Great character interaction and world-building as always @Crake. Armandir and Glyes are interesting characters from the perspective of the emerging magical talent, with the latter being scholarly and concerned with his journey of wisdom as he plans to advance within the Scholarum and the latter being effectively a magic knight, keeping to the values of that class.

My favorite part was the implication of Riz'Neth and the Bulabar interacting, that would be hilarious.
 
Farewell, sweet civilization. Hello, Green Hell... ☠

It's too bad Baedar doesn't have a Junglerazer PoSK. It's kind of a situational spell, but when the situation is just right, the trees better watch the hell out.
My favorite part was the implication of Riz'Neth and the Bulabar interacting, that would be hilarious.
Bulabar: "Are you sure you don't want the spring-loaded anti-tampering upgrade? We've made great progress in reducing the number of misfires."

Riz'Neth: "Yes."

Bulabar: "And the integral grapnel and winch? Although it was intended as a means of improving the wielder's mobility in an urban environment, the grapnel has shown some promise as an effective weapon."

Riz'Neth: "No."

Bulabar: "What about the voice-activated..."

Three Hours Later

Riz'Neth: *burp*
 
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Why do we have a tag saying QM murderhobo? And Mutually Assured Mage's Dysjunction?
Okay, I love that last one, but it doesn't really seem to fit the quest so far.
 
Why do we have a tag saying QM murderhobo? And Mutually Assured Mage's Dysjunction?
Okay, I love that last one, but it doesn't really seem to fit the quest so far.
I don't know where the QM murderhobo tag came from, but I added the Mutually Assured Mage's Disjunction a while back on someone's recommendation. It sounded catchy.
 
A thought : I spend a lot of this quest voting for things that make sense IC but that I'd find utterly revolting IRL.
Remember that time when the state seized the wealth of a slaver family who all died when we invaded Tyrosh, but then recognized the existence of a living close relative the family had a duty to care for : an illegitimate baby? And we kept the wealth that ought to have been the baby's inheritance, gave the baby a paltry 700 IM for political reasons, and then gave 30 000 IM to build a fancy Red Priest church that very same update?
It made perfect political sense, of course. And I dislike large inheritances anyway IRL, and feel bad for feeling bad for that baby. But fuck it, giving 30 000 IM of government money to a religious organisation draws an even more negative emotional reaction from me, and I found myself thinking "holy fuck, even that baby had more right to that cash than those priests! The priests explicitly didn't even need the money, and some of that cash was probably part of the inheritance we just tacitly acknowledged should be used to support the child!"

We do this all the time, of course. Viserys spends money like water, even on luxury purchases and pure bling. And of course he does plan to do good things eventually (feeding and healing the poor will be done once we manage to develop the institutions for it, but it will be done, etc) and I don't want to demonise our entire cast, but it regularly hits me how utterly these characters fail to meet what I would consider basic standards of IRL morality. Sure in-setting buying cutlery more expensive than most palaces while your realm is still mostly as poor as the current IRL Third World is just good Diplomacy, but if this happened IRL I'd be revolted. Hell, I'm already revolted at the existence of the British monarchy's pointless luxury while children die of cold in the streets in a rich country, and our entire cast is objectively even worse!

Of course it all makes sense in setting and I'll continue to vote for it, but holy shit.
 
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A thought : I spend a lot of this quest voting for things that make sense IC but that I'd find utterly revolting IRL.
Remember that time when the state seized the wealth of a slaver family who all died when we invaded Tyrosh, but then recognized the existence of a living close relative the family had a duty to care for : an illegitimate baby? And we kept the wealth that ought to have been the baby's inheritance, gave the baby a paltry 700 IM for political reasons, and then gave 30 000 IM to build a fancy Red Priest church that very same update?
It made perfect political sense, of course. And I dislike large inheritances anyway IRL, and feel bad for feeling bad for that baby. But fuck it, giving 30 000 IM of government money to a religious organisation draws an even more negative emotional reaction from me, and I found myself thinking "holy fuck, even that baby had more right to that cash than those priests! The priests explicitly didn't even need the money, and some of that cash was probably part of the inheritance we just tacitly acknowledged should be used to support the child!"

