A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

MTB · Mar 25, 2020

[X] Goldfish
@DragonParadox - thanks for 4 years of unrelenting work, resulting in lots of feelings (most positive).

Artemis1992 · Mar 25, 2020

[X] Goldfish

DragonParadox · Mar 25, 2020

So, looking at the winning vote I just realized there might be some confusion with this, Agha was not the one who came up with the Cypher, he got it from the Fakir's loot (that's why the kytons were lurking about there). Agha himself is no kind of ward-maker.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Azel said:
@egoo, @Goldfish, here my proposal for Mold deployments for our current Undead forces:

Base costs:
- Greater Blood Clot Mold - 57,600 IM
- Blood Clot Mold - 9,600 IM
- Necrotic Mold - 900 IM

Iron Isles Force:
- 2x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 5x Blood Clot Mold - 3x for Swarmhost Titanoboas, 2x for Greater Bloodsharks
- 22x Necrotic Mold - 6x for Swarmhost Hetkoshou, 16x for Bloodshark, 8x for Snatching Terrors
Total: 190,200 IM

With Dimension Door, the Necro-Kraken is becoming stupendously deadly and makes for a great chassis to help immobilize, say, an Ulitharid, and to have the Mold take it over. We could also start snatching up interesting fleshforging experiments that way.

Gogossos Defense Force:
- 7x Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Black Champions, 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 15x Necrotic Mold - 10x for Snatching Terrors, 5x for Black Brutes
Total: 80,700 IM

With the Fleshcrafters and all the other horrors lurking within the facility there's less of a need for high-power casters here, so focusing on providing officer equivalents for the undead forces with some spellcasting.

Deep One Preparations:
- 5x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Necro-Kraken
- 10x Blood Clot Mold - 10x for Black Brutes (aquatic)
Total: 384,000 IM

More teleporting murder Kraken! And officers.

Will add these to the forge-order then, once I'm able.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Azel said:
2x for Necro-Kraken

"2x" means "and 2 necro-crakens ordered too" or "2 of these per 1 already existing necro-craken"?
Just checking, though I'm thinking it's the latter.

Artemis1992 · Mar 25, 2020

DragonParadox said:
So, looking at the winning vote I just realized there might be some confusion with this, Agha was not the one who came up with the Cypher, he got it from the Fakir's loot (that's why the kytons were lurking about there). Agha himself is no kind of ward-maker.

But he does still have the version not damaged by mind-to-mind transfer in his head, right?

DragonParadox · Mar 25, 2020

Artemis1992 said:
But he does still have the version not damaged by mind-to-mind transfer in his head, right?

It's likely yes.

Azel · Mar 25, 2020

egoo said:
"2x" means "and 2 necro-crakens ordered too" or "2 of these per 1 already existing necro-craken"?
Just checking, though I'm thinking it's the latter.

It's 2 molds ordered, to be deployed on the 2 Kraken.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

