristocracy into compliance.
    -[X] In fact, the system will largely favor bickering, indecision and partisan grandstanding, allowing Relath as the Governor of the area and Viserys as the Imperator to rule the area by decree without a strong local government standing in their way.
    [X] The old aristocracy
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Part MMMDCXXXI: Order of the Day
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    • Order of the Day ​

    Twenty Seventh Day of the Second Month 294 AC

    In the end you hand one seal to the aristocrats and one to the merchants. Oberyn jests through Varys that you should have cut the one seal in half and given each a useless piece to symbolize the system you have set up. The Council of Elders and the Council of Speakers will continue to function in parallel with the first maintaining its traditional location of seats and the second following Imperial law. The Archon will be elected from among citizens of good standing, requiring also a two thirds majority in both chambers to be elected.

    To the elders you sell this arrangement as reigning in the upstart merchants by bringing back control over things like taxation and the judiciary to the aristocracy and it goes reasonably well, presumably because they see you as one of them more than a foreign conqueror. Unlike Volantis the days of Elyria's greatest prosperity are not the days of self-rule, and its old blood is more than happy to negotiate with one who bears the mien of the dragonlords rather than say the Dragon of Tolos to whom they had sent envoys with doubt in their hearts.

    "Relath is never going to be rid of those rumors..." Dany sighs into her cup of watered date wine as one more merchant has to be assured that trade with Tolos will not be in any sort of trouble.

    "He did actually eat the traitors," your goodsister points out from your other side.

    "It probably hurt a lot less than any other sort of show execution he could have used," Dany counters. Catching your mother's troubled look she quickly adds. "I mean, I wouldn't do it obviously. It's better to encourage people with rewards than discourage them with fear, I'm just saying it's a less painful way to go than being broken on the wheel or drawn and quartered, both of which were punishments on the books in Tolos in the old days. If you ask me I think those magisteres were more horrified that something like that could happen to them than at seeing traitors being eaten by their new lord "

    "The fact that he ate them is both execution, which was his due, and desecration of the bodies, which was ill done of him," Elia replies, not willing to give up her side of the argument.

    The discussion on the philosophical merits of various forms of execution is not something you can keep an ear on for long however, because the other faction of Elyrian politics does not take as well as the council of elders to your proposed suggestion. You had told the metics that the system would allow them to take full control of the government if they can field a popular enough candidate for Archon that can be elected, implying that pressure from the streets could be used to bully the aristocracy into compliance.

    They are not buying it.

    Someone on their side must have a hard head for more than their ledgers, because the young merchant from the pier approaches you with objections to the plan. "Two thirds majority in any deliberative body is hard to attain, much less those relics of a bygone era, and..." here he pauses and clears his throat as though in discomfort, though you can see it for the twist of rhetoric it is. "It has been implied that pressure from the streets could incline the Elders to follow the will of the people, but we would not wish to enact disorder upon the streets of your realm, Your Grace."

    What do you reply?

    [] Assure him that you do not object to peaceful protests

    [] Change the proposed administrative arrangement
    -[] Write in how

    [] Write in

    OOC: No more people caving instantly and no more silly intransigence.
     
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    • So do we have an official stance on protests? Particularly peaceful ones?

    Not that anyone or their mother will be interested in letting them stay peaceful.

    As for these guys...

    I wonder how much is a desire for power and how much is a desire to reform their government.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    "The fact that he ate them is both execution, which was his due, and desecration of the bodies which was ill done of him," Elia replies, not willing to give up her side of the argument.
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    Meh. It takes a special kind of stupid to rebel against a dragon overlord who you have no actual ability to harm. This was literally natural selection at work.
    zxzx24 said:
    So do we have an official stance on protests? Particularly peaceful ones?

    Not that anyone or their mother will be interested in letting them stay peaceful.
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    Almost every protest we've come across we've made it a point to diffuse and disperse. If the protesters stay peaceful against all odds then fine, let them have at it, but anyone preaching violence and disorder and anarchy should get a special visit and an Inquisition file as a potential cultist.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Order of the Day ​

    Twenty Seventh Day of the Second Month 294 AC

    In the end you hand one seal to the aristocrats and one to the merchants. Oberyn jests through Varys that you should have cut the one seal in half and given each a useless piece to symbolize the system you have set up. The Council of Elders and the Council of Speakers will continue to function in parallel, with the first maintaining its traditional allocation of seats and the second following Imperial law. The Archon will be elected from among citizens of good standing, also requiring two thirds majority in both chambers to be elected.

