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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
After the Worm has Tiamat and our concentrated forces are using her body as a punching bag, we can afford 1d2 rounds for an offer.

Keep in mind that Aegon rejecting Tiamat was always Varys' plan. For all his daring (going into madness) he wouldn't have bet on that for no good reason.
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People can argue for Varys' plan not being insane, but to me he was still betting on somehow weaseling his way out of deals with Tiamat and Mammon at the same time, having f!Aegon dismantle the Imperium and killing us and all the Companions, etc.

I don't really regard Varys as having had the best judgement.

Artemis1992 said:
It's not a good chance.

But he knows death is not permanent and I'm certain someone who had to work with Granny for an extended time will be happy for a chance to screw her over.
If we go maximum mythic charisma we might have a chance.
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If I was a cleric of Tiamat, and I firmly believed the throne was mine by right... and then my uncle and aunt showed up and all of a sudden everything I've worked to build is on fire, and the people who raised me are dead or soon-to-be dead, I'd spit on any offer they made no matter how much of a terrible boss Tiamat is. The offer might be rational, but it doesn't take emotional weight into account. f!Aegon would not be willing to work with us at this stage.

On a similar note, @DragonParadox, is Ashara dead yet? Last update you said the Mind Dragon would have killed her by now.
 
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Duesal said:
People can argue for Varys' plan not being insane, but to me he was still betting on somehow weaseling his way out of deals with Tiamat and Mammon at the same time, having f!Aegon dismantle the Imperium and killing us and all the Companions, etc.

I don't really regard Varys as having had the best judgement.
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Oh, he was insane, but he did understand people in his own way. He would have done something ASAP if he thought Aegon actually liked Tiamat enough to stick with her, not that that is very likely.
 
Crake said:
DP strongly implied my suspicion that "Aegon knows" his phony baloney claim isn't real was correct, and he was just playing it up for the sake of others.
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Still better than nothing.

Man, sometimes I wish that white doggo where still here. THis was their idea, the whole worm and saving Aegon thing.
I bet there has been an idea how to take this final step we need too, only it was never converted into writing here.
 
He may not give a shit about his supposed family but he does seem to care about the people we just beat the crap out of. We can certainly offer him to raise the dead and to allow him a life in obscurity somewhere if he survives the next bit, the question is if he'll believe us. Ironically, telling him he has a 50% chance of getting completely wrecked by the amulet may make it sound more believable as a deal.

We can also ignore him and make with wrecking Tiamat, that'd be easy by comparison.
 
065tdsa said:
He may not give a shit about his supposed family but he does seem to care about the people we just beat the crap out of. We can certainly offer him to raise the dead and to allow him a life in obscurity somewhere if he survives the next bit, the question is if he'll believe us. Ironically, telling him he has a 50% chance of getting completely wrecked by the amulet may make it sound more believable as a deal.

We can also ignore him, that'd be easy.
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I'm really not willing to raise this set of people.
 
065tdsa said:
and to allow him a life in obscurity somewhere if he survives the next bit
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That's not really an option.
He is not a regular person and he won't become one.

He's high-end PC, Chosen of a god and if he pulls this off hated by a god. He will not go quietly into the night.
This right now, is either the end of his story, or the beginning of the next story arc, but it certainly won't be the genre-change from a high fantasy epos into a sitcom.
 
065tdsa said:
I get you, they do not deserve it and we have better uses for diamonds, but it'd be a price I'd be willing to pay to hurt Tiamat even harder if it came to it.
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They'd also be hell to control afterwards. These are very powerful and hostile PCs. It isn't worth it to voluntarily have to deal with that.
 
Duesal said:
I'm really not willing to raise this set of people.
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I'd only do it for the cartoonish treachery of putting them all into books immediately afterwards.

It's the same reason we don't raise our brother Rhaegar or that prince that Nettles was in love with way back when she was alive. Some folks are too dangerous either politically, magically, physically, or just straight up too fucked up mentally to have running around like a bunch of jackasses.