We do this all the time, of course. Viserys spends money like water, even on luxury purchases and pure bling. And of course he does plan to do good things eventually (feeding and healing the poor will be done once we manage to develop the institutions for it, but it will be done, etc) and I don't want to demonise our entire cast, but it regularly hits me how utterly these characters fail to meet what I would consider basic standards of IRL morality.

Of course it all makes sense in setting and I'll continue to vote for it, but holy shit.
700 IM is a minor fortune, though, and that family's wealth was made off the slave trade or some equally atrocious enterprise. My conscience is clear.

/has a conscience

/really!
 
700 IM is a minor fortune, though, and that family's wealth was made off the slave trade or some equally atrocious enterprise. My conscience is clear.

/has a conscience

/really!
No worries, I'm aware that my current position is far too radical for the setting. Ending the pointless luxuries of the feudal nobility and focusing on raising our lands from feudal peasantry to comfortable and educated peasantry would be nice, but there's no way it would happen.
And hey, 700 IM is in fact a huge amount of wealth. IRL I'm one of those crazies who's against the very existence of large inheritances, so not giving the baby a ton of cash doesn't really seem that bad to me. It's the juxtaposition with the 30 000 IM bribe to the Red Priesthood that felt weird.
I generally try to recontextualise things when I'm hit by that kind of thought. That bribe was to get their God more friendly towards us, and he's a genuine military asset in our ongoing war. And hey, my "separate church and state" beliefs are rooted in atheism and dislike of corrupt and paedophiliac religious hiearchies, which is a genuinely stupid position to take in a setting where Gods explicitly exist and where the priesthood hasn't had institutional child-abuse scandals.
Well, no worse scandals than the entire rest of society. Holy shit, Essos, you're fucked up.

Similarly, Viserys' absurd personal wealth is either weapons regularly used in the ongoing war against Evil (where peace doesn't seem possible, etc), or it's a necessary diplomatic pursuit aiming to reduce casualties in the ongoing wars of conquest.
And those wars of conquest are justified by his Messiah complex and focus on minimizing innocent (and conscripted) victims, and are rather easily justifiable considering his military, political, economic and social policies which can only be carried out post-conquest...

Tying my brain in knots to keep voting for our boy the Dragon-Emperor. 8/10, would probably give absolute power to again.
And hey, he's still better than our current crop of IRL world leaders!
 
I treat religious organizations in this setting and any money spent on them as no more different than spending money as part of the efforts to schmooze with a political entity or state.

Modern acculturation aside, Viserys doesn't really have any moral imperative to change his spending policies to anything outside of "whatever I find prudent". Because it's his money. I think by the time he outlives an age where the concept of a "Treasury" more or less means "the money which can be spent by the State" compared to "my giant pile of cash", we will literally have godlike power, and there is nothing money could buy us that we couldn't just conjure. In fact it's a minor miracle the party hasn't lost all concept of currency or its value with how much they spend.

Any expense seems reasonable when in one deliberate action of a group of demigods, you can gain millions to bankroll an empire for a number of years.
 
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Part MMMCCLXX: A Venture on Fortune's Winds
A Venture on Fortune's Winds

Thirtieth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

The sight of soldiers, sailors and stranger folk bustling over the northern docks, the creak of wooden boxes being loaded, shouts of the bosun dispensing encouragement, advice and abuse with equal fervor, recalls a scene you had taken part of not so long ago. Two years perhaps, a little more than you had first left Braavos aboard the Wave Dancer to sail into unknown southern waters in search of your fortune. Of course, the middling trade galleon could not hold a candle to the Basilisk's Fang that towers over the other ships of her company, the flagship of a Myrish Merchant Venturer meant to dare perilous waters and far off shores and return with the prize.

When you had first heard of the expedition about a fortnight ago you had been surprised and more than a little weary of where it would all go. There was a considerable portion of Myr's wealth and some from other shores bound up in the venture of Baelon Dortaris and the jungles of Sothoryos had swallowed up more than their share of silver and gold over the ages. Yet, the more you see all around you the more confident you are that the venture has a decent chance of wringing out the fortune its backers hope for from those unforgiving lands.