egoo said:
Total numbers:
467 Black Knights, (490 IM each) -- 228,830 IM.
560 Black Knights (mobility upgrade), (560 IM each) -- 313,600 IM.
104 Black Champions, (5,360 IM each) -- 567,840 IM.
955 Spitter Swarms, (60 IM each) -- 57,300 IM.
229 Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cats, (1,200 IM each) -- 274,800 IM.
280 Verdant Wolves, (1,200 IM each) -- 300,000 IM.
102 Advanced Druid Lotus Leshy, (2,400 IM each) -- 244,800 IM.
55 Druid Creature Treants, (4,800 IM each) -- 264,000 IM.
690 Verdant Kingfishers, (300 IM each) -- 207,000 IM.
69 Verdant Ravens [Advanced Plant-Imbued Giant Raven (w/+4 Racial HD)] CR 6, 6 HD, (1,200 IM each) -- 82,800 IM
150 Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy, (4,800 IM each) -- 720,000 IM.
10 Necro-Krakens, (4,880 IM each) -- 48,800 IM.
50 Spitter Swarms (Aquatic) - (60 IM each) -- 3,000 IM.
75 Advanced Druid Creature Seaweed Leshy, CR 6, 4 HD (1,200 IM each) -- 90,000 IM.
10 Advanced Plant-Imbued Sea Drake, CR 10, 7 HD (4,800 IM each) -- 24,000 IM.
20 Amphibious Quickling Vinespawn (CR 10, 12 HD) - 4,800 IM each (96,000 IM total).
10 Kelp Golems (Reskinned Aquatic Pumpkin Golem), CR 8, 8 HD (2,400 IM each) -- 48,000 IM.
10 Very Old Myrkdreki Dragons, CR 15 (28,800 IM each) -- 288,000 IM.
21 Wyrmling Myrkdreki Dragons, CR 3 (450 IM each) - 9,000 IM.
284 Tuogou, CR 4 (600 IM each) -- 170,400 IM.
7 Greater Blood Clot Molds (57,600 IM each) -- 403,200 IM.
22 Blood Clot Molds (9,600 IM each) -- 211,200 IM.
37 Necrotic Molds (900 IM each) -- 33,000 IM.

Total Price: 4,615,680 IM.

Azel's planned creations added.

Question:
Shall I add anything else to the "Iron Isles" defense-force?
I'm thinking Myrdreki dragons, shadow-cats, lots of undead knights...

Currently it's but:

egoo said:
Iron Isles
[] 2 Greater Blood Clot Molds - 57,600 IM each - 2x for Necro-Kraken (115,200 IM total).
[] 5 Blood Clot Molds - 9,600 IM each - 3 for Swarmhost Titanoboas, 2 for Greater Bloodsharks (48,000 IM total).
[] 22 Necrotic Molds - 900 IM each - 6 for Swarmhost Hetkoshou, 16 for Bloodshark, 8 for Snatching Terrors (19,800 IM total).

and Rodrik's personal guard:

egoo said:
--[] Rodrick "the Reader" - 3 Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cats (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 6 HD), 1,200 IM each, 1 Advanced Sorcerer Creature Snapdragon Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) (CR 10, 14 HD) - 4,800 IM, 3 Black Champions - 5,360 IM each, 1 Necro-Kraken (in a bag) - 4,880 IM.

in this order.

Azel said:
on the 2 Kraken

Whom did we have had assigned to Iron Isles, and when? I tried looking but kinda failed.
I feel like we need a dedicated post for "who's assigned where" nowadays :/

Azel · Mar 25, 2020

egoo said:
Whom did we have had assigned to Iron Isles, and when? I tried looking but kinda failed.
I feel like we need a dedicated post for "who's assigned where" nowadays :/

The original Iron Isles force, which is scheduled to be delivered at the end of this month, though realistically should be delayed until the beginning of the next to add the Molds, is here:

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And yes, a big "who is where" post would be best at this rate.

DragonParadox · Mar 25, 2020

Vote closed.

Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 25, 2020 at 5:21 AM, finished with 36 posts and 14 votes.

14 people have voted
[X] Keep it secret for now. We will consider bringing Silas in on the secret should other options fail.
-[X] First attempt to Resurrect Agha so that he can share a more complete version of the ward-break with us, along with any other relevant information. We can pay him well for the information, in addition to restoring his life.
-[X] Research the feasibility of trying to bring in other mages knowledgeable in the construction or removal of wards who might be able to exploit the passage. This would involve trying to learn more of the Wallmakers, the magic they wield, and any idiosyncrasies of the wards themselves.
- Goldfish
- Crake
- One Autumn Leaf
- silvanknight
- Annatar
- Duesal
- egoo
- Smartphone
- Absylon Quilby
- Andy0915
- Jack vile Ripper
- Othan763
- MTB
- Artemis1992

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Azel said:
And yes, a big "who is where" post would be best at this rate.