We can maybe give them all a nice afterlife dream like we did for that idiot angel of an ancestor we had the misfortune of having to deal with, but that's probably the extent of the kindness we can reasonably be expected to give them.
 
So, ah, anyone has any ideas on what we could use to literally nail F!Aegon to Tiamat's Avatar before putting Well of Eternity on them?

Yes, I'm being greedy and I want to use both of them as conduits to draw her power from, given a chance.
Sue me, that's just efficiency. :tongue:

But for real, we'd likely lose whatever physical items we'd apply for that, and we'd need some really hardy stuff metaphysics-wise, too.

We have an Unravelling, a soul-eating Scythe of Others...
What other powerful "can nail a Cleric to it's deity"-grade stuff do we have, again..? @Goldfish?
 
Preliminary plan. Input appreciated.

[X] Plan "Hang in there..."
-[X] The death or capture of Aegon becomes the new priority target for Teams Malarys, Vee, and the assorted members of other teams (Harbinger, Erinyes, Mind Dragons, etc.). Vee hits him with Dimensional Lock and anyone who can use Dimensional Anchor tries to hit him with that as well.
-[X] Lya uses Harmonic Chorus on Viserys, raising his caster level and spell DCs by +2.
-[X] Teana uses Alter Fortune to assist Viserys, if necessary, them uses her Shadow Illusions augmented by Solid Shadows to defend the group to the best of her ability (duplicated Wall of Force, Wall of Stone, Wall of Scales, etc., whatever is most appropriate).
-[X] Dany uses Divine Defiance to Counterspell the next spell Tiamat casts then acts in whatever support capacity is most appropriate (Reached Heal, Dreamcast Wall of Scales, countering an attempt to Command Dragons via Turning, etc.) to help the group.
-[X] Richard and Sandor continue to ward their charges as previously decided.
-[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then uses Pronounceent of Fate against the Avatar via Miracle while canceling his Moment of Greatness buff to double the effects of Lya's Harmonic Chorus (caster level 24, or 36 to overcome SR [rolling twice and taking the higher result], Will save DC 37 for partial effect). He then expends one Mythic Power and his Amazing Initiative ability along with his Belt of Battle to use Wild Arcana to raise a 24th level Wall of Suppression between the Avatar and our group, shaping the 48 resulting 5-foot cubes as necessary to protect everyone. He uses his Ring of Spell-Battle to Counterspell before this, if necessary.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Since Viserys has telepathic bonds with the rest of the team

Yes she is dead.
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Seems significant enough to be included in the update in some fashion. She was the second most powerful cleric after f!Aegon.
egoo said:
So, ah, anyone has any ideas on what we could use to literally nail F!Aegon to Tiamat's Avatar before putting Well of Eternity on them?

Yes, I'm being greedy and I want to use both of them as conduits to draw her power from, given a chance.
Sue me, that's just efficiency. :tongue:

But for real, we'd likely lose whatever physical items we'd apply for that, and we'd need some really hardy stuff metaphysics-wise, too.

We have an Unravelling, a soul-eating Scythe of Others...
What other powerful "can nail a Cleric to it's deity"-grade stuff do we have, again..? @Goldfish?
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I don't think we're going to get the chance, it's probably going to have to be either f!Aegon or Tiamat.

[X] Goldfish
 
Artemis1992 said:
That's not really an option.
He is not a regular person and he won't become one.

He's high-end PC, Chosen of a god and if he pulls this off hated by a god. He will not go quietly into the night.
This right now, is either the end of his story, or the beginning of the next story arc, but it certainly won't be the genre-change from a high fantasy epos into a sitcom.
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Make that relative obscurity then. There's plenty of adventurers going around who don't do the really crazy stuff or try to become Kings. He could just go sign up for the fighting in the Plane of Earth where he's nicely out of the way for our purposes, and get paid tons of money for stomping easy assignments.

