Le sigh
Why do people look at only stats?
Why do people look at only stats?
Who Needs Harmony?: An MLP Empire Quest
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[X] Diplomacy
- Location
- Italia
[X] Diplomacy
Crazy7s1
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[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
18 Diplomacy
17 Learning
17 Learning
Kanata.EXE
Programmer
- Location
- Indonesia
[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
- Location
- At my computer
[X] Diplomacy
- Location
- Germany
Because we are partaking in a quest that´s partly decided by stats and therefore some seek to minmax profit while somewhat disregarding flavour.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
and the other half is decided by the narrative. For instance, it doesn't matter how high Gawain's martial stat was. If the vote hadn't been to get him involved in strategy games, he likely would not have spoken up during the meeting like he did because he wouldn't have the same mindset to war.
Heck, I'd daresay more than half of it is decided by the narrative. Most options we have with dice interaction only appear as a result of the narrative we as the players have built for ourselves, not because of how high or low various stats are.
Also, what profit? What is the point of "winning" in a quest if the only thing you are ever looking as it to maintain high numbers? A large portion of the fun of a quest is the story and journey, not number stacking. Quests are interactive stories with gaming elements. That is literally why this is a quest and not some kind of Capitalism Simulator videogame (unless you are playing Numbers Quest, in which case ironically the people there did everything in their power to not raise their number
).Sounds like a Grade A suicide attempt. The Crystal Heart is a semi-sapient, selective area of effect weapon and shield barrier: if it didn't have a way to defend itself against mundane saboteurs I would be very surprised indeed.
- Location
- Germany
and the other half is decided by the narrative. For instance, it doesn't matter how high Gawain's martial stat was. If the vote hadn't been to get him involved in strategy games, he likely would not have spoken up during the meeting like he did because he wouldn't have the same mindset to war.
Heck, I'd daresay more than half of it is decided by the narrative. Most options we have with dice interaction only appear as a result of the narrative we as the players have built for ourselves, not because of how high or low various stats are.
Also, what profit? What is the point of "winning" in a quest if the only thing you are ever looking as it to maintain high numbers? A large portion of the fun of a quest is the story and journey, not number stacking. Quests are interactive stories with gaming elements. That is literally why this is a quest and not some kind of Capitalism Simulator videogame (unless you are playing Numbers Quest, in which case ironically the people there did everything in their power to not raise their number
I am totally with you, but unfortunately numbers are simply more easily quantifiable than narrative flavourings, to say nothing of todays society being very profit-driven from the start.
[X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?
- Location
- Germany
20-18 in favor of Diplomacy, guys and gals and enbie pals
Markala
Hannor & Polycho Shipper
- Location
- At the Junction of Angst and Fluff
Ya'll, I reiterate, 19 in Diplomacy is a nearly 20% bonus to a bunch of actions that have clearly hardly Ever if ever dipped below the 60-70% minimum roll success mark, that we have never struggled with winning several rolls by the skin of our teeth with (coughLearning-and-Intrigue-but-more-consistently-LearningstruggleCOUGH). We. DO. NOT. NEED. More Diplo stat on Gawain.
What we Need is to shore at least 1 of his 2 glaringly Awful Weaknesses, Learning or Intrigue, but in the case of the vote rn(for the sake of expedience atm), Learning.
TLDR, please vote Learning, don't let our son stay dumber than us lol.
What we Need is to shore at least 1 of his 2 glaringly Awful Weaknesses, Learning or Intrigue, but in the case of the vote rn(for the sake of expedience atm), Learning.
TLDR, please vote Learning, don't let our son stay dumber than us lol.
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Let them have their fantasy, escapism is escapism for reason, and with todays world i dont blame them, Some prefer to face world, some prefer escape, but those who prefer to escape were once fighters as well, everyone has different willpower a different scale of strenght they can give until they can no more. so lay off.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
[X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?
