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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
A man comes up to you in your home after just breaking the door down. They stab you forty-seven times and then crush your head into a thousand tiny pieces, then piss on the corpse and set it on fire, burning your house down and leaving only your tiny ass cabin in the woods out in the country to your grand kids when you used to own a mansion.

Later, down the road, a shady businessman who wears way too many gold wristwatches comes up to your grand-kids and says this chap would make a really good home defense contractor and that they would be more than happy to do the work for free to make up for some previous nastiness, because "it's all in the past".

Not the least cumbersome analogy, but sufficient to the evil of the day, and all that.
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A better analogy would be having the first half of the analogy be the same, but have the second half changed to the house being in an active warzone, we aren't charging them with protecting a random Heart Tree, we are charging them with protecting a Heart Tree in Hellven, somewhere Azel described as being as dangerous as the Abyss.

And there would of course be a contract involved, that define a heavy forfeit the Seven have to pay, if they fail to protect the Heart Tree, or at least if they're deemed to not have done their best in its protection.
One Autumn Leaf said:
It is interesting to me that you think that would be enough. They burned down hundreds of trees. We have been told that they can't grow all the trees the Seven burned down in one lifetime. And you think that protecting one tree in the ruins of Heaven is going to change all that. The price you are offering as reparations is so small in comparison to the crimes committed that the Old Gods might actually be insulted by it.
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I'm also planning on inflicting some damage on the Seven of course, protecting the Tree would be the part of the reparations they willingly pay, after we forcibly carved out the more bloody reparations.

And it's not exactly a small task, as Azel said the wilderness of Hellven is a place Pit Lords occasionally go missing, and the Seven have to protect a Tree growing there, that's no easy task, that's a need multiple CR20 protectors task.
 
tarrangar said:
I'm also planning on inflicting some damage on the Seven of course, protecting the Tree would be the part of the reparations they willingly pay, after we forcibly carved out the more bloody reparations.

And it's not exactly a small task, as Azel said the wilderness of Hellven is a place Pit Lords occasionally go missing, and the Seven have to protect a Tree growing there, that's no easy task, that's a need multiple CR20 protectors task.
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Okay. Go into the specifics of the reparations in detail. The way I see it, the reparations you have offered side on the extremely merciful and favourable towards the Seven. So what is your plan?
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Okay. Go into the specifics of the reparations in detail. The way I see it, the reparations you have offered side on the extremely merciful and favourable towards the Seven. So what is your plan?
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They have to station multiple top level angels to protect the Tree, the kind of power that can conquer nations with ease, this will include Lucan, and enough of their servants, that the combined CR of the beings protecting the Tree is at least CR23(this can be negotiated upwards if necessary) the force they are to station to protect the Tree, has to be significant enough, that the Seven can actually feel it.
 
zxzx24 said:
I meant put a heartree IN heavens shore.

Putting one in the "wilderness" is kind of crazy.
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Problem is that we are likely to get Asmodeus pissed at us, we don't want to put a Heart Tree in Heaven's Shore, only for Asmodeus to Outlaw old gods worship and cut it down.

Although we should probably read up on Heaven's Shore's law, Heaven Shore isn't 100% under Asmodeus control after all, so depending on whether Asmodeus legally can just outlaw a religion, due to said religion working with his enemies, we might be able to plant a Heart Tree in Heaven's Shore.

So yeah we should actually read up on Heaven's Shore's laws, it might turn out that they are hands off with regards to gods, and it take a lot more than a religion being against Hell, for it to be outlawed in Heaven's Shore.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
That is controlled by Asmodeus, isn't it? I don't want his attention
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065tdsa said:
I would argue that which is more dangerous depends on how pissed off Asmodeus is with you. And we're certainly working on that.
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Depends. We'd have to have somebody walk around the temple district and see which buildings haven't been burned down.

(most of them)

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Much like Viserys. Asmodeus has better shit to do. He has a minion in charge of protecting and advancing his interests in heavens shore. They are your main obstacle. If they decided to be an obstacle here.
 
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tarrangar said:
They have to station multiple top level angels to protect the Tree, the kind of power that can conquer nations with ease, this will include Lucan, and enough of their servants, that the combined CR of the beings protecting the Tree is at least CR23(this can be negotiated upwards if necessary) the force they are to station to protect the Tree, has to be significant enough, that the Seven can actually feel it.
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To protect one tree? Yeah no. Not nearly enough. If this is all you are suggesting then we are miles apart.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
To protect one tree? Yeah no. Not nearly enough. If this is all you are suggesting then we are miles apart.
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That's what I'm suggesting in regard to that idea, we are still going to be destroying some Septs, ending some Andal lines(or converting them to the old gods) and generally inflicting some humiliation on the Seven, this is the reparation we make them pay, after we have already inflicted some defeats on them in the invasion.
 
tarrangar said:
Problem is that we are likely to get Asmodeus pissed at us, we don't want to put a Heart Tree in Heaven's Shore, only for Asmodeus to Outlaw old gods worship and cut it down.

Although we should probably read up on Heaven's Shore's law, Heaven Shore isn't 100% under Asmodeus control after all, so depending on whether Asmodeus legally can just outlaw a religion, due to said religion working with his enemies, we might be able to plant a Heart Tree in Heaven's Shore.