    To the elders, you sell this arrangement as as reigning in the upstart merchants by bringing back control over things like taxation and the judiciary to the aristocracy. It goes reasonably well, presumably because they see you as one of them more than a foreign conqueror. Unlike Volantis, the days of Elyria's greatest prosperity are not the days of self rule, and its old blood is more than happy to negotiate with one who bears the mien of the dragon lords rather than say the Dragon of Tolos, to whom they had sent envoys with doubt in their hearts.

    "Relath is never going to be rid of those rumors..." Dany sighs into her cup of watered date wine as one more merchant has to be assured that trade with Tolos will not be any sort of trouble.

    "He did actually eat the traitors," your goodsister points out from your other side.

    "It probably hurt a lot less than any other sort of show execution he could have used," Dany counters. Catching your mother's troubled look, she quickly adds, "I mean I wouldn't do it, obviously. It's better to encourage people with rewards than discourage them with fear. I'm just saying it's a less painful way to go than being broken on the wheel or drawn and quartered, both of which were punishments on the books in Tolos in the old days. If you ask me, I think those magisteres were more horrified that something like that could happen to them than at seeing traitors being eaten by their new lord "

    "The fact that he ate them is both execution, which was his due, and desecration of the bodies which was ill done of him," Elia replies, not willing to give up her side of the argument.

    The discussion on the philosophical merits of various forms of execution is not something you can keep an ear on for long, however, because the other faction of Elyrian politics does not take as well as the council of elders to your proposed suggestion. You had told the metics that the system would allow them to take full control of the government if they can field a popular enough candidate for Archon that can be elected, implying that pressure from the street could be used to bully the aristocracy into compliance.

    They are not buying it.

    Someone on their side must have a head for more than their ledgers, because the young merchant from the pier approaches you with objections to the plan. "Two thirds majority in any deliberative body is hard to attain, much less those relics of a bygone era, and..." here he pauses and clears his throat as though in discomfort, though you can see it for the twist of rhetoric it is. "It has been implied that pressure from the street could incline the Elders to follow the will of the people, but we would not wish to enact disorder upon the streets of your realm, Your Grace."

    What do you reply?

    [] Assure him that you do not object to peaceful protests

    [] Change the proposed administrative arrangement
    -[] Write in how

    [] Write in

    OOC: No more people caving instantly and no more silly intransigence. Not yet edited.
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    Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
     
    [X] Formalize the concept of public gatherings for the purpose of Peaceful Protest, as well as putting checks in place requiring certain paperwork being submitted in advance, not to obstruct it from taking place but simply to keep track of (and hold responsible) the organizers and so as to have points of contact for any movement responsible for them. This allows the Inquisition and Lawmen to focus its efforts on bad faith actors and prevent the undue persecution of non-violent activists.
    -[X] It also makes it easier to crack down on dissidents whenever the protests turn rowdy, while allowing most citizens to express their opinions without any real option to force changes.
     
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    [X] Formalize the concept of public gatherings for the purpose of Peaceful Protest, as well as putting checks in place requiring certain paperwork being submitted in advance, not to obstruct it from taking place but simply to keep track of (and hold responsible) the organizers and so as to have points of contact for any movement responsible for them. This allows the Inquisition and Lawmen to focus its efforts on bad faith actors and prevent the undue persecution of non-violent activists.
    -[X] It also makes it easier to crack down on dissidents whenever the protests turn rowdy, while allowing most citizens to express their opinions without any real option to force changes.

    Clarifying intentions here, lest this be turned into some weird endorsement of democracy right after sabotaging it elsewhere.
     
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    @Azel @Goldfish While it's good that we don't really have to develop riot gear, since most medieval armor already kinda counts, perhaps we should have one of those Non-Violence field items ready and accessible by Law Enforcement for protests? So that no one CAN even take violent action within the boundary.

    It's honestly a lot more effective than tear gas and cudgels, since then can you can kind of separate and herd the rowdy ones away from the peaceful people in the crowd, then just quietly arrest them after that.
     
    Azel said:
    Clarifying intentions here, lest this be turned into some weird endorsement of democracy right after sabotaging it elsewhere.
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    [X] Azel

    Technically speaking we are doing some kinda weird version of constitutional monarchy all over the place and we aren't against democracy in general, we just like having the option to actively intervene in stuff without hoops to jump through if needed while most of the time letting others govern themselves.
     
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