Also on a completely and utterly unrelated note, imagine if we adopted ONE MORE kid (pls be a Diamond Puppy, COMPLETE. THE. SET.
Well, we do have a pony( and even a dragon) representative in the royal family, we do actually need royal Diamond Dogs too. Gawain or one f his sisters could do it too, at some point. While we'll always be truly ruled by gryphons, having an inclusive royal family would be amazing for moral and prestige by sending a true message of unity. Be nice to get a hypogriff kid too for that matter.
I also forsee Pearl eventually ruling the Crystal Protectorate under her brother.
 
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Well, we do have a pony( and even a dragon) representative in the royal family, we do actually need royal Diamond Dogs too. Gawain or one f his sisters could do it too, at some point. While we'll always be truly ruled by gryphons, having an inclusive royal family would be amazing for moral and prestige by sending a true message of unity. Be nice to get a hypogriff kid too for that matter.
I also forsee Pearl eventually ruling the Crystal Protectorate under her brother.

If anything, I feel like we're more likely to have Hippogriff grandkids than anything, and I am down for a lil' Diamond Puppy Kiddo with a gaggle of Elder Sibs to learn and have fun with. I'd imagine that we'd (or in that case, Garrick'd, since we wouldn't be playing as him anymore after he retires WITHOUT DYING PLS) have more family time and such, and that would be lovely. <333

Also wouldn't it be just a thumbing our noses (beaks?) at typical tropes like where the Emperor/Ruler dies dramatically and their untimely death is a huge upheaval to the state. I hope Garrick would go peacefully, surrounded by family and friends, knowledge that the torch has long been passed to capable hands, job well done. That's my wish for this character.
 
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If anything, I feel like we're more likely to have Hippogriff grandkids than anything, and I am down for a lil' Diamond Puppy Kiddo with a gaggle of Elder Sibs to learn and have fun with. I'd imagine that we'd (or in that case, Garrick'd, since we wouldn't be playing as him anymore after he retires WITHOUT DYING PLS) have more family time and such, and that would be lovely. <333
How would that work actually do we take over whoever is on the throne or do we play as Garrick until he dies. Don't think that was ever stated anywhere.
 
[X] Stewardship: While he does not have the business instinct borne of years of experience that you do, Gawain still has a head for sums and an eye for opportunity. Besides, the whole point of this exercise is to give him a chance to learn and grow.
 
How would that work actually do we take over whoever is on the throne or do we play as Garrick until he dies. Don't think that was ever stated anywhere.

I mean assuming we pass the Throne to Gawain non-deathly, we'll probably play as Gawain then? But I just meant like, as rp/in-universe things, off-mentions and such mentions of what Garrick & co are doing because Gawain is still gonna be in contact with his family lol, even if sonny is Very Busy Now. I mean the way things are going Gawain is gonna rule after us afaik?

Anyways, I could totally imagine adopting our Diamond Puppy son/daughter/mx the same way we got Pearl; either that or one of our current kids (who haven't hit 18 yet btw) brings home an orphan pup and suddenly there just... Is Another Somebody at Family Dinners now.
 
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I want to say this in favour of diplomacy:

This is not ONLY about getting a third option (we could use a third option pretty much anywhere anyway) but also about HOW we want Gawain to make a name for himself.

There are MULTIPLE new polities we have to start diplomatic contact with, and many we already know and need to develop our relationship with.

Wouldn't establishing friendly contact with one or more new people/countries be an amazing way for Gawain to start developing his own reputation?

We're already contacting the minotaurs this turn, but there are still the diamond island's dogs, the caribous, whoever lives west of the yaks and south of Maretonia...

He's also friend with the Qilin ambassador's daughter, which makes him perfect for Neighpon-related diplomatic actions.

I want to give him a job he can excel at, so that he can start building a reputation and gain more self-confidence, and for that the best choices are Martial or diplomacy,with diplomacy being the one he can prove himself sooner.
Adhoc vote count started by Pittauro on Dec 24, 2019 at 4:50 PM, finished with 93 posts and 29 votes.