"Glad to see not all of those are being glorified garden ornaments for some magister with more gold than sense," Dany says, motioning towards the deck of the flagship. There glints the motionless and watchful form of a glass golem leaning slightly forward onto its blade like arms, giving it an almost insectile appearance at odds with the idealized human forms the Glassmakers Guild prefers to endow their creations with, yet as impressive as the obvious arcane creation was that was not what engendered the most confidence. Glass shatters, magic comes undone, but the warriors boarding the ships of the expedition had the look of veterans forged in the cauldron of the Disputed Lands and perhaps further afield. The Legion took many, of course, but not everyone was looking for stead pay and a piece of land when they mustered out.

Some were still on the lookout for that one big job that would catapult them to wealth and glory both, the prudent putting their coin towards buying a simple enchanted weapon of the sort the ritualists of Sorcerer's Deep could craft for a merely high price as opposed to ruinous, while others put their trust in weight of hardened steel, two-handed swords and war axes heavy enough to chop through a bar of iron. And if that is not strength enough, well you happen to know of a company of Inquisition soldiers who have also taken ship yesterday. Though they are less concerned with profits and more with ensuring no ruins are disturbed carelessly to the ruin of all, you're sure the expedition's backers doubtlessly appreciate the help.

Of course, not every weapon was of steel either. You spot the robes of a Scholarum sorcerer among the group gathered by the quayside, out of the way of the worst of the bustle. Besides you Dany murmurs a spell of second sight, curious to see the group for more than what they show to the morning light. "There's another mage..."

"Yes, Investigator Baedar technically hired on, that must have been an unexpected offer," you chuckle a bit at the thought of Baelon and his fellow magisters' reaction to the offer.

"No, I mean the older fellow on the left there with the spell-steel blade, there's a tang of old magic to him from before the Awakening and its not just the blade, though he may have been picking up new tricks in Myr since," your sister replies.

Interesting... men like the last of the Windward Society were not common in the old days by any stretch of the imagination, but they were not unique either and people who actually lived long enough to be successful at it now were all the more valued for their experience in this age of reawakened magic. Baelon Dortaris was either quite skilled, lucky or both to have been able to acquire the aid. His luck was about to get a lot better with you placing your hand on the scales.

What aid do you give the expedition?

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OOC: I re-read the omake series to make sure I got things right before witting this, but there is one thing I'm not certain of. @Crake is Investigator Tobyis coming along with Baedar and if so is he bringing Lilly? That would have been an interesting meeting here but I was not sure if she would actually be here.
 
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OOC: I re-read the omake series to make sure I got things right before writting this but there is one thing I'm not certain of @Crake is Investigator Tobyis coming along with Baedar and if so is he bringing Lilly? That would have been an interesting meeting here but I was not sure if she would actually be here.
Lilly is staying with a friend while he's gone (shop owner who is an Inquisition asset) since they're nowhere near ready for anything more arduous than climbing the stairs in the Shadow Tower on a student tour.

The implicit intent there being that if he dies, someone will know where to go to find her. And yes he's accompanying Baedar.
 
Lilly is staying with a friend while he's gone (shop owner who is an Inquisition asset) since they're nowhere near ready for anything more arduous than climbing the stairs in the Shadow Tower on a student tour.

The implicit intent there being that if he dies, someone will know where to go to find her. And yes he's accompanying Baedar.

OK, thanks, so she could be there to seem him off. I think I'll have her present in the next update.
 
I treat religious organizations in this setting and any money spent on them as no more different than spending money as part of the efforts to schmooze with a political entity or state.

Modern acculturation aside, Viserys doesn't really have any moral imperative to change his spending policies to anything outside of "whatever I find prudent". Because it's his money. I think by the time he outlives an age where the concept of a "Treasury" more or less means "the money which can be spent by the State" compared to "my giant pile of cash", we will literally have godlike power, and there is nothing money could buy us that we couldn't just conjure. In fact it's a minor miracle the party hasn't lost all concept of currency or its value with how much they spend.

