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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
So I was just about to do a write up about Winter and specifically Rina's relation with it
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Don't forget she supposedly has something (not!Eidolon according to your oooooold PMs with... Takesis, I think?) in the Far North she's connected to?

Feel abcolutely free to Retcon that, ofc.
Nobody's been eager to go hunting for that thing ever since it got floated up as a concept.
Nor was it even mentioned IC, afaik.
 
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DragonParadox said:
It's actually not retroactive, you are well past the retroactive bits that's why Viserys and Richard can be here.
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Fair point on the timing, though the narrative flow being what it is means you should probably just write now and save the update to post later.
egoo said:
Don't forget she supposedly has something (not!Eidolon according to your oooooold PMs with... Takesis, I think?) in the Far North she's connected to?

Feel abcolutely free to Retcon that, ofc.
Nobody's been eager to go hunting for that thing ever since it got floated up as a concept.
Nor was it even mentioned IC, afaik.
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I was never really enthused about another fetch quest for Rina in the land of no teleporting, considering even with that thing existing as long as she levels up enough to break through the threshold and become a fey (and congrats Rina, you made it!) she doesn't actually need it anymore.
 
Duesal said:
Fair point on the timing, though the narrative flow being what it is means you should probably just write now and save the update to post later.

I was never really enthused about another fetch quest for Rina in the land of no teleporting, considering even with that thing existing as long as she levels up enough to break through the threshold and become a fey (and congrats Rina, you made it!) she doesn't actually need it anymore.
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I am not eager either.
Which is why I am making DP aware of that old ruling and how people aren't really into it.
And with a newer stance on retcons (we did convince him, didn't we?), I am obviously hoping for a... certain result, unless DP really ahs shit to do with that one plotpoint. Then I'm game, i guess.
 
Ok, second question DP.

Who was the largest dragon ever recorded, like in your universe the valeriyans have had dragons for thousands of year. Some behemoth must have out sized balerion.
 
Acolyte said:
I thought it was implied to be only valeriyan dragons.
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See, but there are other Dragon breeds, even though Reds (or at least it seems to have been them and their empire) hunted them into oblivion.

Some super-giant Black/Green/Blue/White doing a "Last Stand" significant enough to be remembered by the Reds would possibly be known to us as well.

*purposefully ignores the point*
:p
 
The Reds didn't hunt the other dragon flights to extinction. There was a Kinstrife type battle boogaloo between the Chromatics and the Metallics, caused by a curse which didn't strike the Reds because they slept through while gathering their power to eff up the Void.

There were some scattered survivors among the Chromatics, the Whites seemingly fucking off North, and most of the others died off or wandered off-plane. Chromatics are either endangered in general, or basically extinct until recently (not that there wouldn't be a lot of people/factions interested in keeping things that way or helping it along) and Metallics basically near extinct but for some of the off-type breeds like Darleth who doesn't seem to pay much attention to Bahamut unlike seemingly every chromatic we didn't personally interact with before Tiamat could.

That's an extremely abridged version of events and I forget some of the details.
 
Crake said:
The Reds didn't hunt the other dragon flights to extinction. There was a Kinstrife type battle boogaloo between the Chromatics and the Metallics, caused by a curse which didn't strike the Reds because they slept through while gathering their power to eff up the Void.
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This part is just slightly off. The Reds were hit by it... except that it mostly just set them to their default state, because being Reds they're already insanely violent murder freaks, unlike every other dragon species. After casting out the foreign influence they then had a racial consensus for vengeance against the Void and went to sleep deep inside the Fourteen Fires until the time was right.
DragonParadox said:
Amrelath dreamed, but they were not his dreams. He saw the slumber of tyrants long fallen, he saw his kindred out of deep time, coiled around the roots of the mountains that men would one day name the Fourteen Fires. He saw the Rage that slipped into their dreams as it had done into those of every other flight, a madness, an infection of the Void to purge the dragons from the world before the Great Enemy had even marched, but they were rage and hatred, and among all the kindreds of dragons knew it was not of them and cast IT out. So did they scheme, long in the boiling dark beneath in the bowels of the earth and the Foe thought them dead, until the Lord of Shadows marched from the east upon the Plain of Battle.

There did they rise, from the most ancient Great Wyrm to the youngest Wyrmling born but minutes before, a storm of fire and ruin so great even the soul-riven knew fear, a flame so bright even the Void itself burned by long-wrought ritual and draconic rage. So died the armies of Shadow and from that day onward the plains were known only by another name... the Ashlands.

Amrelath knew IT, and knew it feared him.
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Duesal said:
This part is just slightly off. The Reds were hit by it... except that it mostly just set them to their default state, because being Reds they're already insanely violent murder freaks, unlike every other dragon species. After casting out the foreign influence they then had a racial consensus for vengeance against the Void and went to sleep deep inside the Fourteen Fires until the time was right.
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Adding to this, the centuries of working closely with each other and the metaphysical bond of the ritual helped the Reds grow social enough to found an Empire, so ultimately the Void's touch had the exact opposite effect twice over.
 