So yeah we should actually read up on Heaven's Shore's laws, it might turn out that they are hands off with regards to gods, and it take a lot more than a religion being against Hell, for it to be outlawed in Heaven's Shore.
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The most pertinent part:
Azel said:
Since you have turbo-read the abbreviated version of the laws, Viserys knows this.

Heaven has a firm division of power. Legislative power is held by Ezekihdich, the Lord of Heaven. Judicative power is held by Asmomellech, who heads the Office of Taxation. Executive power rests in the hands of Malphas the Cold Flame, commander of the Legion of Heaven, which is the garrison.

There are obviously some overlapping things, like Malphas heading military justice, Asmomellech regulating thr minutia of taxation and Ezekihdich having something called the Order of Heavenly Purity, but mostly it's working like that.

Edit: Also, Malphas is a Gellughon.
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Outlawing religions would be Ezekihdichs prerogative, unless that religion is actively preparing a revolts or something, in which case Malphas would have jurisdiction to smite it into oblivion.
 
tarrangar said:
That's what I'm suggesting in regard to that idea, we are still going to be destroying some Septs, ending some Andal lines(or converting them to the old gods) and generally inflicting some humiliation on the Seven, this is the reparation we make them pay, after we have already inflicted some defeats on them in the invasion.
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Here is what I suggest.

1. We will have all of our vassals in Westeros (secret ones) swear an oath before the Weirwood to never intentionally harm a Weirwood. Both them and their descendants. And we will do this in blood. IE some bloodletting to signify this pact. No HD loss.

2. When the invasion begins, we will give a pronouncement to all the lords and septs of Westeros. Those who accept the surrender will make a similar offer as one above but with a loss to HD. No HD loss for kids. Rewards those initially loyal and all that. Those who don't surrender will have their families wiped out. Except for the kids. The kids will swear an oath before the heart tree swearing their allegiance and the allegiance of their descendants to us and to the Old Gods as well as abandoning their family names and swearing to never to claim them back. Bloodline ended. No HD loss. The sons will be given holdfasts far away in Essos away from their homes and have marriages arranged for them with loyal servants. We will also grow them a heart tree to signify this as well as keep an eye on them. The daughters will have marriages arranged for them to loyal lords in Westeros or Essos.

3. Every sept will be given an offer of repentance towards the Old Gods which they will pay with blood (loss of HD) or magical items. Either or. All septs will swear the same as the lords. Those who do not will be burned to the ground, their Septon's sacrificed and their sept burned. In the place will be a weir wood tree.

That will be my peace for the human part of the faith. Not for the superhuman part. The superhuman part needs some thinking.
 
By the way, I'm going to insist at some point visiting that Uniila. We paid for that info, so I want to know what is happening around the upper and lower planes.
 
Azel said:
Outlawing religions would be Ezekihdichs prerogative, unless that religion is actively preparing a revolts or something, in which case Malphas would have jurisdiction to smite it into oblivion.

Ok now I really want to send some of our minions, to request permission to plant a Heart Tree in Heaven's Shore, if they say yes, then that should be that, as long as we make sure to not involve the old gods, in whatever politics we play in Heaven's Shore.
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So basically if we convince Ezekihdich to allow us to plant a Heart Tree, so long as we don't fight Baator in Heaven's Shore, there should be no chance of them revoking the permission for the Tree to be planted there?
One Autumn Leaf said:
Here is what I suggest.

1. We will have all of our vassals in Westeros (secret ones) swear an oath before the Weirwood to never intentionally harm a Weirwood. Both them and their descendants. And we will do this in blood. IE some bloodletting to signify this pact. No HD loss.

2. When the invasion begins, we will give a pronouncement to all the lords and septs of Westeros. Those who accept the surrender will make a similar offer as one above but with a loss to HD. No HD loss for kids. Rewards those initially loyal and all that. Those who don't surrender will have their families wiped out. Except for the kids. The kids will swear an oath before the heart tree swearing their allegiance and the allegiance of their descendants to us and to the Old Gods as well as abandoning their family names and swearing to never to claim them back. Bloodline ended. No HD loss. The sons will be given holdfasts far away in Essos away from their homes and have marriages arranged for them with loyal servants. We will also grow them a heart tree to signify this as well as keep an eye on them. The daughters will have marriages arranged for them to loyal lords in Westeros or Essos.

3. Every sept will be given an offer of repentance towards the Old Gods which they will pay with blood (loss of HD) or magical items. Either or. All septs will swear the same as the lords. Those who do not will be burned to the ground, their Septon's sacrificed and their sept burned. In the place will be a weir wood tree.

That will be my peace for the human part of the faith. Not for the superhuman part. The superhuman part needs some thinking.
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That's above even what the old god initially demanded, before we negotiated them down, the original demand was the ending of certain Andal lines in the Vale, as they were the ones who were the worst in the Andal Invasion, the destruction of some Septs, and the killing of a some holy men.

If that proposal was for the Vale only, it would only be slightly over the top, doing that for all of Westeros, is the kind of thing that will have the Seven, send Avatars to kill us and damn the consequences.

Your proposal is the kind of thing, the most bloodthirsty voices in the old gods want, not the kind of thing the guy we are actually doing it for want, we are doing this as a favor for uncle Bloodraven, and he just want the minimum necessary to calm the old gods down, while inflicting as little damage to the realm as possible.
 
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