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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
Just went back and checked, Mahuroos Tepani gave us the mission on the 8th day of the 8th month, 293 AC. The time frame he gave us was six months or a little past that, depending on the vagaries of the war. That gives us between two and three months to launch the raid.

We've made a couple significant raids on the Efreeti since then, however, and the Djinn and Shaitan have hit them hard as well, along with their being continuing rebellions from their Salamander slaves. All that might have combined to push things back a small amount, but I wouldn't count on it.
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...so, 2nd or 3rd month to "start" the Efreeti-war is, then.

...honestly, I care less about Westeros boiling over, than about Efreeti managing to put themselves off the backfoot if we wait for too long.
Either via Devils (highly likely), or their Sultan trying to ascend (and maybe succeeding, if all are too slow).
Efreeti legitimately have potential to kill more of our subjects if we fuck around, than Westeros being Westeros does.


@Crake, @Goldfish, assuming we deal with Timmie well enough in this month, does the following sound reasonable then?

1st month - killing off Sarnori Undead' leaders and destroying Qohor's forge, halping with Efreeti War on one of the fronts, maybe a delve if DP actually writes up those Valyrian cities like he promised...
2nd month - trying to blitz Derp Ones in one month's time, going into the 3rd month if we aren't lucky.
(Hopefully) 3rd month - the raid on the city of Brass, likely a month of active engagements all-around afterwards in clean-up matters.
5th month (6th if the Squids are too much of dicks about things) - Westeros.

Edit: (I manage better if I have timetables of a sort, please do reciprocate)
 
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notbirdofprey said:
Why's Westeros going to boil over?
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Too many factions in that location working against one another. It is only matter of time before it boils over.
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Yep. We're already having to actively hold back rebellious elements who are chomping at the bit to launch the reconquest.

We've also established so many diplomatic ties among various houses in the Westerosi kingdoms that it's going to become obvious fairly soon that something has been happening in the background. As it is, if we didn't have Bloodraven puppeting the Varys!Simulacrum I doubt we would have held Westeros together for as long as we've already managed.
 
It is like that coup that Catherine the Great committed against her husband. We have slowly subsumed most of the guards. All it takes is one of them to ask a loyalist guard if they are in on the plot and off to the races we go.

Edit: We need to ask Bloodraven how much time he can give us actually.
 
Duesal said:
Court of Stars, Devils, Deep Ones, Others, Lannisters, etc. None of them are just going to be waiting patiently for us.
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...Conspiracy of Maesters, generally retarded Westerosi Lords, the Seven, whatever's the Eldritch Evil stored beneath the Red Keep...

Just to name a few more scheming dicks around.
:V
 
I love how we're so ambitious that we're like "yeah this war with cosmic powers and eldritch beings should only take a few months, tops."
 
Crake said:
This is seriously playing with fire. I will warn you all the way to the 4th month when it becomes apparent I'm right as we take actions in Westeros during that entire period.
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I'll take Westeros exploding and half people there dying over Efreeti getting stronger over time and/or managing to gather allies.

I may or may not be alone in that one.
I just see them as more of a threat to pretty much everything we have, including even loyal Westerosi Lords.

Efreeti war has a chance of ruining our existing economy if they get back up from where they are now, especially if Devils get involved.

We can hope for blitzing squids succeeding, but I won't bet against it taking upwards of 2 months.

We can hope the Efreeti war remains confined to other planes, and that they don't find any allies to get back up and push back Shaitan and Djinn- but we already know of them actively trading with Devils.

Ergo, I dont think we'll manage war on Westeros sooner than the 5th month, if we are lucky.

*sigh*
I may be just pessimistic about this. Hurray of so, I won't be disappoint by such predictions not coming true.
Until then though...


G'night everyone.
 
