Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
"This Tall-Winged-Bird-Lion has point."
Integration of the Diamond Dogs.
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- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
I agree to disagree, then, I respect your opinions. Yay, civil discussion.
Markala
Hannor & Polycho Shipper
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- At the Junction of Angst and Fluff
I am neither assuming nor intimating about any possible personal reasons as to why other players are voting one particular way or the other, as that is their business and information of which I am not entitled to. All I said boils down to, 'Gawain's diplo is so Good that we actually don't need to put him there and should prolly round him out in another department here's also why based on the quest so far'? Peeps have been giving their reasoning for voting diplo, other peeps give their reasoning for learning (including me), it's the typical and mutually respectful back and forth presentation of ideas and reasonings that this whole quest has had for ages and has always been great gobs of fun (there is a tag that is literally, "discussion and votes keep the quest going"), and I don't think I was a jerk about it either so why are you bothering me specifically over it? Can we not do, whatever this is, please? Thanks.
Cease and desist @Gaius Tyrannus, we can only take so much cuteness at once! ~~~
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- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Never. The cuteness must grow. HUGS!!I am neither assuming nor intimating about any possible personal reasons as to why other players are voting one particular way or the other, as that is their business and the information of which I am not entitled. All I said boils down to, 'Gawain's diplo is so Good that we actually don't need to put him there and should prolly round him out in another department here's also why based on the quest so far'? Peeps have been giving their reasoning for voting diplo, other peeps give their reasoning for learning (including me), it's the typical and mutually respectful back and forth presentation of ideas and reasonings that this whole quest has had for ages and has always been great gobs of fun (there is a tag that is literally, "discussion and votes keep the quest going"), and I don't think I was a jerk about it either so why are you bothering me over it? Can we not do, whatever this is, please? Thanks.
Cease and desist @Gaius Tyrannus, we can only take so much cuteness at once! ~~~
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Key word: geopolitical.
Integration of the Diamond Dogs.
Edit: Also, why the face? I didn't exactly say some kind of lie, nor did I say anything incredibly odd. I simply stated a fact - intrigue has been extremely vital to both our diplomatic and martial adventures throughout the entirety of this quest, and therefore does not deserve to be treated as a "minor" stat.
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- Germany
I am pretty sure that us integrating the DD packs of Greater Gryphus into our budding nation will have international effects, given that there is a whole island nation full of unaffiliated Dogs out there that might react one way or another to our packs.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
The DD were not a polity. They were no more than domestic issues no better than bandits at the time of integration, nor does pointing out "integration of Diamond Dogs" actually do anything against my point so I see no reason why he brought it up in the first place. Like, "will this have international effects" is a really stupid measurement to use when you are playing a state, because literally any action will have international effects. I was very clearly referring to actions between states, as that is the most common usage of geopolitical within the given context. Don't be fallacious man.
Frankly, you are making a great generalization: no one action type can be attributed for our successes.
Stewardship gives us the economy to make actions and keeps us internally stable. Martial actions keep us safe directly. Learning actions increase our toolkbox. Personal actions are all over the place. Diplomacy actions give us allies and helps us set up friendly ties and treaties. Intrigue is for confusing and sabotaging the enemy, intel gathering and such.
No single factor allowed us to gain our geopolitical victories.
Without good martial, our sabotage wouldn't been enough to deal with Sombra.
Without good diplomacy, we wouldn't have gained such steadfast allies and friends like the Quilin and the yaks. Our diplo crit basically erased Libertalia as a issue in the short term and allowing us a foot in to peacefully deal with them in the long run.
In fact with Libertalia, it was our diplo crit that truly opened up the way there: intrigue came secondary.
Without stewardship, we couldn't support the other actions. You could even suggest that stewardship, supplying us with the resources to do all other actions, is the true source of our victories since they set everything else up.
It's too easy to say "this type of action is the core of all of our victories", but...
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
That was not the point I was making! Did you even bother to look at what I was quoting? Did you even bother to keep up with what the conversations in this thread have been past the last 5 posts?
For that matter, you guys just watching as bystanders aren't all that great either. You could be piping in as well instead of just posting votes and then lurking all the time. This isn't a PM. Say something.
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What do you call this, then?
I did actually say a lot and argued my points during the last vote.
Maybe you should bother to keep up with what the other person has been doing, too.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Look at what I quoted!
Look at what I said in this last post!
My whole freaking point has been emphasizing the fact that unlike Learning and Piety, Intrigue is not a minor avenue for our ruler like Pittauro said.
That wasn't aimed at you though? That's aimed at the same people constantly in the "viewing the thread" that only post votes and rarely actually participate in conversations. I find lurkers personally to be quite annoying since they are really hard to actually engage their thoughts, and therefore see what they wish to get from the quest or how to persuade them likewise to differing points of views.
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- Germany
For the last 2 or so turns I have been an active participants in planning discussions, pal. So I think I have at least some reason to "pipe in" every now and then if I think I can make prudent observations.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Once again, not aimed at you either. I LIKE when people pipe in. I don't know why you took that as me saying that I don't want people to pipe in.
You wordings suggest otherwise, pal. Irrelevant on what you were answering to, the way you said it went for "this action type have been critical for all of our major geopolitical gains"
I simply pointed out that this could be said of Stewardship, or how in all cases it was the myriad of action types combined that truly led to our successes. Or how with Libertalia it was the diplo crit that truly started our successes with them, not intrigue.
Then you suddenly started to say this wasn't at all what we were talking about.
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- Italy
I don't think of intrigue as a "minor" stat myself. I just think it's not, narratively speaking, that important for the leader himself to have.
Most intrigue actions need to be deniable, meaning that it's often better for someone else to be the intrigue specialist, even more that for any of the others stats.
Of course we don't want a stat too low, as that could make us gullible, and more is ALWAYS better, but I,'m fine with the current score, which is STILL higher than Garrick's anyway.
Just to be clear, I believe intrigue (and learning) is not as important FOR THE RULER HIMSELF to have as one of the highest stats (as long as he has a decent score, which we have, and we have a competent spymaster). Same for Learning.
I'dbusually add Martial, but the fact is that gryphons are going to respect more a leader who's also a competent warrior, so in this specific case I consider martial more important.
Diplomacy and stewardship are, in my opinion, the stats that reflect the most in the level of appreciation the people have for their leader (and also martial for the gryph in particolar), while in learning and intrigue we mostly need enough to understand what our advisors tell us (and even there more is obviously better. It's just a question of priorities)
EDIT: Gawain DOESN'T HAVE DUMP STATS, so I feel free to choose something in which he can be an uber-specialist
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- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Take a breath. Calm, no need to argue.
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- Italy
Or let's continue to argue, but let's be nice about it. That works too!
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- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Probably yes. Seems like a good idea. Ravensburg will probably accidentally take control of the school and install a random pony who will uncover a changling conspiracy and thus free Maretonia from their control, and thus gain us another state/vassal from gratitude.
Complete serious.
On a more serious note, that is odd. Though it probably can't get more on fire out there. Yes I am tempting Murphy why do you ask?
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
[X] Martial: Gawain shall be given a commission and a position of authority within the military. Exactly what role he will play is as of yet uncertain, but your military command could always use another effective leader to carry out operations, both logistical and combative in nature.
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- Germany
What´s the tally currently, guys? (Too dumb to do one myself, unfortunately)
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
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- Romania
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[X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?
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