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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Have a Crown fund set up, with an explicit purpose of paying institutions to the damages incurred during the actions of the Inquisition.
-[X] The fund's point would be to not have the Inquisition be boggled down in seeing who should be paid what, in case if destruction of property occurs.
-[X] Have very public crack-down on anyone trying to abuse the system, or scheme their way into leeching money off the fund by using the Inquisition as an excuse.
 
@DragonParadox I bet if you asked the House of Mirrors to run a search for people right now currently trying to defraud Viserys Targaryen, you would get a disconcerting number of responses/variations on the same divinations.

It's proof enough that you can't trust in human nature to lean on the side of angels when it comes to interactions between the state and the individual, even when the State is basically a fire breathing monster.
 
Also, guarantee you that this entire vote's premise is basically about how if the Inquisition burns down someone's home, even an upscale one, the cost is usually something as small as 500 IM for a successful local businessman's property.

But if they end up burning down the estate, and the extended family come forward claiming damages even if their father/uncle was a madman about to usher in a new era of darkness, they will cite the property lost (expensive paintings, statues, rugs, antiques) with ephemeral valuation in the tens of thousands of IM.

Basically we should absolutely not repay people for lost artwork or luxury commodities. But we absolutely should repay people for destroying vital infrastructure, or even just more practical personal property effects. I would be inclined to pay the cost of rebuilding a large countryside manse, to be honest, but I would be extremely reluctant to allow grifters to mention the priceless painting by X or Y person which might very well have been a fake anyway.

How I would handle that @DragonParadox BTW is basically to tell the person that since there is no proof of an object's value beyond the authenticity of direct examination and what private collectors are willing to pay, the Crown won't provide compensation for certain items. But the more obvious stuff, even paying to rebuild a mansion with exported high quality materials? I bet you it won't cost more than a couple thousand IM.

It deflects associations of the Inquisition as "HERE WE COME TO SAVE THE DAY" assholes who you're almost as unhappy to see as a demonic invasion, and reassures people that the Crown is interested in taking responsibility, but absolutely uninterested in getting ripped off.
 
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[X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
-[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.
 
Crake said:
Also, guarantee you that this entire vote's premise is basically about how if the Inquisition burns down someone's home, even an upscale one, the cost is usually something as small as 500 IM for a successful local businessman's property.

But if they end up burning down the estate, and the extended family come forward claiming damages even if their father/uncle was a madman about to usher in a new era of darkness, they will cite the property lost (expensive paintings, statues, rugs, antiques) with ephemeral valuation in the tens of thousands of IM.

Basically we should absolutely not repay people for lost artwork or luxury commodities. But we absolutely should repay people for destroying vital infrastructure, or even just more practical personal property effects. I would be inclined to pay the cost of rebuilding a large countryside manse, to be honest, but I would be extremely reluctant to allow grifters to mention the priceless painting by X or Y person which might very well have been a fake anyway.

How I would handle that @DragonParadox BTW is basically to tell the person that since there is no proof of an object's value beyond the authenticity of direct examination and what private collectors are willing to pay, the Crown won't provide compensation for certain items. But the more obvious stuff, even paying to rebuild a mansion with exported high quality materials? I bet you it won't cost more than a couple thousand IM.

It deflects associations of the Inquisition as "HERE WE COME TO SAVE THE DAY" assholes who you're almost as unhappy to see as a demonic invasion, and reassures people that the Crown is interested in taking responsibility, but absolutely uninterested in getting ripped off.
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With all of the resources at her disposal, I almost look forward to someone trying to get a scam past Alinor.
 
[X] egoo

As a government drone and someone working in budgeting and reporting, I would say it makes much more sense for the reparations to come out of a separate fund than the Inquisition's budget. I'm not all that concerned about the possibility of fraud as while there will be always be people trying to defraud the government it's still a statistical minority.

While it may seem more efficient for the reparations to come from the office of the Inquisition, the issue is that the amount they need to pay is actually out of their control (ie there may be 10 major incursions in one year and 0 in the next) this makes the budget extremely hard to calculate ahead of time. Thus, there may be years where the Inquisition's budget simply cannot take the hit and would need to apply to the crown for additional funding once they run out of money which will reduce their efficiency.

Additionally, while keeping property damage to a minimum is important "how much is this going to cost us?" shouldn't be a major concern for Inquisition agents when they carry out their duties as even a moment's hesitation can mean the difference between life and death.
 
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[X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
-[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys
 
Trickster314 said:
[X] egoo

As a government drone and someone working in budgeting and reporting, I would say it makes much more sense for the reparations to come out of a separate fund than the Inquisition's budget. I'm not all that concerned about the possibility of fraud as while there will be always be people trying to defraud the government it's still a statistical minority.

While it may seem more efficient for the reparations to come from the office of the Inquisition, the issue is that the amount they need to pay is actually out of their control (ie there may be 10 major incursions in one year and 0 in the next) this makes the budget extremely hard to calculate ahead of time. Thus, there may be years where the Inquisition's budget simply cannot take the hit and would need to apply to the crown for additional funding once they run out of money which will reduce their efficiency.

Additionally, while keeping property damage to a minimum is important "how much is this going to cost us?" shouldn't be a major concern for Inquisition agents when they carry out their duties as even a moment's hesitation can mean the difference between life and death.
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It's not like we're going to short the Inquisition budget. Given the importance of their role within the Imperium, their budget is basically however much they need it to be.
 
I'd rather have a separate organization setup to specifically investigate claims and handle repairs & reparations.
Considering all the conflicts we're going to have in the near future it seems like a good idea to establish one.
Maybe have it being an offshoot of the Inquisition and whatever organizations we have for engineering and finances?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Jul 7, 2020 at 8:38 AM, finished with 25 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
    -[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.
    [X] Have a Crown fund set up, with an explicit purpose of paying institutions to the damages incurred during the actions of the Inquisition.
    -[X] The fund's point would be to not have the Inquisition be boggled down in seeing who should be paid what, in case if destruction of property occurs.
    -[X] Have very public crack-down on anyone trying to abuse the system, or scheme their way into leeching money off the fund by using the Inquisition as an excuse.
    [X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
    [X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
    -[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.
    -[X] Establish guidelines for reparations: No one in any way truly complicit with enemies of the state would receive any. No one losing less than 25% of their assets would receive reparations, unless such would place them in penury. Preference for reparations granted to any who actually aided the Inquisition. In major incursions, any responsibility would not be the Inquisitions, but the Crowns (to determine how to proceed, without a set-in-stone obligation).
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[X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
-[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.

You know, I recall a case where a shoplifter was cornered in a suburban house by police. Said police demolished said house and never paid the family for damages?
 
[X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
-[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.
 
[X] That the inquisition should pay reparations for damaged property during the enactment of their duties (costs usually small but can increase dramatically in case of stopping a major incursion)
-[X] Reparations in excess of 1,000 IM require direct approval by Alinor or Viserys.
 
Y'all throwing unnecessary worries about money onto our Inquisitors, imo.
Let them burn shit as they please, we have enough money to repay whoever gets their shit burned down.
 
[X] egoo

I'd rather we let the inquisition work as intended and have a separate branch full of Judge Devils running the thing.
 
[X] Have a Crown fund set up, with an explicit purpose of paying restitutions to the damages incurred during the actions of the Inquisition.
-[X] The fund's point would be to not have the Inquisition be boggled down in seeing who should be paid what, in case if destruction of property occurs.
-[X] Have very public crack-down on anyone trying to abuse the system, or scheme their way into leeching money off the fund by using the Inquisition as an excuse.
 
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