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So if I understand everything correctly:
  1. This month we deal with Tiamat.
  2. Then next month we hit the Brass Bastard where it will hurt in concert with our allies.
    1. Hopefully this will tip the balance sufficiently in our allies favor that we won't have serious long term commitments after this.
    2. Given the timeline the Vizer gave us, this needs to happen here or on the following month.
  3. The month after that we wipe out the Deep Ones (we have been preparing our aquatic forces for months, we should be ready) and prep for the war on Westeros (mostly administrative/bureaucratic so hopefully we can delegate a lot of the legwork);
    1. The deep ones will be handled our aquatic forces and high end pcs, which will give the legions time to prep for invading Westeros.
  4. Then we take Westeros (all hands on board);
    1. We are conquering an entire continent in a month, I have zero doubts that this will take everything we have even with the prep work we have done simply due to the scale of the undertaking. This is not to say that it will be difficult, just that we will be very busy.
    2. I would like to deal with this earlier, but with our other commitments I do not think we can do so without leaving us vulnerable to something more dangerous.
    3. In particular I want the deep ones dealt with before we start on this, so we can leverage uncontestable naval superiority.
  5. Then deal with the Sarnori Undead Leaders (mostly combat waged by the companions and other high level characters), diplomance the non slaver's bay holdouts in Essos (should be doable given our now unarguable power. They either negotiate now for good terms, force us to glass them by messing with doomsday weapons, or hold out and get crushed once we finish consolidating our holdings), and let the legions/baby pcs take care of the mop up in Westeros;
  6. Prep for slaver's bay (we are seeking to conquer a large and populous area, we will need time to get our legions in position); and lastly
  7. Resolve slaver's Bay, try and get it relatively intact. If we have to glass it, I will not be surprised given Asmodeus's influence. If we want to avoid glassing it, I suspect we need to move it up the list.
    1. Even if we do take it intact, occupying it will be difficult given how much of our forces are in Westeros, devilish resistance, and widespread local resistance.
    2. Seriously based on the books Ghiscari culture will be much harder for us to deal with than the Valyrian descended free cities as there is a history of cultural animus and they are even more invested in slavery.
Honestly my feeling is that given the sheer number of threats before us, something will go horribly wrong, it is really just picking which flavor of disaster we have to resolve.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Let's ask? It might be being used in the warfront though.
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JamesShazbond said:
Polar Ray's an 8th level spell, that shit's going to cost a fortune.
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Considering we're planning on directly pissing in the Grand Sultan's breakfast with what we're gonna do, that would be a very solid investment on our part.
Smartphone said:
So if I understand everything correctly:
  1. This month we deal with Tiamat.
  2. Then next month we hit the Brass Bastard where it will hurt in concert with our allies.
    1. Hopefully this will tip the balance sufficiently in our allies favor that we won't have serious long term commitments after this.
    2. Given the timeline the Vizer gave us, this needs to happen here or on the following month.
  3. The month after that we wipe out the Deep Ones (we have been preparing our aquatic forces for months, we should be ready) and prep for the war on Westeros (mostly administrative/bureaucratic so hopefully we can delegate a lot of the legwork);
    1. The deep ones will be handled our aquatic forces and high end pcs, which will give the legions time to prep for invading Westeros.
  4. Then we take Westeros (all hands on board);
    1. We are conquering an entire continent in a month, I have zero doubts that this will take everything we have even with the prep work we have done simply due to the scale of the undertaking. This is not to say that it will be difficult, just that we will be very busy.
    2. I would like to deal with this earlier, but with our other commitments I do not think we can do so without leaving us vulnerable to something more dangerous.
    3. In particular I want the deep ones dealt with before we start on this, so we can leverage uncontestable naval superiority.
  5. Then deal with the Sarnori Undead Leaders (mostly combat waged by the companions and other high level characters), diplomance the non slaver's bay holdouts in Essos (should be doable given our now unarguable power. They either negotiate now for good terms, force us to glass them by messing with doomsday weapons, or hold out and get crushed once we finish consolidating our holdings), and let the legions/baby pcs take care of the mop up in Westeros;
  6. Prep for slaver's bay (we are seeking to conquer a large and populous area, we will need time to get our legions in position); and lastly
  7. Resolve slaver's Bay, try and get it relatively intact. If we have to glass it, I will not be surprised given Asmodeus's influence. If we want to avoid glassing it, I suspect we need to move it up the list.
    1. Even if we do take it intact, occupying it will be difficult given how much of our forces are in Westeros, devilish resistance, and widespread local resistance.
    2. Seriously based on the books Ghiscari culture will be much harder for us to deal with than the Valyrian descended free cities as there is a history of cultural animus and they are even more invested in slavery.
Honestly my feeling is that given the sheer number of threats before us, something will go horribly wrong, it is really just picking which flavor of disaster we have to resolve.
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That's more or less the gist of it. Westeros is gonna be the most problematic due to all the moving parts and the various factions we have to suppress.
 
At will Polar Ray guns should be very rare, and already in full deployment.

Maybe we could commission some. But why would the efreeti not Ward themselves against that which they know they are vulnerable to? "Hit them with cold" is a tactic they should be more than well acquainted with.

Also, in unrelated news, we once more Walk The Razor's Edge.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
At will Polar Ray guns should be very rare, and already in full deployment.

Maybe we could commission some. But why would the efreeti not Ward themselves against that which they know they are vulnerable to? "Hit them with cold" is a tactic they should be more than well acquainted with.

Also, in unrelated news, we once more Walk The Razor's Edge.
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It's not like we wouldn't be using Dispel Magic against them. Doesn't hurt to commission it and have it in our arsenal.

Also items of Cold Immunity would be expensive enough that only their elites would have it. The regular soldiers wouldn't be that lucky.
 
Duesal said:
It's not like we wouldn't be using Dispel Magic against them. Doesn't hurt to commission it and have it in our arsenal.

Also items of Cold Immunity would be expensive enough that only their elites would have it. The regular soldiers wouldn't be that lucky.
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Conversely, a Polar Ray is likely overkill in anything short of an elite too. The immunity is also cheaper than the gun.

Besides which, they very likely figured things like "this area gives people Resist Cold X" out and have their transports and banners warded with it.

A simple Protection From Elements might eventually run out, but it's effectively a short duration immunity as well, and at level 3, should be very present.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
Conversely, a Polar Ray is likely overkill in anything short of an elite too. The immunity is also cheaper than the gun.

Besides which, they very likely figured things like "this area gives people Resist Cold X" out and have their transports and banners warded with it.

A simple Protection From Elements might eventually run out, but it's effectively a short duration immunity as well, and at level 3, should be very present.
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... I hope we loot all those transports and banners. Those sound perfect to exploit against the Others.
 
[X] Goldfish

I think that our current forced are insufficient to deal with the Deep Ones. They have more cities than we have WMDs, we don't have a delivery mechanism, and most of our cities can't resist a fuckhuge swarm of skum and sahaguin from the sea, let alone proper Spellcaster support.

We will have to invest a lot more resources into defending our major cities in the next few months, but also in devising means of attack.

Furthermore, if we keep making defensive alliances it may be best to let the Deep Ones strike first, no? It would be a mess, but we would get decent help out of it.
 
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