- Location
- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Diplomacy is all well and good, but, considering the following:
A: Gawain is going to inherit a stable, thriving empire with positive relations with almost all of our neighbors, and has no real threat of civil war.
B: What threats there is, is a raiding force that is divided and squabbling (the Jarldoms), a slaver Empire that currently in the midst of a mass civil war(Maretonia), and a changling threat that we can do nothing about at this time.
C: Gawain, narratively, might want to round out his abilities to be the equal of his parents who, may I add, have forged a legacy that is quite staggering to be overshadowed by.
If we are going by Stats, then it only makes sense to get our future ruler as rounded and proficient as possible, rather that excelling at one aspect, and lacking in one other.
Edit: also, consider the fact that Gawain will not be alone in this endeavor. His advisors and wife and children of his own when he has them will be helping him along the way. Unlike us, he won't have to only rely on himself.
A: Gawain is going to inherit a stable, thriving empire with positive relations with almost all of our neighbors, and has no real threat of civil war.
B: What threats there is, is a raiding force that is divided and squabbling (the Jarldoms), a slaver Empire that currently in the midst of a mass civil war(Maretonia), and a changling threat that we can do nothing about at this time.
C: Gawain, narratively, might want to round out his abilities to be the equal of his parents who, may I add, have forged a legacy that is quite staggering to be overshadowed by.
If we are going by Stats, then it only makes sense to get our future ruler as rounded and proficient as possible, rather that excelling at one aspect, and lacking in one other.
Edit: also, consider the fact that Gawain will not be alone in this endeavor. His advisors and wife and children of his own when he has them will be helping him along the way. Unlike us, he won't have to only rely on himself.
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Markala
Hannor & Polycho Shipper
- Location
- At the Junction of Angst and Fluff
...I'm just shilling my reasoning of the thing that we're all voting about like others have done already for Diplo?? This is typically how the versus convos of the Plans in this quest goes.
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And im pointing out that this is My Little Pony and quests are escapism, so them going for diplomacy while not exactly good choice is very understandable, If they want to say fuck this far right world using escapism medium, let them.
- Location
- Hell, or at least the closest place to it
Can... can we not bring irl political opinions in to this and paint the actions of others in that light? I understand that you may feel this way, view it this way, and understand it this way but others may not, so please refrain from doing so.
Edit: Caaaaan you feel the Huuuugs tonight~~
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- Location
- Germany
[X] Martial: Gawain shall be given a commission and a position of authority within the military. Exactly what role he will play is as of yet uncertain, but your military command could always use another effective leader to carry out operations, both logistical and combative in nature.
- Location
- Italy
You do realize we still have to make contact with AT LEAST 2 unknown polities AND 2 known ones, right? We have NO CONTACT with more than half of the relatively close countries.
Diplomacy will probably also be necessary to deal with the post-civil-war Maretonia.
We don't yet have positive relations with almost all our neighbors.
Or he might want to surpass his father in at least one thing, so that he can actually gain a reputation as something more than "more of the same".
Just to be clear, your interpretation is valid. it's just not the only one possible, narratively speaking.
Well, we did have pretty good advisors so we weren't never really alone, but I get your point.
About the "being rounded", Gawain doesn't really have any weakness. He simply has two stats (Learning and Intrigue) that are not quite up to the other ones standards.
Now, raising them to round everything up is certainly a possible option, but giving him one specialization above all others is one too, especially when even his weaker stat (intrigue) is still a respectable 12.
Also, while I LOVE learning options, I really believe that the most important stats for a ruler are diplomacy and stewardship. Martial is nice too, especially in a society like this one.
To me learning and intrigue are actually the least important, especially Learning. A good leader should know enough to understand the importance of tech and education, and to listen to his betters in their fields (like Archimedes).
(Yes, I know the "listen to his betters" can really be applied to every category. I just think it's even more relevant in the learning field)
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
...You do realize every single major geopolitical accomplishment of Garrick's reign can be traced back to success in intrigue right?