DragonParadox said:
Adding to this, the centuries of working closely with each other and the metaphysical bond of the ritual helped the Reds grow social enough to found an Empire, so ultimately the Void's touch had the exact opposite effect twice over.
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Gotta love when the Void crit fails. :D

Still, damn shame for the other Flights.

White gets pretty much wholly corrupted by the Void.
Greens scatter among the deep woods and die off.
Blues scatter among the deserts and die off.
Blacks scatter among the jungles and swamps and die off.

The Reds were the only Flight to come out of that mess unscathed, and even they ended up falling to their rebellious halfdragon children.
 
DragonParadox said:
Adding to this, the centuries of working closely with each other and the metaphysical bond of the ritual helped the Reds grow social enough to found an Empire, so ultimately the Void's touch had the exact opposite effect twice over.
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My first reaction was "how can they work together for centuries without being social in the first place?" but then I realized that this isn't generations of naturally antisocial creatures working together until their culture shifted, it's a single batch of elder Dragons who once made an alliance of convenience and made it work, thereby making their lesser brood grow used to cooperation because Big Dragon Says To Do This Project Together.
Right?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
My first reaction was "how can they work together for centuries without being social in the first place?" but then I realized that this isn't generations of naturally antisocial creatures working together until their culture shifted, it's a single batch of elder Dragons who once made an alliance of convenience and made it work, thereby making their lesser brood grow used to cooperation because Big Dragon Says To Do This Project Together.
Right?
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Pretty much, 'do what I say for face the flames', and even that would not have worked save for the grave insult dealt to all their kindred by trying to enslave them. They were united by the dream and the dream sang back its hatred of the Void to them.
 
DragonParadox said:
Pretty much, 'do what I say for face the flames', and even that would not have worked save for the grave insult dealt to all their kindred by trying to enslave them. They were united by the dream and the dream sang back its hatred of the Void to them.
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What exactly is the Dragon Dream? What do we know about it? It's the source of our own magic, and it's what we used to make our own dragons, but what do we know about who made it? Who rules it?
 
Duesal said:
What exactly is the Dragon Dream? What do we know about it? It's the source of our own magic, and it's what we used to make our own dragons, but what do we know about who made it? Who rules it?
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The Dragon Dream is the shared consciousness of all dragons living and dead, stretching back to their progenitor gods, every dragon has his or her own self and mind but where these vast dreaming minds that often wondered the dreamands for decades of centuries overlapped there is the dragon dream. Dragons do not follow the River of Souls in death, they have no interest in being judged to some divine standard.

For them death and dreaming blur, thoughts mingle and meander until an ocean of memory and knowledge is born, very much alive, though not necessarily sentient, from which young dragons drink their fill of knowledge before they add to it in death. No one rules the dream, not even the Dragon Gods because it is far vaster than them and being invested with the will of their children resists all claims of utter dominance. They are simply the biggest fish in the proverbial sea.

Anyway good night guys see you tomorrow as I can hopefully polish off note taking and start writing again (and post that interlude).
 
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DragonParadox said:
The Dragon Dream is the shared consciousness of all dragons living and dead, stretching back to their progenitor gods, every dragon has his or her own self and mind but where these vast dreaming minds that often wondered the dreamands for decades of centuries overlapped there is the dragon dream. Dragons do not follow the River of Souls in death, they have no interest in being judged to some divine standard.

For them death and dreaming blur, thoughts mingle and meander until an ocean of memory and knowledge is born, very much alive, though not necessarily sentient, from which young dragons drink their fill of knowledge before they add to it in death. No one rules the dream, not even the Dragon Gods because it is far vaster than them and being invested with the will of their children resists all claims of utter dominance. They are simply the biggest fish in the proverbial sea.

Anyway good night guys see you tomorrow as I can hopefully polish off note taking and start writing again (and post that interlude).
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Good night.
Question for you when you wake up. Can we use it to recreate the golden dragons and other good dragons.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Dragon Dream is the shared consciousness of all dragons living and dead, stretching back to their progenitor gods, every dragon has his or her own self and mind but where these vast dreaming minds that often wondered the dreamands for decades of centuries overlapped there is the dragon dream. Dragons do not follow the River of Souls in death, they have no interest in being judged to some divine standard.

For them death and dreaming blur, thoughts mingle and meander until an ocean of memory and knowledge is born, very much alive, though not necessarily sentient, from which young dragons drink their fill of knowledge before they add to it in death. No one rules the dream, not even the Dragon Gods because it is far vaster than them and being invested with the will of their children resists all claims of utter dominance. They are simply the biggest fish in the proverbial sea.

Anyway good night guys see you tomorrow as I can hopefully polish off note taking and start writing again (and post that interlude).
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It's a shame we can't really loot things from the dreamlands. That sounds like a lot of sacrifices hanging out in there.
 
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