I'll do one once we place the abovementioned order, then. It is largely about who's guarding what, anyway.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Question:
We have the following stuff "guarding" Set'Var (the Snekropolis we fought the Oblivion in)

Duesal said:
1 Mezlan Guardian
2 Siege Serpents
6 Livestones
30 Emerald Oozes
26 Dispas* (Ozmond is a dispa advanced to 10HD and thus large)
18 Mercury Oozes
1 Stone Puddings
10 Gelatinous Cubes

Considering it's in general disrepair, and we aren't going to do anything about the Drow/Lolth anywhen soon, do we want any more forces there? Or any forces whatsoever?

@DragonParadox,
1) Did Riz'neth start on moving everything out of the Necropolis, or were the eggs only capable of being hatched in there?
...Was there any interest in keeping the installation at all, actually? I generally cannot remember.
2) If he did/didn't, what goes for the oozes?
3) What is the state of the eggs, are any of the below hatching by now?

Duesal said:
312 Common Serpentfolk Eggs (Sun-Walker)
71 Hidden Fang Serpentfolk Eggs
52 Brood Guard Serpentfolk Eggs (Black Scale Advanced template, no SLAs or ability to use arcane or divine magic)
43 Thirsting One Serpentfolk Eggs
28 Naga-Blooded Serpentfolk Eggs

Note: All SLAs are arcane and not psionic

Goldfish · Mar 25, 2020

Azel said:
@egoo, @Goldfish, here my proposal for Mold deployments for our current Undead forces:

Base costs:
- Greater Blood Clot Mold - 57,600 IM
- Blood Clot Mold - 9,600 IM
- Necrotic Mold - 900 IM

Iron Isles Force:
- 2x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 5x Blood Clot Mold - 3x for Swarmhost Titanoboas, 2x for Greater Bloodsharks
- 22x Necrotic Mold - 6x for Swarmhost Hetkoshou, 16x for Bloodshark, 8x for Snatching Terrors
Total: 190,200 IM

With Dimension Door, the Necro-Kraken is becoming stupendously deadly and makes for a great chassis to help immobilize, say, an Ulitharid, and to have the Mold take it over. We could also start snatching up interesting fleshforging experiments that way.

Gogossos Defense Force:
- 7x Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Black Champions, 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 15x Necrotic Mold - 10x for Snatching Terrors, 5x for Black Brutes
Total: 80,700 IM

With the Fleshcrafters and all the other horrors lurking within the facility there's less of a need for high-power casters here, so focusing on providing officer equivalents for the undead forces with some spellcasting.

Deep One Preparations:
- 5x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Necro-Kraken
- 10x Blood Clot Mold - 10x for Black Brutes (aquatic)
Total: 384,000 IM

More teleporting murder Kraken! And officers.

I've added a link to your Necrotic Mold and Blood Clot variants page to the Forge Mechanics page.

Fungus Forge:

Location: Lys
Date Acquired: Twenty-First Day of the First Month 293 AC
CR Limit: 10 (caster level of spellcasting creatures cannot exceed 10th level and spells cannot exceed 5th level)
Available Non-Standard Plant Lifeforms:

Flesh Forge:

Location: Gogossos
Date Acquired: Seventeenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC
CR Limit: 15 (caster level of spellcasting creatures cannot exceed 15th level and spells cannot exceed 5th level)
Available Draconic Lifeforms: Draconian, Dragons, Imperial Kobold, Spellscale

Forge Recycling Mechanics: As part of a Forge order, preserved corpses can be used to offset or completely negate the cost of growing new creatures. This mechanic allows for corpse Hit Dice to be used on a 3 HD-to-1 CR ratio when growing new creatures, with the caveat that the maximum Challenge Rating of such creatures is equal to 1/3rd the CR of the highest CR corpse used in that particular order. For example, an order placed using a CR 18 corpse and a total of 300 corpse HD could grow up to 100 CR 6 creatures.