Mind you, I'm not saying it is likely but he could totally do it. Tiamat hardly has a ton of resources to invest hunting him as well as Dany and us.
 
Goldfish said:
Preliminary plan. Input appreciated.

[X] Plan "Hang in there..."
-[X] The death or capture of Aegon becomes the new priority target for Teams Malarys, Vee, and the assorted members of other teams (Harbinger, Erinyes, Mind Dragons, etc.). Vee hits him with Dimensional Lock and anyone who can use Dimensional Anchor tries to hit him with that as well.
-[X] Lya uses Assay Spell Resistance then targets the Avatar with an Antimagic Ray spell via Wild Arcana (caster level 23, 33 to overcome SR, Will save DC 27).
-[X] Teana uses Alter Fortune to assist Lya, if necessary, them uses her Shadow Illusions augmented by Solid Shadows to defend the group to the best of her ability (duplicated Wall of Force, Wall of Stone, Wall of Scales, etc., whatever is most appropriate).
-[X] Dany uses Divine Defiance to Counterspell the next spell Tiamat casts then acts in whatever support capacity is most appropriate (Reached Heal, Dreamcast Wall of Scales, countering an attempt to Command Dragons via Turning, etc.) to help the group.
-[X] Richard and Sandor continue to ward their charges as previously decided.
-[X] Viserys prepares to Counterspell or block any spell or ability the Avatar uses. He uses his Ring of Spell-Battle to Counterspell once, uses a Miracle to duplicate a Chain Dispel to Counterspell her next attempt or raise a barrier to block an ability if necessary, then he uses one Mythic Power and Amazing Initiative with his Belt of Battle to gain an additional casting to do so again (using two 8th level slots to power another Miracle, if necessary). And finally, if there is no other choice, he uses Celerity to gain one more chance to counter the Avatar's actions.
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Question, what's the benefit of Lya using a spell that is unlikely to work? Is it just literal lack of anything better to do? If so, fair enough. Might as well use something than nothing.
 
Artemis1992 said:
That means standing around, effectivly?
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Pretty much. Richard can inflict serious damage, even to the Avatar, but he doesn't have any business getting between it and Nirah. If it attacks him or Viserys, however, that will be the perfect time for him to act. As for Sandor, hopefully he'll sell his life dearly to protect Dany, if it comes to that.
Crake said:
Question, what's the benefit of Lya using a spell that is unlikely to work? Is it just literal lack of anything better to do? If so, fair enough. Might as well use something than nothing.
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Worst case, it needs a Nat 20 to succeed. Two attempts at that thanks to Alter Fortune is better than nothing, IMO. Even if Tiamat uses an action to block or counter the spell, that's helpful for us.

I'm open to suggestions, though.
 
@Goldfish
Lya could go for Pronouncement of Fate.
Even if it fails, which seems likely, the Avatar will have a 25% chance to loose her actions each round.
If it works, much better.

And that's beside the other penalties.
 
@Goldfish It seems to me that Pronouncement of Fate is much more useful to us situationally than a long-shot hail-mary. And in fact more likely to cause Tiamat to no-sell it, which as you stated is useful to us, rather than just weather it with her bullshit "you need a critical to succeed" saves.
 
Goldfish said:
-[X] Viserys prepares to Counterspell or block any spell or ability the Avatar uses. He uses his Ring of Spell-Battle to Counterspell once, uses a Miracle to duplicate a Chain Dispel to Counterspell her next attempt or raise a barrier to block an ability if necessary, then he uses one Mythic Power and Amazing Initiative with his Belt of Battle to gain an additional casting to do so again (using two 8th level slots to power another Miracle, if necessary). And finally, if there is no other choice, he uses Celerity to gain one more chance to counter the Avatar's actions.
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Just reread this part.

Are you really going to have Viserys style all over Tiamat next turn?

@DragonParadox I hope bullying isn't against the rules because if so... we are going to need to go into timeout after next turn, and Tiamat is spend her last turn roaming free throwing a tantrum. :V
 
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