Any expense seems reasonable when in one deliberate action of a group of demigods, you can gain millions to bankroll an empire for a number of years.
True. I find it reassuring to consider that we aren't really wasting tax money. I mean, yeah, it would be objectively better to spend our massive personal wealth that we don't really need on helping others, but if we are spending money on luxuries it's better if it isn't wealth taken from the toil of the peasantry.
And of course it's hard to argue that Viserys' huge wealth comes only from an economic system that steals from the workers when AFAIK most of it comes from personally going off-plane and murdering things with his own too hands. Sure you can argue that Bezos doesn't deserve his salary and that he's accumulating money taken from his millions of underlings, but it's harder to say that about a Dragon who takes his adamantine from Efreet warships after freeing their slaves.
We need to do more small-sclae looting (it doesn't count when we get Zherys and all involved, then it feels more like an Imperial military operation), it feels morally good. @Duesal, save my conscience and make Viserys get more loot! I know it must be hard for you to focus on that so much, but you'll be doing good for the community by making sure we grab more adamantine :D

AFAIK our trading businesses could theoretically be argued to be immoral under IRL norms (government and military used to prop up a private business, etc) but we seem to spend most of our income from that on government things and not on growing our personal hoard. The benefits of not having any separation between the State treasury and the Emperor's private wallet! The money the Emperor's businesses make goes straight into the military and social budgets!
 
True. I find it reassuring to consider that we aren't really wasting tax money. I mean, yeah, it would be objectively better to spend our massive personal wealth that we don't really need on helping others, but if we are spending money on luxuries it's better if it isn't wealth taken from the toil of the peasantry.
And of course it's hard to argue that Viserys' huge wealth comes only from an economic system that steals from the workers when AFAIK most of it comes from personally going off-plane and murdering things with his own too hands. Sure you can argue that Bezos doesn't deserve his salary and that he's accumulating money taken from his millions of underlings, but it's harder to say that about a Dragon who takes his adamantine from Efreet warships after freeing their slaves.
We need to do more small-sclae looting (it doesn't count when we get Zherys and all involved, then it feels more like an Imperial military operation), it feels morally good. @Duesal, save my conscience and make Viserys get more loot! I know it must be hard for you to focus on that so much, but you'll be doing good for the community by making sure we grab more adamantine :D

AFAIK our trading businesses could theoretically be argued to be immoral under IRL norms (government and military used to prop up a private business, etc) but we seem to spend most of our income from that on government things and not on growing our personal hoard. The benefits of not having any separation between the State treasury and the Emperor's private wallet! The money the Emperor's businesses make goes straight into the military and social budgets!
It takes less money to create institutionalized social support structures than it does to create our magitech military industrial complex. Magic makes such things cheap, hilariously enough.
 
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@Crake, my recommendation would be a trio of Verdant Wolves and half a dozen Lesser False Ravens to serve as scouts and/or Messengers. And the services of an Engineering Corps work crew with a set of Titan's Tools and a Lyre of Building for a day or two once the expedition leaders decide on a permanent base. That should be plenty of time to clear the land for construction, pave it, wall if off, and place some basic unfinished buildings and an easily defended fortress, with maybe enough time to cut a good solid road to the coast so the expedition will have easy access to their ships.
 
It takes less money to create institutionalized social support structures than it does to create our magitech military industrial complex. Magic makes such things cheap, hilariously enough.
Hey, I didn't criticise the magitech military! There doesn't seem to be an alternative to war, so we may as well win it :D

EDIT : I criticised the adamantine cutlery and luxurious standard of living considered normal by the setting's elites while the poor die of cold in Winter. But changing that would be OOC... So let's work on making things better for the poor. Decreasing the gap between rich and poor can go both ways, but theoretically it's better to make a strong effort to raise the standards of poverty than to merely make the rich poorer.
 
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@Goldfish, I liked the idea of offering our services to drop a SoTD to clear out an area for a camp. We could Teleport in, nuke, Control Winds to clear the area, and then let them settle down and build there.
 
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