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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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So, are we breaking the crown and warring with CoS in the 3rd month, or the 4th month?
@Azel, @Crake?

I'm putting the turnvote together now.
Depending on how much we want to fight CoS, it really depends how over-beefed-up the group would be.

I assume that if we are going full "EXTERMI-NATE!" on them in the 4th, then the 3rd is 'just' attacking all of their assets on PoB itself.
 
BronzeTongue said:
How close are we to building the imperial god anyway? We keep loading more features onto it, and we're still working on the components for the basic functions.
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The general consensus is we know all of the things necessary to make it happen, and even have some of the building blocks, but not all of them are in one place. Right now the main obstacle in our way is understanding the environment we want to build it on, and material components necessary to bind it to the realm and protect it against sabotage.

There's something to be said for pushing Lya's understanding of Runecraft to the absolute limit, since then @DragonParadox and us can finally discuss a more simplified and easier to track system for "general defensive measures in individual tiers of cost/paranoia".
 
egoo said:
So, are we breaking the crown and warring with CoS in the 3rd month, or the 4th month?
@Azel, @Crake?

I'm putting the turnvote together now.
Depending on how much we want to fight CoS, it really depends how over-beefed-up the group would be.

I assume that if we are going full "EXTERMI-NATE!" on them in the 4th, then the 3rd is 'just' attacking all of their assets on PoB itself.
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It's looking like the 4th Month, I don't see how y'all are going to manage to meaningfully fight an asymmetrical war with the Fey while invading two city states simultaneously. We can't be everywhere at once, but we could at least not have two giant ass fucking commitments calling our attention away from dealing with some of the problems they stir up for us.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I'll buy them being dumb enough to think they can win this particular game, but with the various flavors of mini dragon, plant creatures, and fey running around I don't see why they'd want to.

Everyone, including imps, hate the little bastards and only work with them when they don't have other options. If they were getting a discount deal on something stronger I'd at least see the temptation, but this just seems like the kind of thing that anyone with prior knowledge of the topic would need to be prodded into doing under these conditions.
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Imps get a weekly commune spell, that is a hell of a prize for a minor mage.

Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, I meant by imprisoning the imps and rooting through their minds, not questioning the idiot students.
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Imps are imps, no one important would actually tell them who they are working for, assume any information you get out of their heads is part of a ruse

Crake said:
@DragonParadox I guess having the city run by Celestials or run by a True Dragon who probably greatly leans on his connections with the local Inquisition Commissariat has some perks/something to do with it.
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That or the higher mage density in SD, including the greater ambition favored this
 
The problem with the crown is that the Imperial pseudo-deity is just that. A pseudo-deity. It's not supposed to be sentient, just a big barrel of god-juice.
 
Crake said:
You can get pretty comprehensive and useful divination out of the House of Mirrors these days. The service isn't free, but it's extremely affordable to even a below average graduate with an NPC class.
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You can get Divination out of the House of mirrors which is the future up to a week, commune has no limit except the power of whatever entity you are contacting. You could ask them about lost arcane secrets, treasures from the Age of Dawn anything and everything. At least that is what the perpetrators in this particular instance justified themselves.
 
Crake said:
It's looking like the 4th Month, I don't see how y'all are going to manage to meaningfully fight an asymmetrical war with the Fey while invading two city states simultaneously. We can't be everywhere at once, but we could at least not have two giant ass fucking commitments calling our attention away from dealing with some of the problems they stir up for us.
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It being a good idea was never the point. Were pretty explicitly rushing things damn the consequences.

While I have you here. @Crake thoughts on community service? Particularly fixing whatever damage the imps cause? I'm sure any number of subjects would love the chance to oversee that.

An Erinyes maybe? Too harsh?
 
Azel said:
The problem with the crown is that the Imperial pseudo-deity is just that. A pseudo-deity. It's not supposed to be sentient, just a big barrel of god-juice.
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That idea probably got away from DP when writing about what we wanted to do with the Crown, and him not adjusting for the fact that if the Crown has to be bound to a willing and cognizant bearer, its basically useless for its original purpose if we want to use it for that.
 
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Azel said:
The problem with the crown is that the Imperial pseudo-deity is just that. A pseudo-deity. It's not supposed to be sentient, just a big barrel of god-juice.
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I'll be honest, I'm thoroughly lost at this point as to what our plans concerning the Crown are.

I assume we are breaking it regardless, just to that we can war it out with CoS?

Because tbh, I'm A-okay with getting jack shit else from breaking it, so long as we get to invade CoS in return.
 
Azel said:
The problem with the crown is that the Imperial pseudo-deity is just that. A pseudo-deity. It's not supposed to be sentient, just a big barrel of god-juice.
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It's not supposed to be alive at all, not just non-sapient? Yeah in that case you can't use the crown for it. The crown is not blessing and bane, both are the same enchantment, the bearer gets power over the land and in exchange the land gets power over them.
 
Azel said:
The problem with the crown is that the Imperial pseudo-deity is just that. A pseudo-deity. It's not supposed to be sentient, just a big barrel of god-juice.
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The more stuff you cram into this thing the more likely it is to get up and start doing stuff.

The Genius Loci from so long ago comes to mind binding the crowns abilities to substantial landmass with no one controlling it.