Notable Forge Templates: Advanced (+1 CR), Aquatic Creature (+0 CR), Aqueous (+0 or +1 CR), Blood Magic Creature (+2 CR), Cleric Creature (+1, +2, or +3 CR), Commando Construct (Bio-Constructs Only) (+1 or +2 CR), Dire Creature (+2 CR), *Dragon-based Templates, Druid Creature (+1, +2, or +3 CR), **Fire-based Templates, Giant (+1 CR), Gigantean (CR Varies), Magebred Animal (+1 CR), Mighty (+5 CR), ***Plant-based Templates (Fungal Forge Only), Primitive (+1 CR), Quickling (+3 CR), Shadow Animal (+1 or +2 CR), Shadow Creature (+1 CR), Sorcerer Creature (+1, +2, or +3 CR), Vahana (+2 CR), Wizard Creature (+1, +2, or +3 CR)

Deep Dragon (+2 CR), Draconic Creature (+1 CR), Feral Dragon (-CR Varies), Half-Dragon (+2 CR)

Fiery Creature (+0 or +1 CR), Fire Creature (+2 CR), Fire-Infused Creature (+1 CR), Fire-Souled Creature (+1 CR), Flame-Spawned Creature (+1 or +2 CR)

Bladeleaf Creature (minus elemental immunities) (+1 CR), Flesh-Plant (+1 CR), Fungal (+1 CR), Fungoid (+1 CR), Greenbound (+2 CR, Alteration: +4 Strength instead of +6, -2 Dexterity instead of +2), Green Warden (+2 CR), Moss Lich (+2 CR), Plant-Imbued Creature (+2 or +3 CR), Plantblood (+1 CR), Thorny (+1 CR), Woodling (+2 CR), Wood Element Creature (+1 CR)

Notable Forge Creature Types: Necrotic Mold (w/Blood Clot variants), Undead/Necrocraft

Forge-Grown Creature Costs:
CR 1: 225 IM
CR 2: 300 IM
CR 3: 450 IM
CR 4: 600 IM
CR 5: 900 IM
CR 6: 1,200 IM
CR 7: 1,800 IM
CR 8: 2,400 IM
CR 9: 3,600 IM
CR 10: 4,800 IM
CR 11: 7,200 IM
CR 12: 9,600 IM
CR 13: 14,400 IM
CR 14: 19,200 IM
CR 15: 28,800 IM

Something else to keep in mind with a Greater Blood Clot using Dimension Door on itself and its host is that, at 15th caster level, it can transport up to five Medium-sized passengers. A Large counts for two Mediums and a Huge counts for two Larges. It's bad enough to drop a Greater Blood Clot controlled Necro-Kraken on an enemy, it's even worse to do so along with five Black Champions.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Duesal said:
2 Death Worms

@Duesal, any idea when/for what we used these up?

Tried looking them up, but failed to find any vote mentioning them.
Like, at all.

Azel · Mar 25, 2020

@egoo, please take not that I used wrong prices. This is there corrected list:

Azel said:
@egoo, @Goldfish, here my proposal for Mold deployments for our current Undead forces:

Base costs:
- Greater Blood Clot Mold - 28,800 IM
- Blood Clot Mold - 4,800 IM
- Necrotic Mold - 450 IM

Iron Isles Force:
- 2x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 5x Blood Clot Mold - 3x for Swarmhost Titanoboas, 2x for Greater Bloodsharks
- 22x Necrotic Mold - 6x for Swarmhost Hetkoshou, 16x for Bloodshark, 8x for Snatching Terrors
Total: 91,500 IM

With Dimension Door, the Necro-Kraken is becoming stupendously deadly and makes for a great chassis to help immobilize, say, an Ulitharid, and to have the Mold take it over. We could also start snatching up interesting fleshforging experiments that way.