  • [X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?
    [X]Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
    [X] Piety: They say that suffering builds character, and you can't think of a more character-building activity for your son than placing him at the head of the Council of Faiths. In all seriousness though, with the growing prominence and importance of religion in the Empire, having your son in a place to learn about and influence the numerous faiths in Gryphus may be a wise decision.
    [X] Intrigue: When you began your rule, you had no idea just how important your spies and intelligence agents would become to the security and functioning of your domain. If Gawain is to one day become an effective ruler, he must have first-hand experience with the Empire's...less obvious means of influencing events.
    [X] Martial: Gawain shall be given a commission and a position of authority within the military. Exactly what role he will play is as of yet uncertain, but your military command could always use another effective leader to carry out operations, both logistical and combative in nature.
    [X] Stewardship: While he does not have the business instinct borne of years of experience that you do, Gawain still has a head for sums and an eye for opportunity. Besides, the whole point of this exercise is to give him a chance to learn and grow.
 
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I want to say this in favour of diplomacy:

This is not ONLY about getting a third option (we could use a third option pretty much anywhere anyway) but also about HOW we want Gawain to make a name for himself.

There are MULTIPLE new polities we have to start diplomatic contact with, and many we already know and need to develop our relationship with.

Wouldn't establishing friendly contact with one or more new people/countries be an amazing way for Gawain to start developing his own reputation?

We're already contacting the minotaurs this turn, but there are still the diamond island's dogs, the caribous, whoever lives west of the yaks and south of Maretonia...

He's also friend with the Qilin ambassador's daughter, which makes him perfect for Neighpon-related diplomatic actions.

I want to give him a job he can excel at, so that he can start building a reputation and gain more self-confidence, and for that the best choices are Martial or diplomacy,with diplomacy being the one he can prove himself sooner.

Well, I for one would be totally up to changing my vote, if it has any actual chances at winning.
 
[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.

Might as well make sure that our allies continue to help us once Garrick steps down for Gawain takes over.
 
[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.

I have been convinced...changing my vote

I mean, Gawain *is* a genuinely promising diplomat...plus my vote technically counts twice
 
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[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
 
[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.

I'm still good with learning, but this looks more appealing to me now.
 
[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
 
[X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?

[X] Intrigue: When you began your rule, you had no idea just how important your spies and intelligence agents would become to the security and functioning of your domain. If Gawain is to one day become an effective ruler, he must have first-hand experience with the Empire's...less obvious means of influencing events
 
Ya'll, if you're going to defect, maybe at least defect to Gawain's other worst stat (Intrigue)? Like, Diplomacy is great, but atm we have an ever-expanding list of Learning and/or Intrigue options (Learning MORE than Intrigue, but I'll take what I can get) out-spiraling our measly 2 Action Slots. Extra Learning slot will benefit us in the sense of growing out tech base as fast as possible, which will open avenues to grow our income so we can Do More Stuff Earlier as well as max out our efficiency with what we have atm to stay on top of things. Gawain's Diplomacy stat is so good that beefing it out more just... Isn't as gainworthy as shoring up his weaknesses would be as far as I can tell.

I dearly wish we could pick 2, even if it might end up turning our kiddo into Garrick the Workaholic 2.0 Gawain Edition (lol).
 
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[X] Diplomacy: As his friendship with Ki Seong has shown, Gawain has no difficulty bridging cultural divides and forging connections with individuals of differing backgrounds; valuable skills for a head of state and diplomat alike. Gisa could always use another helping talon managing the growing number of foreign delegations and embassies she has been placed in charge of. Gawain should fit right in.
 
[X] Diplomacy


Gawain's Diplomacy stat is so good that beefing it out more just... Isn't as gainworthy as shoring up his weaknesses
Gawain is trying to prove himself, shoving him into a department where his skills are worst just for the sake of stat min-maxing doesn't appeal to me.

And since we do have a constant need for more diplomacy actions, which happens to be an area where he could truly step out of our shadow, that seems like the obvious choice for me.

In particular, how would Gawain make a name for himself in Intrigue, when half of the job is for your deeds to not become public?
 
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Current vote is Diplomacy 13, Learning 14.
If anyone else flips diplomacy will take the lead.
 
