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Miriam Webber's Peace Address to the Congress of the Commonwealth of Free Cities, December 18

I have travelled around the Commonwealth. I have spoken to refugees from across the continent. Labourers from Oklahoma. A fisherman from Miami. A lumberjack from the Japanese states - never did tell me which one.

And everyone I speak to, the sentiment is the same.

They are thankful, that our people give so generously. That our people offer food and board and work so readily.

But they grow tired of us, Congress, not giving them the same thought. They grow tired of being told to wait just a little longer, suffer just a short time more.

They are furious that the people of Detroit and Toledo have jumped the queue, become citizens at a time not a single refugee is eligible to do the same. They are outraged, that the hypocritical fear-mongering of the traitor Sperling worked and still works, that there are those who refuse to acknowledge that these people are not the assassins, spies or saboteurs that Sperling would have us fear.

They will not tolerate being pushed back forever. If we do not address this respectfully, responsibly, and comprehensively - if we do not pass the Refugee Act - then there will be violence.

But the Refugee Crisis is not the only crisis we face.

The Commonwealth is still grasped by food insecurity. The government policy of simply handing out equipment and subsidies and loans to farmers is insufficient. We need a coordinated, comprehensive, government-led overhaul of the agricultural sector, or we will continue to be reliant on the goodwill of our neighbours to feed our own citizens.

The slow progress of agricultural reforms is indicative of another problem - we are some 15 to 20 million people.

How many exactly? It's hard to say, because not every constituent that made up the founding of the Commonwealth held censuses. We haven't held one in the four years we've been a true government. At no point in the life of this government have we ever had a firm idea of how many people we govern.

Frankly, those who fear Sperling's phantom invaders should be scrambling all over themselves to get a census out, yet there never seems quite enough support for that to work out.

Why have we not yet resolved the refugee crisis? Why have we not yet resolved the food crisis? Why have we not yet held a census?

Because the Johnson Administration would rather spend considerable time, and considerable resources, stomping on the neck of an enemy we have already beaten!

We fought to defend Detroit, and we did so. We had the chance for peace - it was even the Victorians who instigated the peace talks. Yet we could not reach peace deal, and so the war not stop at Detroit.

Instead we fought to seize the Welland Canal. Our defence ministry insisted that this would bring the Victorians back to the table, a threat that could not be ignored.

And the Victorians ignored it. So we did not reach a peace deal, and the war did not stop at the Canal.

So we marched on Buffalo - and the citizens there have had family killed, lives upended, homes destroyed, because of it. This, we were told, would surely bring Victoria back to the negotiation table.

Well, where are they? How much further are we going to overextend, before we admit that we have gone further than we should have already?

We cannot continue to waste time, to waste resources, to draw away the focus of this administration with this pointless bloodshed!

I know that none of us really like our neighbour, but are we really so determined to burn their house down that we ignore our own home falling apart behind us?

I don't want to be mistaken for some kind of sympathiser, or apologist, but we have achieved everything we set out to achieve in this war and more.

Detroit is safe, and it has been brought into the fold. Victoria is maimed, and what's left of its army is busy fighting amongst itself.

There is no need for us to keep pushing. We lack the strength to destroy Victoria completely, and there is little point pretending otherwise.

Everything since the Battle of Detroit has been unnecessary bloodshed, a failure of this administration to achieve a reasonable peace deal with Victoria, despite their uncharacteristic willingness to play ball.

It is clear that this administration has lost sight of what we first set out to achieve. It has lost sight of all the problems pushed to the wayside to allow this campaign to continue. And if this administration cannot bring us back to the peace negotiations and end this farce, so that we can turn our attention, our time, and our resources, to the places they are truly needed, then it has lost my support.

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Late because I didn't want to be seen as dumping fuel on the prior debate, but this is (obv) set prior to the latest update
Canon! And thank you for your restraint, I sincerely appreciate it.
@PoptartProdigy Will this take place chronologically after our victory and everyone knows about our victory?
It will.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

Well, I'm satisfied. Honestly, I'm happier with leaving Buffalo to Victoria than if we had to prop up a wrecked city-state. This way we:
  1. Don't have to spread resources on a faraway vassal that Victoria wants to regain.
  2. Get to show that Victoria is paranoid enough that they will threaten pseudo-loyalists
  3. We get willing defectors. Good for PR.
  4. Other cities get proof that we will respect the opinions of their people, and allow for fair elections if they join us.
As a side note, I find it hilarious that Victoria is so counterproductively paranoid and fascist that even when we roll single-digits on a d100 PR roll, we still come out smelling like roses.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

oh god guys we need AP far more than we need artifacts.
 
Is there nothing we can do to make the buffalo diehards safer on return?
This is going to sound awful, but we should probably just leave them.

Either they're going to be fine, but probably worse off than the ones who voted to leave...
Or Victoria shoots themselves in the foot by purging the loyalist remnants of a city who voted to stay with them.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

I don't care about the AP. I just want the remaining military holdouts like Burns to come join due to our growing legitimacy and power. It may not be optimal but it'll be cool.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

The thing is, we're going in for the Midwest Conference and having some measure of symbolic riches is worth infinitely more in diplomatic talks like these... and at the most cynical, we can trade the Legitimacy for something that's 'un-American' later on.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
We still need libraries, army reform, and a shit ton more... I honestly think we should sell 'em.
Adhoc vote count started by Oshha on Feb 4, 2020 at 2:30 PM, finished with 54 posts and 36 votes.
 
Legitimacy is something that seems to be pretty easy to gain. AP is not, and we should take what ap we can to boost our post war economy.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
This is going to sound awful, but we should probably just leave them.

Either they're going to be fine, but probably worse off than the ones who voted to leave...
Or Victoria shoots themselves in the foot by purging the loyalist remnants of a city who voted to stay with them.
We do have to leave them. I was thinking asking one last time and making a public statement that they refused to go. It may not be enough but...
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

We can focus on gaining Legitimacy later. Personally, i don't really care for it right now. The influx of FCNY money will allow us to get a headstart on preparing the many, many sandwiches we need to eat in order to be ready for round 2 with Victoria.
 
Well. I'll admit it. Doubling down did work out in the end in this instance. Sorry for being such a negative guy, and sorry if I insulted anyone. I'm quite a pessimist by nature and quite risk adverse for good or ill.


[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

I'd say having actions now would give us a boost. Remember we also have the Declaration of Independence on our hands that we can reveal and get a massive dump of legitimacy when we need it.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
I am happy to be proven wrong. I do think that @picklepikkl is correct and that we can't expect things to always work out so nicely.
Honestly though?

The CFLP was right.

We dove straight in and put the people of Buffalo in the crosshairs when we werent in a position to actually protect them from Victorian retribution. Imagine what would have happened if they hadn't voted to stay?

It worked, this time, but I would like to be more methodical in our decisions in the future. That being said, this outcome is beyond my wildest dreams.
 
[ ] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
[ ] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.

Why doesn't selling get us Legitimacy as well? There is nothing more 'murican than selling shit for cash. Why do you hate capitalism?


Also, my big take away is that many, we would have saved ourselves so much trouble if we had had a better intelligence network. Granted, I don't blame us, the high-malus start has left us with a strong position and we've cleared away our malus's, but defiantly something I want to get on soon. Not least of which because I want to know when Victoria is going to break this treaty.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

Legitimacy is not inherently good, while AP is.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
The midwest conference will most likely give us a chance for greater AP. Legitimacy is much harder to get and it is useful diplomacy wise.
 
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