Gogossos Defense Force:
- 7x Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Black Champions, 2x for Necro-Kraken
- 15x Necrotic Mold - 10x for Snatching Terrors, 5x for Black Brutes
Total: 40,350 IM

With the Fleshcrafters and all the other horrors lurking within the facility there's less of a need for high-power casters here, so focusing on providing officer equivalents for the undead forces with some spellcasting.

Deep One Preparations:
- 5x Greater Blood Clot Mold - 5x for Necro-Kraken
- 10x Blood Clot Mold - 10x for Black Brutes (aquatic)
Total: 192,000 IM

More teleporting murder Kraken! And officers.

Goldfish said:
Something else to keep in mind with a Greater Blood Clot using Dimension Door on itself and its host is that, at 15th caster level, it can transport up to five Medium-sized passengers. A Large counts for two Mediums and a Huge counts for two Larges. It's bad enough to drop a Greater Blood Clot controlled Necro-Kraken on an enemy, it's even worse to do so along with five Black Champions.

Invisible Necro-Kraken, @Goldfish. Invisible Necro-Kraken.

Using Greater Invisibility of course, because otherwise the fun party game of Guess-The-Barbed-Tentacles-Position would be over far too soon. 👌

Crake · Mar 25, 2020

I don't understand. Who is supposed to be unleashing horrific experiments the product of mad science upon whom, now?

I am sensing multiple cries of "BULLSHIT!" in fluctuating thought patterns right now.

Rovos · Mar 25, 2020

Crake said:
I don't understand. Who is supposed to be unleashing horrific experiments the product of mad science upon whom, now?

I am sensing multiple cries of "BULLSHIT!" in fluctuating thought patterns right now.

i mean it's only fair that we started doing so they had thousands of years head start, just becouse we are better doesn't make it bullshit

Crake · Mar 25, 2020

Well, I don't know about better, but our bullshit is quantifiably still pretty bullshit. What kind of enemy doesn't have the decency to make their inhumane experiments susceptible to mental domination?!

Duesal · Mar 25, 2020

egoo said:
@Duesal, any idea when/for what we used these up?

Tried looking them up, but failed to find any vote mentioning them.
Like, at all.

That's because there was no vote on them. Vee has yet to train them.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Azel said:
@egoo, please take not that I used wrong prices. This is there corrected list:

Well, that kinda sucks. WIll edit these later, then.

egoo · Mar 25, 2020

Duesal said:
That's because there was no vote on them. Vee has yet to train them.

Ah, fair nuff', I kinda thought we'd have either sacrificed them (something something some Worm somewhen had a Herokiller template), or R&D'd for those braidings of theirs.
Bah, no matter, long as they are actually kept track of. I just thought they disappeared off the radar entirely.
Thanks.

MTB · Mar 25, 2020

Crake said:
I don't understand. Who is supposed to be unleashing horrific experiments the product of mad science upon whom, now?

I am sensing multiple cries of "BULLSHIT!" in fluctuating thought patterns right now.

Our counter strike for the Deep One retaliation I guess.
//
Still hoping the Other's don't pull a 'Undead belong to Us, what rules?' later on.

Azel · Mar 25, 2020

Crake said:
Well, I don't know about better, but our bullshit is quantifiably still pretty bullshit. What kind of enemy doesn't have the decency to make their inhumane experiments susceptible to mental domination?!

Since the Illithid have access to stuff like the Eldritch template they can definitely make even worse things, but I'm pretty content with my efforts to close the Abomination Gap.

Crake · Mar 25, 2020

MTB said:
Our counter strike for the Deep One retaliation I guess.
//
Still hoping the Other's don't pull a 'Undead belong to Us, what rules?' later on.

They would specifically need bullshit to deal with Turn Resistance mechanics, not just unlimited (or functionally unlimited) Undead control. The biggest limits on Necromancers' armies is that number of undead they can control at one time.

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