Ya'll, if you're going to defect, maybe at least defect to Gawain's other worst stat (Intrigue)? Like, Diplomacy is great, but atm we have an ever-expanding list of Learning and/or Intrigue options (Learning MORE than Intrigue, but I'll take what I can get) out-spiraling our measly 2 Action Slots. Extra Learning slot will benefit us in the sense of growing out tech base as fast as possible, which will open avenues to grow our income so we can Do More Stuff Earlier as well as max out our efficiency with what we have atm to stay on top of things. Gawain's Diplomacy stat is so good that beefing it out more just... Isn't as gainworthy as shoring up his weaknesses would be as far as I can tell.

I dearly wish we could pick 2, even if it might end up turning our kiddo into Garrick the Workaholic 2.0 Gawain Edition (lol).
We have an ever expanding list in ALL categories, and diplomacy can raise our income as well through more trading with more partners.

Right now I'm choosing what i think would make more of an impression on the people AND what I think Gawain would be best at (and happier at)

INTRIGUE: we can't make most of the action done here known, which means it doesn't help much to improve Gawain's rep.

LEARNING: suboptimal. He's not an inventor. He's a prince. There are people better suited to this role than him I think. He's smart, but I can't really see him as a researcher.

STEWARDSHIP: possibly, but not his strong point. He COULD work on some important project, like, for example, the expansion of the cities, but I don't think that's the kind of recognition he needs. It lacks a certain oomph.

MARTIAL: HERE Gawain could really shine, especially if we end up going to war against Maretonia. The problem for me is that, unless war happens, his talent might end up not being recognized. And of course we want to AVOID war if possible.
After all Hardbeak became famous only AFTER the wars, no matter how skilled he was before them.

I'm still tempted by Martial though. This is the ONE field where he can prove himself as COMPLETELY superior to his father (19 Vs 14), and even slightly better than his mother (18)

DIPLOMACY: we're surrounded by other polities, with more STILL BEING DISCOVERED EVERY TURN.

We have established relationship with ONLY about half of them.

He's already familiar with the culture of Neighpon, our best ally.

He can really make a name for himself by finding us another ally like Neighpon, or by learning and introducing something useful from a different culture, or even by trying to introduce more races to our empire (immigration action). He could even get us access to the prophecies of one of our neighbors

And, (and this is important too) I think this is the job he'd enjoy the most, and a really important one too.
 
[X] Diplomacy

I'm taking this option for two reasons.
1: I believe fluff matters more than stats, so we should put our heir to a spot where he would actually prove himself for leading/statecraft.
2: Martial is too dangerous and lacks votes to boot. We do not want our best heir to die in battle.
 
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1: I believe fluff matters more than stats, so we should put our heir to a spot where he would actually prove himself for leading/statecraft.
2: Martial is too dangerous and lacks votes to boot. We do not want our best heir to die in battle.

Not dying in battle is great, so I defo agree with you about the Martial posting being too dangerous.

But also, yanno what's also great? Gawain not dying via assassination or unhappy travel accident, which could possibly happen if we stick him in the Diplo Department and if he ever gets taken onto a delegation (will he get taken w/ a Delegation?).

At least in a Lab/University or overseeing Spy Reports (bc like hell we're gonna let him go to Field in that department) he stays near home. Also I just want our son to be Smarter than Us, is that too much to ask (lol)?
 
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Not dying in battle is great, so I defo agree with you about the Martial posting being too dangerous.

But also, yanno what's also great? Gawain not dying via assassination or unhappy travel accident, which could possibly happen if we stick him in the Diplo Department and if he ever gets taken onto a delegation (will he get taken w/ a Delegation?).

At least in a Lab/University or overseeing Spy Reports (bc like hell we're gonna let him go to Field in that department) he stays near home. Also I just want our son to be Smarter than Us, is that too much to ask (lol)?
Yet, Learning actions are not something an Emperor should be doing personally, except as a hobby.
Nor would intrigue focused backstabbery be very elevating for our heirs mind, likely.
 
[X] Learning: As a former student of Archimedes, Gawain already possesses all the necessary attributes of a scholar and researcher. What better place to have him work than alongside his former mentor in the act of benefiting the Empire's knowledge base?
 
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