Come to think of it turning the land selectively into a loci would accomplish the crowns powers quite handily.

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As dp said. Classic fey artifact. Works on narrative logic not physics.
 
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egoo said:
I'll be honest, I'm thoroughly lost at this point as to what our plans concerning the Crown are.

I assume we are breaking it regardless, just to that we can war it out with CoS?

Because tbh, I'm A-okay with getting jack shit else from breaking it, so long as we get to invade CoS in return.
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We can do that regardless of whether or not we break the Crown you realize... this just gives them casus belli. Our casus belli is they are squatting on our fucking de jure claims.
 
DragonParadox said:
It's not supposed to be alive at all, not just non-sapient? Yeah in that case you can't use the crown for it. The crown is not blessing and bane, both are the same enchantment, the bearer gets power over the land and in exchange the land gets power over them.
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Can't we pry it apart as an ingredient to get the interface going? After all, the pseudo-deity will still be connected to the land and can act upon it with it's power. Think an artifical body pumping fake blood through plastic veins. The question is if we can use the crown to make any of those parts.
 
Also, @Crake, have the Inquistion move into the Scholarium to secure anyone. Make it clear that this is, in fact, a crackdown and that detention isn't the worst that can happen to the chuckle-fucks who are behind this.
 
zxzx24 said:
The more stuff you cram into this thing the more likely it is to get up and start doing stuff.

The Genius Loci from so long ago comes to mind binding the crowns abilities to substantial landmass with no one controlling it.

Come to think of it turning the land selectively into a loci would accomplish the crowns powers quite handily.

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As dp said. Classic fey artifact. Works on narrative logic not physics.
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Look. We want a big barrel that absorbs energy generated by belief into the Imperium and by sympathetic actions, such as what the bureaucracy or the legion are doing in their day to day business. Said barrel of juice can then be used to power other things:
- an afterlife (preferably something akin to the Old Gods, since I prefer hivemind over having a phsyical location that makes the afterlife to mundane a thing)
- Viserys throwing around the odd Divine Salient once there is enough power for that
- bribing the Imperial Pantheon and binding them together
- reforging souls from the afterlife into Outsiders

That's about it.

The guiding intellect will be Viserys, achieving divinity by proxy and thus avoiding the metaphysical baggage.
 
Azel said:
Can't we pry it apart as an ingredient to get the interface going? After all, the pseudo-deity will still be connected to the land and can act upon it with it's power. Think an artifical body pumping fake blood through plastic veins. The question is if we can use the crown to make any of those parts.
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So just the interface, none of the power of the crown, the pseudo-deity would be 'using' its own power? That might be possible, but it would require more knowledge of fey magics, preferably light fey magics than you currently have.
 
Crake said:
[X] The Inquisition will be locking down the entire Campus District, not just the Shadow Tower, with any and all assets necessary to conduct the cordon. Depending on the degree of involvement and the agency of specific actors, detention, remedial lessons and fines are not the worst punishment that someone could suffer as a result of this. In fact, if you find an agent of Baator here, you will be executing them with extreme prejudice, and will likely mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon.
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@Azel That do it for ya? Eh? Eh? :ogles:
 
Crake said:
We can do that regardless of whether or not we break the Crown you realize... this just gives them casus belli. Our casus belli is they are squatting on our fucking de jure claims.
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The idea behind the "break the crown" has originally been "use up the energy field (and some sacrifices) to have one of our Gods (likely OGs) force their way into Feywild alongside us and stop any time-shenanigans", from what I got from @Azel's not-well-detailed posts.

I am fairly lost in descriptions DP gave the last few chapters about the Crown's mechanics, so I'm not even going to try and guess anymore.
Ergo, me asking outright.
 
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Absolutely send in some inquisition folks. Just dont storm the god damn building :rolleyes2: .

Your trying to scare them not traumatize the whole school and half the staff.

They are kids. One inquisitor trained in intimidate asking some pointed questions and and making some threatening noises should work just fine.

Edit: god damn the threads moving fast today.

Azel said:
Look. We want a big barrel that absorbs energy generated by belief into the Imperium and by sympathetic actions, such as what the bureaucracy or the legion are doing in their day to day business. Said barrel of juice can then be used to power other things:
- an afterlife (preferably something akin to the Old Gods, since I prefer hivemind over having a phsyical location that makes the afterlife to mundane a thing)
- Viserys throwing around the odd Divine Salient once there is enough power for that
- bribing the Imperial Pantheon and binding them together
- reforging souls from the afterlife into Outsiders

That's about it.

The guiding intellect will be Viserys, achieving divinity by proxy and thus avoiding the metaphysical baggage.
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If you just want the interface that's probably doable? It would probably melt the brain of anyone without enough mythic power, but whether that's a bug or a feature...
 
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zxzx24 said:
They are kids. One inquisitor trained in intimidate asking some pointed questions and and making some threatening noises should work just fine.
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I actually think SD could do with the shakeup. Things are too hunky-dory "everything will be fine, Viserys will fix everything". Let people know that the first people who get sent in are the Inquisition, trained for the job, and get used to having a secret police actually... policing things. They aren't just our supernatural hitmen who only show up after quietly investigating a place, or spying on our enemies. They have a public face too, not just a scary "we will burn, then loot" apparatus.
 
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